Even though I found the tracks amazing it did feel going criminal to me. Such things are not distributed openly... so I'm wondering about the source of the leak.
It's not about stealing money from the group, but more of a moral issue. I don't think anyone would love to have their raw material distributed in any way.
I have downloaded the tracks and I am going to keep them but I'm not spreading the thing further... that's for sure
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]In the end, we have something that shouldn't be here or anywhere, but in the band's hands.[/QUOTE]
The same could be said for the demos that have been shared on here, and that are readily available on youtube.
The same could be said for the demos that have been shared on here, and that are readily available on youtube.
Much as I love these multitracks I think if I was Brian, Roger or John I would feel like I was being arse raped.
I'm not guilty at all. I made multitracks of mine available once. There was one band that released a song or two of theirs as GARAGEBAND files for Christ's sake.
Trust me, if anyone from QP is watching this, my official opinion is 'oh that's terrible, delete all the links at once'.
But really, this is only a recording that's been gathering dust for 30+ years. Queen aren't doing anything with it anymore, and it'll be a cold day in hell before they start selling us anything this interesting. I for one am more than glad (and grateful) that this leaked.
Trust me, if anyone from QP is watching this, my official opinion is 'oh that's terrible, delete all the links at once'.
But really, this is only a recording that's been gathering dust for 30+ years. Queen aren't doing anything with it anymore, and it'll be a cold day in hell before they start selling us anything this interesting. I for one am more than glad (and grateful) that this leaked.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
But really, this is only a recording that's been gathering dust for 30+ years. Queen aren't doing anything with it anymore, and it'll be a cold day in hell before they start selling us anything this interesting. I for one am more than glad (and grateful) that this leaked.[/QUOTE]
The well-known retard (who generally doesn't strike me as retarded at all) has a good point here. The argument that, I'm sure, will be made eventually is the "this is not the finished product--this is not what we wanted you to hear" line. While I honestly doubt that Freddie would have wanted the multitracks out there for all to hear--judging by his fiercely private nature--I don't see the harm in it either. If nothing else, the multitracks are an absolutely fascinating glimpse into the genesis of two incredible songs, and they've only deepened my appreciation for the two works.
Now, the argument I *wish* QPL would make (and then follow through on) is "You can't share those multitracks, because later this year, we'll begin re-releasing all the original Queen studio albums in individual boxed sets with the multitracks on a separate CD."
Ah, one can dream...
But really, this is only a recording that's been gathering dust for 30+ years. Queen aren't doing anything with it anymore, and it'll be a cold day in hell before they start selling us anything this interesting. I for one am more than glad (and grateful) that this leaked.[/QUOTE]
The well-known retard (who generally doesn't strike me as retarded at all) has a good point here. The argument that, I'm sure, will be made eventually is the "this is not the finished product--this is not what we wanted you to hear" line. While I honestly doubt that Freddie would have wanted the multitracks out there for all to hear--judging by his fiercely private nature--I don't see the harm in it either. If nothing else, the multitracks are an absolutely fascinating glimpse into the genesis of two incredible songs, and they've only deepened my appreciation for the two works.
Now, the argument I *wish* QPL would make (and then follow through on) is "You can't share those multitracks, because later this year, we'll begin re-releasing all the original Queen studio albums in individual boxed sets with the multitracks on a separate CD."
Ah, one can dream...
Honestly in this case I'd tell Brian to go get bent somewhere.
It's not harming the band's profits at ALL unless you feel like diddling over copyright (and what victory is that, really? once it's out, it's out, it'll just be that much harder for people to find it).
Furthermore, these tracks are HISTORICAL RECORD and if the band can't be arsed to put them out, that's not our problem. I'm sure my argument is leaking all over with legal and moral holes but I honestly don't see why it MATTERS.
Besides, nobody but music nerds is going to really care about this stuff anyway, right? :D
It's not harming the band's profits at ALL unless you feel like diddling over copyright (and what victory is that, really? once it's out, it's out, it'll just be that much harder for people to find it).
Furthermore, these tracks are HISTORICAL RECORD and if the band can't be arsed to put them out, that's not our problem. I'm sure my argument is leaking all over with legal and moral holes but I honestly don't see why it MATTERS.
Besides, nobody but music nerds is going to really care about this stuff anyway, right? :D
They could say they didn't want us to hear this "warts an'all" stuff...
I'm obnly going to say one thing, even to Brian. It's been literally YERAS since I had goosbumps listening to Queen. When I heard Freddie's voice a capella in BoRhap (TRACK 15, if I remember well) I had so many shivers down my spice (pun intended)... even when his voice cracked once or twice (there was a moment like that)- it just made me REMEMBER what a vocal genius he was...
Same goes for stripped of everything else guitar parts- holy mother of god... (and I don't think I'm christian ;) ); all it made me after all these years was to UNDERSTAND finally why I love them so much... If this is harm, dear QP, then... yeah, release GHIV, sequel to musical, some more bootlegs in shitty format and live DVD of a gig we already know (Rio anyone?)- THAT will make me UNDERSTAND why I fell in love in this band in the first place...
I'm obnly going to say one thing, even to Brian. It's been literally YERAS since I had goosbumps listening to Queen. When I heard Freddie's voice a capella in BoRhap (TRACK 15, if I remember well) I had so many shivers down my spice (pun intended)... even when his voice cracked once or twice (there was a moment like that)- it just made me REMEMBER what a vocal genius he was...
Same goes for stripped of everything else guitar parts- holy mother of god... (and I don't think I'm christian ;) ); all it made me after all these years was to UNDERSTAND finally why I love them so much... If this is harm, dear QP, then... yeah, release GHIV, sequel to musical, some more bootlegs in shitty format and live DVD of a gig we already know (Rio anyone?)- THAT will make me UNDERSTAND why I fell in love in this band in the first place...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fenderek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They could say they didn't want us to hear this "warts an'all" stuff...
I'm obnly going to say one thing, even to Brian. It's been literally YERAS since I had goosbumps listening to Queen. When I heard Freddie's voice a capella in BoRhap (TRACK 15, if I remember well) I had so many shivers down my spice (pun intended)... even when his voice cracked once or twice (there was a moment like that)- it just made me REMEMBER what a vocal genius he was...
Same goes for stripped of everything else guitar parts- holy mother of god... (and I don't think I'm christian ;) ); all it made me after all these years was to UNDERSTAND finally why I love them so much... If this is harm, dear QP, then... yeah, release GHIV, sequel to musical, some more bootlegs in shitty format and live DVD of a gig we already know (Rio anyone?)- THAT will make me UNDERSTAND why I fell in love in this band in the first place...[/QUOTE]
Cant argue with that - one reason everyone is so excited is the ability to isolate the vocals etc, and all of a sudden you've got Freddie Mercury singing in your bedroom. Its spine tingling stuff.
I'm obnly going to say one thing, even to Brian. It's been literally YERAS since I had goosbumps listening to Queen. When I heard Freddie's voice a capella in BoRhap (TRACK 15, if I remember well) I had so many shivers down my spice (pun intended)... even when his voice cracked once or twice (there was a moment like that)- it just made me REMEMBER what a vocal genius he was...
Same goes for stripped of everything else guitar parts- holy mother of god... (and I don't think I'm christian ;) ); all it made me after all these years was to UNDERSTAND finally why I love them so much... If this is harm, dear QP, then... yeah, release GHIV, sequel to musical, some more bootlegs in shitty format and live DVD of a gig we already know (Rio anyone?)- THAT will make me UNDERSTAND why I fell in love in this band in the first place...[/QUOTE]
Cant argue with that - one reason everyone is so excited is the ability to isolate the vocals etc, and all of a sudden you've got Freddie Mercury singing in your bedroom. Its spine tingling stuff.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fenderek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They could say they didn't want us to hear this "warts an'all" stuff...
I'm obnly going to say one thing, even to Brian. It's been literally YERAS since I had goosbumps listening to Queen. When I heard Freddie's voice a capella in BoRhap (TRACK 15, if I remember well) I had so many shivers down my spice (pun intended)... even when his voice cracked once or twice (there was a moment like that)- it just made me REMEMBER what a vocal genius he was...
Same goes for stripped of everything else guitar parts- holy mother of god... (and I don't think I'm christian ;) ); all it made me after all these years was to UNDERSTAND finally why I love them so much... If this is harm, dear QP, then... yeah, release GHIV, sequel to musical, some more bootlegs in shitty format and live DVD of a gig we already know (Rio anyone?)- THAT will make me UNDERSTAND why I fell in love in this band in the first place...[/QUOTE]
Love this post, and I completely agree! :-)
I'm obnly going to say one thing, even to Brian. It's been literally YERAS since I had goosbumps listening to Queen. When I heard Freddie's voice a capella in BoRhap (TRACK 15, if I remember well) I had so many shivers down my spice (pun intended)... even when his voice cracked once or twice (there was a moment like that)- it just made me REMEMBER what a vocal genius he was...
Same goes for stripped of everything else guitar parts- holy mother of god... (and I don't think I'm christian ;) ); all it made me after all these years was to UNDERSTAND finally why I love them so much... If this is harm, dear QP, then... yeah, release GHIV, sequel to musical, some more bootlegs in shitty format and live DVD of a gig we already know (Rio anyone?)- THAT will make me UNDERSTAND why I fell in love in this band in the first place...[/QUOTE]
Love this post, and I completely agree! :-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fenderek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They could say they didn't want us to hear this "warts an'all" stuff...
I'm obnly going to say one thing, even to Brian. It's been literally YERAS since I had goosbumps listening to Queen. When I heard Freddie's voice a capella in BoRhap (TRACK 15, if I remember well) I had so many shivers down my spice (pun intended)... even when his voice cracked once or twice (there was a moment like that)- it just made me REMEMBER what a vocal genius he was...
Same goes for stripped of everything else guitar parts- holy mother of god... (and I don't think I'm christian ;) ); all it made me after all these years was to UNDERSTAND finally why I love them so much... If this is harm, dear QP, then... yeah, release GHIV, sequel to musical, some more bootlegs in shitty format and live DVD of a gig we already know (Rio anyone?)- THAT will make me UNDERSTAND why I fell in love in this band in the first place...[/QUOTE]
It's been seconded and thirded, so I'm fourthing this post, shivers and all.
I'm obnly going to say one thing, even to Brian. It's been literally YERAS since I had goosbumps listening to Queen. When I heard Freddie's voice a capella in BoRhap (TRACK 15, if I remember well) I had so many shivers down my spice (pun intended)... even when his voice cracked once or twice (there was a moment like that)- it just made me REMEMBER what a vocal genius he was...
Same goes for stripped of everything else guitar parts- holy mother of god... (and I don't think I'm christian ;) ); all it made me after all these years was to UNDERSTAND finally why I love them so much... If this is harm, dear QP, then... yeah, release GHIV, sequel to musical, some more bootlegs in shitty format and live DVD of a gig we already know (Rio anyone?)- THAT will make me UNDERSTAND why I fell in love in this band in the first place...[/QUOTE]
It's been seconded and thirded, so I'm fourthing this post, shivers and all.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]matt_jax wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Basically it is stolen, as is all leaked demos and also those Convention demos are very much stolen! Illegal recording is well stealing. I was going to DL, but i do not have a purpose to have these multitracks, they serve no purpose to me, but that is my issue.[/QUOTE]
Matt_Jax. Do you also belong to the strange group of people who do NOT see the point in any of the 5.1 audios?
Each to their own I suppose, but THE point of having the multitracks is so you can hear the work and the little intricacies in each individual instrument/vocal that you don't hear on the final mix.
Imagine only having heard Bohemian Rhapsody in mono and then someone giving you the stereo mix to listen to. You hear so much more. This is the same.
Matt_Jax. Do you also belong to the strange group of people who do NOT see the point in any of the 5.1 audios?
Each to their own I suppose, but THE point of having the multitracks is so you can hear the work and the little intricacies in each individual instrument/vocal that you don't hear on the final mix.
Imagine only having heard Bohemian Rhapsody in mono and then someone giving you the stereo mix to listen to. You hear so much more. This is the same.
*raises hand, says: Shivers here too.
Thanks PC--for the downloads AND for starting and inspiring some of the most interesting discussions on QZ in quite awhile. It's good to see so many friends posting among these threads.
Cheers all . . .
Thanks PC--for the downloads AND for starting and inspiring some of the most interesting discussions on QZ in quite awhile. It's good to see so many friends posting among these threads.
Cheers all . . .
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]matt_jax wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Basically it is stolen, as is all leaked demos and also those Convention demos are very much stolen! Illegal recording is well stealing. I was going to DL, but i do not have a purpose to have these multitracks, they serve no purpose to me, but that is my issue.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is stolen and it is illegal. So are all of the video and audio bootlegs of all the concerts which haven't been released, or have only been partially released. The question is, is it wrong?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Skip this long ramble if you want: [/QUOTENAME]That is a question of people's intentions. People obviously aren't downloading these to avoid buying a copy of Killer Queen or Bohemian Rhapsody. They almost certainly own it already, on at least one format. They want to gain a better understanding of how the song was put together by pulling it apart, or they want to remix it for their and the community's enjoyment.
Although it feels different, I think the same argument stands in favour of this as of concert bootlegs: Officially-released live audio and video is edited for many reasons, while the bootleggers try to re-create the original concert as fully and as accurately as possible.
Even if they contain large chunks which have been officially released, they're not a substitute for the official versions, they sit next to them on our big shelves of geekery. Just like the multi-tracks, they COULD be edited down to match the official version, but that would miss the point.
I've gone on a bit here, and answered a few arguments which I don't think you were actually putting forward.
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In short, we're not going to buy any less from Queen Productions just because we have these.
People profiteering off of these on eBay, etc., they are dogs with disease and should be cast into the seven seas of Rhye. People like poopchute, who are sharing these wonderful things with the community, they're the champions of the world.
Yes, it is stolen and it is illegal. So are all of the video and audio bootlegs of all the concerts which haven't been released, or have only been partially released. The question is, is it wrong?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Skip this long ramble if you want: [/QUOTENAME]That is a question of people's intentions. People obviously aren't downloading these to avoid buying a copy of Killer Queen or Bohemian Rhapsody. They almost certainly own it already, on at least one format. They want to gain a better understanding of how the song was put together by pulling it apart, or they want to remix it for their and the community's enjoyment.
Although it feels different, I think the same argument stands in favour of this as of concert bootlegs: Officially-released live audio and video is edited for many reasons, while the bootleggers try to re-create the original concert as fully and as accurately as possible.
Even if they contain large chunks which have been officially released, they're not a substitute for the official versions, they sit next to them on our big shelves of geekery. Just like the multi-tracks, they COULD be edited down to match the official version, but that would miss the point.
I've gone on a bit here, and answered a few arguments which I don't think you were actually putting forward.
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In short, we're not going to buy any less from Queen Productions just because we have these.
People profiteering off of these on eBay, etc., they are dogs with disease and should be cast into the seven seas of Rhye. People like poopchute, who are sharing these wonderful things with the community, they're the champions of the world.
For me the answers are simple.
1: If it takes bread from the mouth of the band – then yes; it is wrong - period.
Brian and others physically lose monies from illegal 'Mad The Swine' or 'Hijack My Heart' downloads, and although I would love to pay him for ‘Robbery’, I cannot. Therefore, although I can agree with his grievance, I have not deprived him of any royalties because there is no financial avenue for me to do so. If on the other-hand, he decided to release ‘Robbery’ at a later stage, I would still buy the official version. Individually, these tracks do not take bread away from the band.
2: Are illegal downloads correct - even if I they do not physically steal from Brian’s mouth?
Absolutely - if it leads to ‘Beatles Anthologies’. The real reason Roger released his solo albums on CD were that the bootleggers beat him to it. Once he saw that he was haemorrhaging cash via this illegal trade, he quickly remedied the situation by rush releasing official versions. If Brian were to officially release a 24 track DVD-audio, then again I would gladly re-purchase an album I have bought many times previously.
3: No one at Queenzone is actually guilty of theft. The worst done here is the file sharing of tracks which could just as easily be found from alternative sources such as e-bay. The real criminal activity lies with the person (or people) who initially stole the material. If there is a leak at EMI –it can only be an insider job. Based on my own stuff being stolen (NO: I am not harping on – but illustrating a point) I have my own suspicions. If that is the case, the answer is simple. Plug the leak, as that is where the real problem exists. If I were Brian, I would be more concerned about a breach of security than I would be about some kid downloading the master from Queenzone.
However, I now think that we are into third or fourth generation sharing, so we have moved well beyond the point of a mere breach of security. Suddenly, it is increasingly looking like a case of having to lock the stable door – long after the horse has bolted, and I think deep down, Brian must know this.
If all this makes me sound hypocritical or contradictive – so be it.
1: If it takes bread from the mouth of the band – then yes; it is wrong - period.
Brian and others physically lose monies from illegal 'Mad The Swine' or 'Hijack My Heart' downloads, and although I would love to pay him for ‘Robbery’, I cannot. Therefore, although I can agree with his grievance, I have not deprived him of any royalties because there is no financial avenue for me to do so. If on the other-hand, he decided to release ‘Robbery’ at a later stage, I would still buy the official version. Individually, these tracks do not take bread away from the band.
2: Are illegal downloads correct - even if I they do not physically steal from Brian’s mouth?
Absolutely - if it leads to ‘Beatles Anthologies’. The real reason Roger released his solo albums on CD were that the bootleggers beat him to it. Once he saw that he was haemorrhaging cash via this illegal trade, he quickly remedied the situation by rush releasing official versions. If Brian were to officially release a 24 track DVD-audio, then again I would gladly re-purchase an album I have bought many times previously.
3: No one at Queenzone is actually guilty of theft. The worst done here is the file sharing of tracks which could just as easily be found from alternative sources such as e-bay. The real criminal activity lies with the person (or people) who initially stole the material. If there is a leak at EMI –it can only be an insider job. Based on my own stuff being stolen (NO: I am not harping on – but illustrating a point) I have my own suspicions. If that is the case, the answer is simple. Plug the leak, as that is where the real problem exists. If I were Brian, I would be more concerned about a breach of security than I would be about some kid downloading the master from Queenzone.
However, I now think that we are into third or fourth generation sharing, so we have moved well beyond the point of a mere breach of security. Suddenly, it is increasingly looking like a case of having to lock the stable door – long after the horse has bolted, and I think deep down, Brian must know this.
If all this makes me sound hypocritical or contradictive – so be it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]matt_jax wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I understand that, i actually own a studio, so i know exactly what i am missing, but i am not at all interested in hearing this one, i have already heard enough througout the years of this damn song. lol. I am more into Rare demos and alternate takes.[/QUOTE]
There are about 3 takes of the lead vocal in this 24-track, if that interests you.
It can be difficult to express using only text, but I'm not being sarcastic, I just thought they might interest you.
There are about 3 takes of the lead vocal in this 24-track, if that interests you.
It can be difficult to express using only text, but I'm not being sarcastic, I just thought they might interest you.