Barb, I realize you need to be diplomatic in this situation, but ignoring the trolls isn't going to work. It just isn't. That attitude has been used for years, but it just isn't going to cut it anymore. You can't ask anyone to NOT reply to the trolls, because they always say something ludicrous like "shut up you should be deleted you nazi + fake queen fan". (By the way, how the hell is that not considered bullying and trolling? Exactly what are the guidelines here?) On ANY OTHER SITE, the instant Treasure Moment showed up and started with his bullshit, he would've gotten a warning, and if he didn't stop, he would've been banned. But it's been God knows how long since he's been menacing Queenzone, and still NOTHING has been done except for sending emails to him that clearly don't do anything.
Yes, it's not ALWAYS Treasure Moment who does it, but the MAJORITY of the time it's Treasure Moment who does it. Can't there be a way to moderate (!!!) who signs up a fake account and then restrict them from doing so? Don't get me wrong, I like a good parody every now and then, but when the entire board is full of Treasure Moment wannabes, then it's just beyond absurd.
The way to keep people here, and to bring back some of the old guard, is to get rid of some of the trash. If that doesn't happen, pretty soon everyone's going to leave, bringing about a new wave of people. The reality of it is, you can plead for the old people to come back, and they might, but once they catch sight of a halfway intelligent conversation disintegrating into either "FREDDIE IS GOD SHUT UP YOU SHEEP THAT'S A FACT" or "KICK PAUL OUT HE'S USELESS RIP QUEEN 1971 - 1991", then they're going to skedaddle and go somewhere else. I can't say that I'd blame them, either.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Barb, I realize you need to be diplomatic in this situation, but ignoring the trolls isn't going to work. It just isn't. That attitude has been used for years, but it just isn't going to cut it anymore. You can't ask anyone to NOT reply to the trolls, because they always say something ludicrous like "shut up you should be deleted you nazi + fake queen fan". (By the way, how the hell is that not considered bullying and trolling? Exactly what are the guidelines here?) On ANY OTHER SITE, the instant Treasure Moment showed up and started with his bullshit, he would've gotten a warning, and if he didn't stop, he would've been banned. But it's been God knows how long since he's been menacing Queenzone, and still NOTHING has been done except for sending emails to him that clearly don't do anything.
Yes, it's not ALWAYS Treasure Moment who does it, but the MAJORITY of the time it's Treasure Moment who does it. Can't there be a way to moderate (!!!) who signs up a fake account and then restrict them from doing so? Don't get me wrong, I like a good parody every now and then, but when the entire board is full of Treasure Moment wannabes, then it's just beyond absurd.
The way to keep people here, and to bring back some of the old guard, is to get rid of some of the trash. If that doesn't happen, pretty soon everyone's going to leave, bringing about a new wave of people. The reality of it is, you can plead for the old people to come back, and they might, but once they catch sight of a halfway intelligent conversation disintegrating into either "FREDDIE IS GOD SHUT UP YOU SHEEP THAT'S A FACT" or "KICK PAUL OUT HE'S USELESS RIP QUEEN 1971 - 1991", then they're going to skedaddle and go somewhere else. I can't say that I'd blame them, either.[/QUOTE]
how about we get rid of you and freya who are acting like nazis? do you what freedom of speech is? you think you are so much better with your constant insults towards me? i see you as a troll too
Yes, it's not ALWAYS Treasure Moment who does it, but the MAJORITY of the time it's Treasure Moment who does it. Can't there be a way to moderate (!!!) who signs up a fake account and then restrict them from doing so? Don't get me wrong, I like a good parody every now and then, but when the entire board is full of Treasure Moment wannabes, then it's just beyond absurd.
The way to keep people here, and to bring back some of the old guard, is to get rid of some of the trash. If that doesn't happen, pretty soon everyone's going to leave, bringing about a new wave of people. The reality of it is, you can plead for the old people to come back, and they might, but once they catch sight of a halfway intelligent conversation disintegrating into either "FREDDIE IS GOD SHUT UP YOU SHEEP THAT'S A FACT" or "KICK PAUL OUT HE'S USELESS RIP QUEEN 1971 - 1991", then they're going to skedaddle and go somewhere else. I can't say that I'd blame them, either.[/QUOTE]
how about we get rid of you and freya who are acting like nazis? do you what freedom of speech is? you think you are so much better with your constant insults towards me? i see you as a troll too
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=007788> ?Freya? wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You see, this is what I find funny. From that, he has deduced that not only am I a fake Queen fan, I'm also a nazi. It must be amazing to see what goes on in that little brain of his. [/QUOTE]
no matter how stupid and ignorant i think you are, do you see me demanding you to get banned? no because im not a nazi and i see you just as a little ignorant and not so smart kid.
no matter how stupid and ignorant i think you are, do you see me demanding you to get banned? no because im not a nazi and i see you just as a little ignorant and not so smart kid.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no matter how stupid and ignorant i think you are, do you see me demanding you to get banned? no because im not a nazi
[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHA :)
Treasure Moment, I've got a surprise for you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
how about we get rid of you and freya who are acting like nazis?
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
it would be even greater if you got deleted you nazi + fake queen fan[/QUOTE]
You silly, silly cunt. You can't even make your mind up for the duration of one page of one thread.
Hilarious :)
no matter how stupid and ignorant i think you are, do you see me demanding you to get banned? no because im not a nazi
[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHA :)
Treasure Moment, I've got a surprise for you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
how about we get rid of you and freya who are acting like nazis?
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
it would be even greater if you got deleted you nazi + fake queen fan[/QUOTE]
You silly, silly cunt. You can't even make your mind up for the duration of one page of one thread.
Hilarious :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=#FF66FF><b>Marial-B wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And what Pieter has just posted is really good, but, do you think some "radical" people would change this for emoticons, avatars and restrict moderators??? We should consider that maybe is still not an option and that would be when the frog grows hair on its back :P.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about more moderation with PHPBB3, but it would allow people to "self moderate". If a user gets on your nerves you can personally ignore that user. Everybody else can still see them.
PHPBB also has flood control which would stop idiots who feel the need spam the board now and again.
It's not about avatars or emoticons, it's about a board that has a search that works, where you can ignore people who annoy you, and finally offer private messaging between users.
I'm not talking about more moderation with PHPBB3, but it would allow people to "self moderate". If a user gets on your nerves you can personally ignore that user. Everybody else can still see them.
PHPBB also has flood control which would stop idiots who feel the need spam the board now and again.
It's not about avatars or emoticons, it's about a board that has a search that works, where you can ignore people who annoy you, and finally offer private messaging between users.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry... wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The freedom of speech... Great thing which exists (not everywhere though) in real life, but should we copy rules of real life into virtual life?
Can I sue for the lie, insults and death threats someone called 'redspecialusa'? Or 'adventure_seeker'? Technically, yes, but let's face the truth - no. Can I do the same towards Joe Smith, 24 from Dallas? More chances actually. It's so easy to hide behind nicknames, aliases, proxy IPs in virtual life, but it's all almost impossible in real life.
So again my question should we copy rules of real life into virtual life...? Maybe yes, but completely, not partially?[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100%. Great post.
Can I sue for the lie, insults and death threats someone called 'redspecialusa'? Or 'adventure_seeker'? Technically, yes, but let's face the truth - no. Can I do the same towards Joe Smith, 24 from Dallas? More chances actually. It's so easy to hide behind nicknames, aliases, proxy IPs in virtual life, but it's all almost impossible in real life.
So again my question should we copy rules of real life into virtual life...? Maybe yes, but completely, not partially?[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100%. Great post.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no matter how stupid and ignorant i think you are, do you see me demanding you to get banned? no because im not a nazi
[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHA :)
Treasure Moment, I've got a surprise for you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
how about we get rid of you and freya who are acting like nazis?
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
it would be even greater if you got deleted you nazi + fake queen fan[/QUOTE]
You silly, silly cunt. You can't even make your mind up for the duration of one page of one thread.
Hilarious :)[/QUOTE]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?
no matter how stupid and ignorant i think you are, do you see me demanding you to get banned? no because im not a nazi
[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHA :)
Treasure Moment, I've got a surprise for you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
how about we get rid of you and freya who are acting like nazis?
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
it would be even greater if you got deleted you nazi + fake queen fan[/QUOTE]
You silly, silly cunt. You can't even make your mind up for the duration of one page of one thread.
Hilarious :)[/QUOTE]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?
Lester - if I knew how to make the boards better within the rules of the website owner I would certainly do it. I just cannot do it all by myself, I even get tired of being blamed all the time. I am tired of being told how crappy the boards are and the reason is not the users - no - it's the lack of moderation. I am tired of being told that people are too good to post here because they have a life and how pathetic people are who still defend the board. I am tired of being called lazy, inattentive, uncaring, and whatnot. Okay - I can delete TM and Jake Britt and people who start the 345th "random" thread but there will still be someone offended by something another user posts and claim that the other user should be banned.
After getting this off my chest and getting over the frustration to have to do this on a sunny Sunday afternoon, I want to explain myself one more time, because I respect you, Georg and I want you to understand.
I cannot keep anybody from creating a new TM alias - when I see one I have to manually look it up and delete it. The software does not allow for banning IPs or IP ranges, it all has to be done manually. I make a copy of the deleted account, so if someone keeps creating such fake accounts I can notify his provider and get him in trouble for illegally spamming the website. The same goes for trolls, I have a troll list which makes it possible to take action if a troll should create more accounts than I can handle.
I do warn people, I plead with people, I threaten people, I move around topics, I delete topics with illegal content, I delete obvious troll accounts. I keep track of all these activities in order to avoid mistakes and accidentally delete a harmless bystander. The fun in all these activities is zero. I would appreciate if regular users could restrain from answering obvious trolling threads and just let them slip into neverland instead of replying 3 times and show indignation and ask for banning and deleting.
When I receive an email from a user with a complaint I ALWAYS answer. Maybe not the way the user wants me to answer but I always answer and explain why I cannot help if I cannot help. In many cases I can help. It's not okay that users suffer distress on the board from other users but to ask me to take sides in a fight between Freya and TM is asked to much - I am the frightened one here!!
I also do not meddle into fights between P Rodgers pro and cons - it's just not worth my time, everybody has the right to voice their opinion - and Jake: there is a Queen + Paul Rodgers forum.
To make a long story short: yes I do care a lot about this board, I invest a lot of my free time although I enjoy more to upload pics and fan covers, answer emails, or write a quiz - sadly I have hardly any time for this lately. I am eternally grateful for any good advice and helpful comment. I cannot write another board - that would be up to Richard but I think he likes his board, it has not crashed once since 2001.
After getting this off my chest and getting over the frustration to have to do this on a sunny Sunday afternoon, I want to explain myself one more time, because I respect you, Georg and I want you to understand.
I cannot keep anybody from creating a new TM alias - when I see one I have to manually look it up and delete it. The software does not allow for banning IPs or IP ranges, it all has to be done manually. I make a copy of the deleted account, so if someone keeps creating such fake accounts I can notify his provider and get him in trouble for illegally spamming the website. The same goes for trolls, I have a troll list which makes it possible to take action if a troll should create more accounts than I can handle.
I do warn people, I plead with people, I threaten people, I move around topics, I delete topics with illegal content, I delete obvious troll accounts. I keep track of all these activities in order to avoid mistakes and accidentally delete a harmless bystander. The fun in all these activities is zero. I would appreciate if regular users could restrain from answering obvious trolling threads and just let them slip into neverland instead of replying 3 times and show indignation and ask for banning and deleting.
When I receive an email from a user with a complaint I ALWAYS answer. Maybe not the way the user wants me to answer but I always answer and explain why I cannot help if I cannot help. In many cases I can help. It's not okay that users suffer distress on the board from other users but to ask me to take sides in a fight between Freya and TM is asked to much - I am the frightened one here!!
I also do not meddle into fights between P Rodgers pro and cons - it's just not worth my time, everybody has the right to voice their opinion - and Jake: there is a Queen + Paul Rodgers forum.
To make a long story short: yes I do care a lot about this board, I invest a lot of my free time although I enjoy more to upload pics and fan covers, answer emails, or write a quiz - sadly I have hardly any time for this lately. I am eternally grateful for any good advice and helpful comment. I cannot write another board - that would be up to Richard but I think he likes his board, it has not crashed once since 2001.
...This whole freedom of speech thing is great, but only to an extent.
To regular members and normal people, who know how the site works and are happy to stay within the boundaries, it works brilliantly. However, you have to remember not everybody is normal and not everybody is going to abide by the rules and self moderate and people take advantage of being able to write whatever they want.
This is fine until it starts annoying regular posters, the people who keep the site active and the people that post the most and get enjoyment out of the site. That's when a user should be deleted - freedom of speech or not.
Others have been deleted for this kind of thing, and I think this has been going on for far too long.
It's not fair on us that every time we log on we have to go through all this "FACT SHEEP DMT I HATE YOU" crap, and not only that - the personal attacks, before we get to anything even mildly interesting.
To regular members and normal people, who know how the site works and are happy to stay within the boundaries, it works brilliantly. However, you have to remember not everybody is normal and not everybody is going to abide by the rules and self moderate and people take advantage of being able to write whatever they want.
This is fine until it starts annoying regular posters, the people who keep the site active and the people that post the most and get enjoyment out of the site. That's when a user should be deleted - freedom of speech or not.
Others have been deleted for this kind of thing, and I think this has been going on for far too long.
It's not fair on us that every time we log on we have to go through all this "FACT SHEEP DMT I HATE YOU" crap, and not only that - the personal attacks, before we get to anything even mildly interesting.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
you are a confused child zebonka :) i never demanded anybody to get banned FIRST. I just said the same thing back to those particular people who wanted me banned.
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
you are a confused child zebonka :) i never demanded anybody to get banned FIRST. I just said the same thing back to those particular people who wanted me banned.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jacob Britt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
stop being so damn sensetive
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
stop being so damn sensetive
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jacob Britt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
Ugh. First I had assdude chasing me from thread to thread, now I've got you. Fantastic.
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
Ugh. First I had assdude chasing me from thread to thread, now I've got you. Fantastic.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
you are a confused child zebonka :) i never demanded anybody to get banned FIRST. I just said the same thing back to those particular people who wanted me banned.[/QUOTE]
*ahem* There is absolutely no confusion here.
I did not say you said anything 'FIRST', as if it matters.
The point is that you said it at all. I know that 'an eye for an eye' might be how they do things in Uppsala, but this is a thread about improving Queenzone.
Your ideal response to people saying you should be banned could be, "I'm sorry for annoying you, I will try to be a better forum member".
Or you could fuck off. Either or.
you are a confused child zebonka :) i never demanded anybody to get banned FIRST. I just said the same thing back to those particular people who wanted me banned.[/QUOTE]
*ahem* There is absolutely no confusion here.
I did not say you said anything 'FIRST', as if it matters.
The point is that you said it at all. I know that 'an eye for an eye' might be how they do things in Uppsala, but this is a thread about improving Queenzone.
Your ideal response to people saying you should be banned could be, "I'm sorry for annoying you, I will try to be a better forum member".
Or you could fuck off. Either or.