[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I do not agree with animal cruelty - but to rejoice in the deaths of other human beings - is the greatest cruelty of all. Shame on you...
...To elevate animal life above any human life - is political correctness gone mad. [/QUOTE]
Obviously, I disagree. These men are not just fishermen, they 'hunt' these baby seals who have absolutely no defense and no way to escape, and then they beat them to death while the seals scream and cry in pain and terror. I don't eat meat and I don't wear/use leather. I don't believe in animal cruelty and that is what this is.. only worse because it's legal.
In my eyes, these men are as barbaric as child abusers/molesters/murderers for doing what they do. In my eyes, their deaths are a minor bit of justice for the injustice of their 'jobs'.
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I couldn't agree more!
I really don't feel sorry for the bastards, hope they burn in hell. I think it's more terrible when such a baby seal is cruely killed than when a couple of those assholes responsible for that die. Hope they died a slow and painful death.
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What a bunch of pompous hypocrites.
Like YV I think that: "...seal hunting should be outlawed internationally...that it is cruel and should be stopped immediately" I also agree "...the death penalty is NOT an appropriate punishment for seal hunting".
However, every country is as bad as Canada in its own way.
Raststätte-Knödel: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/abuses.html
Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way.
Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury:
http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hsus_releases_yearlong_study_on_animal_cruelty_in_america.html
The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse.
Zebonka12:
http://ink.news.com.au/ink/detail1.cfm?storyid=2382&editionid=350&categoryid=1745&preview=&editionpassword=LrfnrfFcBh
It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done?
I do not believe in a God - but I do think that those 'without sin' get to throw the first stone - so if we eat (even vegans) are guilty of some form of cruelty.
Like YV I think that: "...seal hunting should be outlawed internationally...that it is cruel and should be stopped immediately" I also agree "...the death penalty is NOT an appropriate punishment for seal hunting".
However, every country is as bad as Canada in its own way.
Raststätte-Knödel: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/abuses.html
Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way.
Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury:
http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hsus_releases_yearlong_study_on_animal_cruelty_in_america.html
The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse.
Zebonka12:
http://ink.news.com.au/ink/detail1.cfm?storyid=2382&editionid=350&categoryid=1745&preview=&editionpassword=LrfnrfFcBh
It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done?
I do not believe in a God - but I do think that those 'without sin' get to throw the first stone - so if we eat (even vegans) are guilty of some form of cruelty.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What a bunch of pompous hypocrites.
Raststätte-Knödel: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/abuses.html
Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way.
Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury:
http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hsus_releases_yearlong_study_on_animal_cruelty_in_america.html
The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse.
Zebonka12:
http://ink.news.com.au/ink/detail1.cfm?storyid=2382&editionid=350&categoryid=1745&preview=&editionpassword=LrfnrfFcBh
It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done?
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How are we hypocrites? Because people around the world, including in our own countries, commit heinous crimes against animals? Has anyone here said their country is superior in that regard - or in any other, for that matter? Or have we said we hate what is done to animals and that animal cruelty is disgusting in all it's forms?
Do not call someone a hypocrite when you know nothing about that person. You have no idea how much I, for one, invest in time, energy, voice and cash to help protect animals. You only know that here, on this board, I (and others) have said they feel a sense of justice at the death of those who would have killed. In no way does that contradict itself - and most especially not in the way you indicate.
Raststätte-Knödel: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/abuses.html
Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way.
Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury:
http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hsus_releases_yearlong_study_on_animal_cruelty_in_america.html
The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse.
Zebonka12:
http://ink.news.com.au/ink/detail1.cfm?storyid=2382&editionid=350&categoryid=1745&preview=&editionpassword=LrfnrfFcBh
It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done?
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How are we hypocrites? Because people around the world, including in our own countries, commit heinous crimes against animals? Has anyone here said their country is superior in that regard - or in any other, for that matter? Or have we said we hate what is done to animals and that animal cruelty is disgusting in all it's forms?
Do not call someone a hypocrite when you know nothing about that person. You have no idea how much I, for one, invest in time, energy, voice and cash to help protect animals. You only know that here, on this board, I (and others) have said they feel a sense of justice at the death of those who would have killed. In no way does that contradict itself - and most especially not in the way you indicate.
I say club the Killer Whales, they kill seals all the time, the bastards.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What a bunch of pompous hypocrites.
Raststätte-Knödel: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/abuses.html
Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way.
Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury:
http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hsus_releases_yearlong_study_on_animal_cruelty_in_america.html
The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse.
Zebonka12:
http://ink.news.com.au/ink/detail1.cfm?storyid=2382&editionid=350&categoryid=1745&preview=&editionpassword=LrfnrfFcBh
It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done?
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How are we hypocrites?
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Because YOU claim you despise animal cruelty - yet
'celebrate' "... those pricks got what they deserved..." the death of human hunters.
I on the other hand despise animal cruelty AND human suffering also.
In my book that makes YOU a hypocrite - no matter who you financially support.
Nature, by design is red in tooth and claw, and while I still claim to be against seal clubbing per se, what is the difference between this outdoor and a conventional abattoir?
For me a 'bigger' sin are those who kill for NO good reason - for example standing on a spider - for the sake of standing on a spider, but as alluded to above, seals are cute - spiders are not - so no one really cares about their feelings.
My final point is that I believe it is hypocritical to celebrate any cruelty against any living creature - and to argue that these men deserved a suffering death offends not only my sensitivities - but by definition alone - MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE.
Raststätte-Knödel: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/abuses.html
Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way.
Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury:
http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hsus_releases_yearlong_study_on_animal_cruelty_in_america.html
The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse.
Zebonka12:
http://ink.news.com.au/ink/detail1.cfm?storyid=2382&editionid=350&categoryid=1745&preview=&editionpassword=LrfnrfFcBh
It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done?
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How are we hypocrites?
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Because YOU claim you despise animal cruelty - yet
'celebrate' "... those pricks got what they deserved..." the death of human hunters.
I on the other hand despise animal cruelty AND human suffering also.
In my book that makes YOU a hypocrite - no matter who you financially support.
Nature, by design is red in tooth and claw, and while I still claim to be against seal clubbing per se, what is the difference between this outdoor and a conventional abattoir?
For me a 'bigger' sin are those who kill for NO good reason - for example standing on a spider - for the sake of standing on a spider, but as alluded to above, seals are cute - spiders are not - so no one really cares about their feelings.
My final point is that I believe it is hypocritical to celebrate any cruelty against any living creature - and to argue that these men deserved a suffering death offends not only my sensitivities - but by definition alone - MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What a bunch of pompous hypocrites.
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How are we hypocrites?
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Because YOU claim you despise animal cruelty - yet
'celebrate' "... those pricks got what they deserved..." the death of human hunters.
I on the other hand despise animal cruelty AND human suffering also.
...My final point is that I believe it is hypocritical to celebrate any cruelty against any living creature - and to argue that these men deserved a suffering death offends not only my sensitivities - but by definition alone - MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE.
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Sorry to offend your sensibilities, but my sensibilities are offended each time one of those hunters goes out there to slaughter those animals... and it's hardly because they're cute but rather because they're living and breathing innocents.
I despise human suffering as well. However, in some cases, like this one, humans bring on the suffering themselves, whereas these animals are simply existing and being destroyed because of it. These hunters, despite the conditions and warnings of treacherous conditions, went out there to kill and were killed in the process. Greed? Obsession? Arrogance of man against nature? Whatever, they died because of it. They brought it on themselves.
Not everyone is worth our sympathies - well, maybe yours, but that's your issue. I will not be the hypocrite you are who professes to despise animal cruelty then defends or sympathizes with those who perpetrated that cruelty in the first place.
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How are we hypocrites?
[/QUOTE]
Because YOU claim you despise animal cruelty - yet
'celebrate' "... those pricks got what they deserved..." the death of human hunters.
I on the other hand despise animal cruelty AND human suffering also.
...My final point is that I believe it is hypocritical to celebrate any cruelty against any living creature - and to argue that these men deserved a suffering death offends not only my sensitivities - but by definition alone - MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE.
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Sorry to offend your sensibilities, but my sensibilities are offended each time one of those hunters goes out there to slaughter those animals... and it's hardly because they're cute but rather because they're living and breathing innocents.
I despise human suffering as well. However, in some cases, like this one, humans bring on the suffering themselves, whereas these animals are simply existing and being destroyed because of it. These hunters, despite the conditions and warnings of treacherous conditions, went out there to kill and were killed in the process. Greed? Obsession? Arrogance of man against nature? Whatever, they died because of it. They brought it on themselves.
Not everyone is worth our sympathies - well, maybe yours, but that's your issue. I will not be the hypocrite you are who professes to despise animal cruelty then defends or sympathizes with those who perpetrated that cruelty in the first place.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Raststätte-Knödel: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/abuses.html
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I know that. That's why I'm a vegetarian. I think what my country does to farm animals isn't less terrible than the seal hunt.
Raststätte-Knödel: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/abuses.html
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I know that. That's why I'm a vegetarian. I think what my country does to farm animals isn't less terrible than the seal hunt.
Blah blah blah,
notice how when you type like SHATNER, you're suddenly more CREDIBLE.
I'm not a hypocrite. I really don't see what's hypocritical about realising that people who go out in flimsy fishing boats are basically begging to drown. They can't wait to die. They think getting water in their lungs is like being tickled by the Lady of the Lake or something.
notice how when you type like SHATNER, you're suddenly more CREDIBLE.
I'm not a hypocrite. I really don't see what's hypocritical about realising that people who go out in flimsy fishing boats are basically begging to drown. They can't wait to die. They think getting water in their lungs is like being tickled by the Lady of the Lake or something.