Would a writer want readers to see early drafts of a story, or a film maker want you to see unfinished scenes of their film? No, of course they wouldn't. I'm sure that Queen do not want this stuff to be heard, yes, the fans want to hear it, it's in a fans nature to want to hear the rare stuff. Where does this kind of material get released? Nowhere! that's where. This kind of stuff gets stolen and leaked and even though the artists sometimes get on board with remix contests as has been previously stated, they don't really like this kind of thing getting out. I mean, would you?
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It´s bad that these things leaked out in the first place. But i don´t feel guilty at all by downloading it.
First- i would never pay someone to leak something, because i think it´s a question of integrity. I would never lead someone violate the TRUST code.
But, this is already on the Internet. So, the only think we can do is listen and enjoy.
Why should we feel guilty?
We have no direct action for this to be leaked in the first place, but we can enjoy the fact that it ended up here.
Maybe they´ll get the idea that this could be an interesting product to consider. Creating an Audio File download on their website containing the 24 mustitrack. I would gladly pay for that kind of stuff!
Take care
First- i would never pay someone to leak something, because i think it´s a question of integrity. I would never lead someone violate the TRUST code.
But, this is already on the Internet. So, the only think we can do is listen and enjoy.
Why should we feel guilty?
We have no direct action for this to be leaked in the first place, but we can enjoy the fact that it ended up here.
Maybe they´ll get the idea that this could be an interesting product to consider. Creating an Audio File download on their website containing the 24 mustitrack. I would gladly pay for that kind of stuff!
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]paulsmith2001 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
they don't really like this kind of thing getting out. I mean, would you? [/QUOTE]
Again, you won't get the same answer from everyone. I personally love sharing old scripts from movies and isolated tracks from old songs... of course it doesn't happen often because not that many people ask!! But it's just how I feel... I don't mind, most of the time.
The only times I keep candid stuff hidden is when I say something a bit... incriminating (like when I call someone I know a cocksucker or something).
Judging by the years and years it's taking for unheard Queen stuff to come out, I'm going to guess that Brian's feelings on this are 'I don't want anyone to hear anything', and I can respect that. I don't agree, though.
they don't really like this kind of thing getting out. I mean, would you? [/QUOTE]
Again, you won't get the same answer from everyone. I personally love sharing old scripts from movies and isolated tracks from old songs... of course it doesn't happen often because not that many people ask!! But it's just how I feel... I don't mind, most of the time.
The only times I keep candid stuff hidden is when I say something a bit... incriminating (like when I call someone I know a cocksucker or something).
Judging by the years and years it's taking for unheard Queen stuff to come out, I'm going to guess that Brian's feelings on this are 'I don't want anyone to hear anything', and I can respect that. I don't agree, though.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]paulsmith2001 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Would a writer want readers to see early drafts of a story, or a film maker want you to see unfinished scenes of their film? No, of course they wouldn't. I'm sure that Queen do not want this stuff to be heard, yes, the fans want to hear it, it's in a fans nature to want to hear the rare stuff. Where does this kind of material get released? Nowhere! [/QUOTE]
i have to disagree with you. almost EVERY dvd released these days has "extras" on them. and those extras are usually made up of unfinished/deleted/reworked scenes....so the movie industry IS letting us have stuff that didn't make it to the finished cinema release...so why shouldn't the music industry?
also - i don't think this "witholding gems" practice is not a music industry thing...many big bands have released box sets and collections of demos and outtakes etc....and if it's ok for the beatles then it's ok for queen...except it isn't..because i think our beloved Brian is a little too prissy about it
i have to disagree with you. almost EVERY dvd released these days has "extras" on them. and those extras are usually made up of unfinished/deleted/reworked scenes....so the movie industry IS letting us have stuff that didn't make it to the finished cinema release...so why shouldn't the music industry?
also - i don't think this "witholding gems" practice is not a music industry thing...many big bands have released box sets and collections of demos and outtakes etc....and if it's ok for the beatles then it's ok for queen...except it isn't..because i think our beloved Brian is a little too prissy about it
writers and film makers are not the INDUSTRY
and double negatives are not not a bad idea.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]paulsmith2001 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]writers and film makers are not the INDUSTRY[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty funny comment in light of recent happenings.
Sorry, but that's a bogus comment. They're the lifeblood of the industry. If writers going on strike stop major television shows in their tracks and actually end seasons before they're ready to end, I think that says a lot.
Adam.
That's a pretty funny comment in light of recent happenings.
Sorry, but that's a bogus comment. They're the lifeblood of the industry. If writers going on strike stop major television shows in their tracks and actually end seasons before they're ready to end, I think that says a lot.
Adam.
"Brian and others physically lose monies from illegal 'Mad The Swine' or 'Hijack My Heart' downloads".
No - they're long out of print with no re-issue on the horizon. I'm also fairly sure the band aren't much arsed about out of print b-sides being available online as mp3s, but I'm more than sure they're furious that multitracks of commerically available tracks are being traded in 24 bit WAV files for any dimwit to create horrendous remixes of.
No - they're long out of print with no re-issue on the horizon. I'm also fairly sure the band aren't much arsed about out of print b-sides being available online as mp3s, but I'm more than sure they're furious that multitracks of commerically available tracks are being traded in 24 bit WAV files for any dimwit to create horrendous remixes of.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"Brian and others physically lose monies from illegal 'Mad The Swine' or 'Hijack My Heart' downloads".
No - they're long out of print with no re-issue on the horizon. I'm also fairly sure the band aren't much arsed about out of print b-sides being available online as mp3s, but I'm more than sure they're furious that multitracks of commerically available tracks are being traded in 24 bit WAV files for any dimwit to create horrendous remixes of.[/QUOTE]
Here, here.
No - they're long out of print with no re-issue on the horizon. I'm also fairly sure the band aren't much arsed about out of print b-sides being available online as mp3s, but I'm more than sure they're furious that multitracks of commerically available tracks are being traded in 24 bit WAV files for any dimwit to create horrendous remixes of.[/QUOTE]
Here, here.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...I'm more than sure they're furious that multitracks of commerically available tracks are being traded in 24 bit WAV files for any dimwit to create horrendous remixes of.[/QUOTE]
You miss my main point: These 'dimwits' are no more than 'bottom-feeders'. It's the guys at the top who are 'stealing' this stuff who are the real problem. It is they Brian should fear, not the small guy and his cheesey remix.
In that sense I liken it to drugs. The 'real villians' are not a few college kids smoking a bit of blow. Indeed, in most cases, the police may turn a blind eye at the odd joint for personal use - because basically there is so much crime for them to cope with. Rather, the police concentrate their forces on the few guys at the top of the food chain.
Make no mistake. This is NOT all that has been stolen. This is only the tip of the iceberg. One day soon, we may all be awoken by an avelanche of unreleased gems.
The real key question is - who started it all?
You miss my main point: These 'dimwits' are no more than 'bottom-feeders'. It's the guys at the top who are 'stealing' this stuff who are the real problem. It is they Brian should fear, not the small guy and his cheesey remix.
In that sense I liken it to drugs. The 'real villians' are not a few college kids smoking a bit of blow. Indeed, in most cases, the police may turn a blind eye at the odd joint for personal use - because basically there is so much crime for them to cope with. Rather, the police concentrate their forces on the few guys at the top of the food chain.
Make no mistake. This is NOT all that has been stolen. This is only the tip of the iceberg. One day soon, we may all be awoken by an avelanche of unreleased gems.
The real key question is - who started it all?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]" . . . furious that multitracks of commerically available tracks are being traded in 24 bit WAV files for any dimwit to create horrendous remixes of.[/QUOTE]
*shudders at the prospect of a Bo Rhap/Who Let The Dogs Out dance mix.
*shudders at the prospect of a Bo Rhap/Who Let The Dogs Out dance mix.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]write your letters in the sand wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]" . . . furious that multitracks of commerically available tracks are being traded in 24 bit WAV files for any dimwit to create horrendous remixes of.[/QUOTE]
*shudders at the prospect of a Bo Rhap/Who Let The Dogs Out dance mix.[/QUOTE]
THAT is my biggest fear. Seeing that gives me an upset stomach about the prospect of putting anymore of these multi-tracks out in public.
Lest there be any grey area.... its not right to do. Just because these mults haven't been "officially released" they have owners. The people who did the transfers become less trusted, even if it was transferred un-knowingly.
Its wrong, but I still feel like they should be out there to hear....
*shudders at the prospect of a Bo Rhap/Who Let The Dogs Out dance mix.[/QUOTE]
THAT is my biggest fear. Seeing that gives me an upset stomach about the prospect of putting anymore of these multi-tracks out in public.
Lest there be any grey area.... its not right to do. Just because these mults haven't been "officially released" they have owners. The people who did the transfers become less trusted, even if it was transferred un-knowingly.
Its wrong, but I still feel like they should be out there to hear....
"The difference between the KQ/BR multis and something like "Stealin'," "Hijack My Heart," or "Mad the Swine" is that there are several other websites out there--primarily "blogs" from South America--which post official albums in full"
Dear friends, salutations from Brazil ( South America )
My first post ever...
Salutations to all Queen fans here and out there!
Sorry my poor english in advanced.
About that post above, no no, why all wrong things is " from or to South America? "
Sorry my dear friend, but that is wrong, because the 24 track tape was stoled probably in UK ( first world ) and not in SA.
I did the download of Bo Rhap multitrack files , im a simple sound engineer and after listen the rough tracks i did stay amazed.
Im Queen´s fan for a long time, and after listen the rough tracks i did think what the Queen members thinking about the "incident" of have the multitrack tape digitalized and available in internet!!
I can talk for myself, i will never share or trade the material to anyone, i sware.
I hope each person which downloaded the
" digitalized " material do the same!
QPL need arrest the first thief which did stole the tape ( Probably an 24 tracks 2" tape ). That is the correct!
Now the "morality" question about the tracks available in internet is another very hard question because each one have own opinion and etc...
By the way, QPL recovery the stoled tape? I hope so because is historical tape.
Thanks and sorry for long post.
Peace.
Dear friends, salutations from Brazil ( South America )
My first post ever...
Salutations to all Queen fans here and out there!
Sorry my poor english in advanced.
About that post above, no no, why all wrong things is " from or to South America? "
Sorry my dear friend, but that is wrong, because the 24 track tape was stoled probably in UK ( first world ) and not in SA.
I did the download of Bo Rhap multitrack files , im a simple sound engineer and after listen the rough tracks i did stay amazed.
Im Queen´s fan for a long time, and after listen the rough tracks i did think what the Queen members thinking about the "incident" of have the multitrack tape digitalized and available in internet!!
I can talk for myself, i will never share or trade the material to anyone, i sware.
I hope each person which downloaded the
" digitalized " material do the same!
QPL need arrest the first thief which did stole the tape ( Probably an 24 tracks 2" tape ). That is the correct!
Now the "morality" question about the tracks available in internet is another very hard question because each one have own opinion and etc...
By the way, QPL recovery the stoled tape? I hope so because is historical tape.
Thanks and sorry for long post.
Peace.
BRZ,
I apologize if this does not translate well, but I will do my best to be understandable if this ends up going through Babelfish or another online translator.
I was not saying that South Americans are the only thieves, nor was I even saying that South Americans were responsible for the leaking of the KQ/BR multis. I was only pointing out that there are several "blog" sites, all of them that I know of based in South America, that allow users to download entire Queen albums for free. That is the sort of thing that takes money out of the pockets of the band, not the leaking of two songs' masters.
I meant no disrespect towards South America in my post, and I am sorry if it came across wrong.
I apologize if this does not translate well, but I will do my best to be understandable if this ends up going through Babelfish or another online translator.
I was not saying that South Americans are the only thieves, nor was I even saying that South Americans were responsible for the leaking of the KQ/BR multis. I was only pointing out that there are several "blog" sites, all of them that I know of based in South America, that allow users to download entire Queen albums for free. That is the sort of thing that takes money out of the pockets of the band, not the leaking of two songs' masters.
I meant no disrespect towards South America in my post, and I am sorry if it came across wrong.
BRZ:
Welcome to Queenzone! :)
Welcome to Queenzone! :)