Barb, please don't misinterpret my comments. I know of the hard work you do, and I know you get the short end of the stick periodically. I do not think you're lazy, inattentive, or uncaring, and I would never, ever think to say that. I respect you very much, and I do think it's unfair you have to deal with this shit all the time. You are the unsung hero, because you do a lot more than anyone will ever know.
I don't like to tell people how to do their job, because I sure as hell hate it when people tell me how to do mine. But Richard's laissez-faire approach to Queenzone is becoming detrimental. Just because the board hasn't crashed since 2001 doesn't make it automatically superior to anything that exists out there. I have the technical know-how of an amoeba, so I'm not really the one who can say anything about PHPBPBPBPBPBP boards or how great they are, but maybe a little bit of a shake-up is due? Why not ask someone else to help out with "moderation", so that some of the tension can be taken off your shoulders? If the software for the board is so archaic, where you have to manually do all those things while searching for a troll or duplicate account, then why not ask Richard for an upgrade? Surely the ease with which moderator(s) are able to do their job better and endure less headaches (and less bitchy threads like the one I've started) is more important than knowing the board hasn't crashed since 2001?
Regarding Treasure Moment, yes, I know it would be grand if we could all ignore him, but we can't. There's just no way to do it. (That would be easier with an "ignore" feature, of course, but it's unlikely that will ever appear.) It's like standing in a crowded room where people are quietly and rationally discussing something, and then all of a sudden, some raving lunatic runs in and starts screaming obscenities at the top of his lungs. You want to ignore him, but it's disrupting your discussion! So you kindly ask him to stop yelling so loudly, but he doesn't, and then the requests for him to shut up get louder and more obscene, until the entire room is yelling at each other and all order has been lost.
Anyway, I'm not sure that I could offer any more suggestions than what I've already offered, but there ARE people here who would be happy to help, especially if it means returning QZ to a decent place to be. And again, Barb, I DO appreciate all the work you do, and anyone who says otherwise is just ignorant. And THAT'S A FACT.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
you are a confused child zebonka :) i never demanded anybody to get banned FIRST. I just said the same thing back to those particular people who wanted me banned.[/QUOTE]
*ahem* There is absolutely no confusion here.
I did not say you said anything 'FIRST', as if it matters.
The point is that you said it at all. I know that 'an eye for an eye' might be how they do things in Uppsala, but this is a thread about improving Queenzone.
Your ideal response to people saying you should be banned could be, "I'm sorry for annoying you, I will try to be a better forum member".
Or you could fuck off. Either or.[/QUOTE]
or i have the right to speak my mind as you and if it doesnt suit you too bad
you are a confused child zebonka :) i never demanded anybody to get banned FIRST. I just said the same thing back to those particular people who wanted me banned.[/QUOTE]
*ahem* There is absolutely no confusion here.
I did not say you said anything 'FIRST', as if it matters.
The point is that you said it at all. I know that 'an eye for an eye' might be how they do things in Uppsala, but this is a thread about improving Queenzone.
Your ideal response to people saying you should be banned could be, "I'm sorry for annoying you, I will try to be a better forum member".
Or you could fuck off. Either or.[/QUOTE]
or i have the right to speak my mind as you and if it doesnt suit you too bad
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jacob Britt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
Ugh. First I had assdude chasing me from thread to thread, now I've got you. Fantastic.[/QUOTE]
I'm not chasing you thread to thread.
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
Ugh. First I had assdude chasing me from thread to thread, now I've got you. Fantastic.[/QUOTE]
I'm not chasing you thread to thread.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
or i have the right to speak my mind as you and if it doesnt suit you too bad[/QUOTE]
As I've said before, I find it highly entertaining when you speak your mind.
Just pick an opinion and stick with it. If you're not a 'Nazi', then surely you wouldn't ban anyone for having an opinion; even someone who's just said 'Ban Treasure Moment?'
Fair is fair, hey!
or i have the right to speak my mind as you and if it doesnt suit you too bad[/QUOTE]
As I've said before, I find it highly entertaining when you speak your mind.
Just pick an opinion and stick with it. If you're not a 'Nazi', then surely you wouldn't ban anyone for having an opinion; even someone who's just said 'Ban Treasure Moment?'
Fair is fair, hey!
get a life
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME].Jony. wrote: [/QUOTENAME]get a life[/QUOTE]
Who the fuck are you, then?
Unless you're a firefighter, mountain climber, baby-saver or TJ Hooker, you really aren't in a position to utter those words anywhere outside of a Dungeons and Dragons meet.
Who the fuck are you, then?
Unless you're a firefighter, mountain climber, baby-saver or TJ Hooker, you really aren't in a position to utter those words anywhere outside of a Dungeons and Dragons meet.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jacob Britt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
Ugh. First I had assdude chasing me from thread to thread, now I've got you. Fantastic.[/QUOTE]
Can everyone else hear the Indiana Jones theme music in this post? (Zebonka's, I mean. Haha.)
no you silly transvestite :) i didnt demand them to get banned FIRST, i just said the same thing they did AFTER they demanded me to get banned, see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Nope. No difference. You still can't make your fucking mind up.
What, so it's okay for you to say who should get banned? But not okay for us?
Hahaha. Fuck, you dig yourself deeper in every post.
I can't believe there are people who want you banned. You're funnier than Phelps.[/QUOTE]
You two both have problems. That's one of the things that ruins Queenzone.[/QUOTE]
Ugh. First I had assdude chasing me from thread to thread, now I've got you. Fantastic.[/QUOTE]
Can everyone else hear the Indiana Jones theme music in this post? (Zebonka's, I mean. Haha.)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME] I cannot write another board - that would be up to Richard but I think he likes his board, it has not crashed once since 2001.[/QUOTE]
It may not have crashed, but there are numerous problems. I am sure some of these are things that cause a headache for you too. Posts appearing out of order, and the lack of a good search are just 2 of the issues. Banning an IP should be a simple process, and it's sounds like it's a hassle every time you need to do it.
I just wish Richard would be open to the idea of looking into an alternative that would makes things easier for everybody.
It may not have crashed, but there are numerous problems. I am sure some of these are things that cause a headache for you too. Posts appearing out of order, and the lack of a good search are just 2 of the issues. Banning an IP should be a simple process, and it's sounds like it's a hassle every time you need to do it.
I just wish Richard would be open to the idea of looking into an alternative that would makes things easier for everybody.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=#FF66FF><b>Marial-B wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And what Pieter has just posted is really good, but, do you think some "radical" people would change this for emoticons, avatars and restrict moderators??? We should consider that maybe is still not an option and that would be when the frog grows hair on its back :P.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about more moderation with PHPBB3, but it would allow people to "self moderate". If a user gets on your nerves you can personally ignore that user. Everybody else can still see them.
PHPBB also has flood control which would stop idiots who feel the need spam the board now and again.
It's not about avatars or emoticons, it's about a board that has a search that works, where you can ignore people who annoy you, and finally offer private messaging between users.[/QUOTE]
Still, it will help us to reorganize what we want to see or ignore, but we still can do it, and I don't see Richard changing his mind about changing the conception of the forum Pieter. Still your idea is what I think most of us like, including me.
I'm not talking about more moderation with PHPBB3, but it would allow people to "self moderate". If a user gets on your nerves you can personally ignore that user. Everybody else can still see them.
PHPBB also has flood control which would stop idiots who feel the need spam the board now and again.
It's not about avatars or emoticons, it's about a board that has a search that works, where you can ignore people who annoy you, and finally offer private messaging between users.[/QUOTE]
Still, it will help us to reorganize what we want to see or ignore, but we still can do it, and I don't see Richard changing his mind about changing the conception of the forum Pieter. Still your idea is what I think most of us like, including me.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Lester - if I knew how to make the boards better within the rules of the website owner I would certainly do it. I just cannot do it all by myself, I even get tired of being blamed all the time. I am tired of being told how crappy the boards are and the reason is not the users - no - it's the lack of moderation. I am tired of being told that people are too good to post here because they have a life and how pathetic people are who still defend the board. I am tired of being called lazy, inattentive, uncaring, and whatnot. Okay - I can delete TM and Jake Britt and people who start the 345th "random" thread but there will still be someone offended by something another user posts and claim that the other user should be banned. [/QUOTE]
Barb, we all do understand you. I know more about you moderating this and I haven't seen Richard that a lot. I mean: you are the one answering our complains, talking with most of us and being more active here than Richard. He's already a cool guy for doing this thing and sharing it with us from all around the world. I've met people here, I met my actual bf here, I have been here since 2002, I begged once to be deleted and accomplisehd it (which was the most stupid thing I've done in this forum), so we aren't complaining neither about you and nor Richard, we just want to find a soultion.
The Random threads are not that bad, I think the ones using it know the purpose: compiling the nonsense on the same thread and not spreading it in different threads. Remember the time when every single newbie posted a "Hello..." or an "I love you..." thread??? I don't see that from a long while now on the Personal Forum. The only thing that bugs all the forum is TM and the people posing as him. But like I said, I just ignore the guy and move on, and check something else. The thing is that sometimes there's nothing interesting to check or post on.
I miss people like Caspar around here. He would bring subjects who would be like a chaos when a fight started in one of his threads, but his words had something behind and were thought. Not these TM threads that he can't defend himself and just say everyone is brainwashed or is a troll. I miss people like Alex here also, although he won't agree on what is going on here. I even miss the cookies sometimes!!! When Jake brought the Arlene subject, I thought "Why not all the trolls do something productive like that nutcase before she was about to get the money from Sasha???" She was productive in some way, specially when she became the QZ journalist.
Of course people come and go, and that's something that we can't help. But we can do some work when there's a huge lack of respect like the one we're watching nowadays. It's not the freedom of speech, is the lack of respect that is surrounding this board lately. If there's a way to moderate that we should suggest it like Lester and Pieter did, and not be with our arms crossed and let this happen.
Barb, we all do understand you. I know more about you moderating this and I haven't seen Richard that a lot. I mean: you are the one answering our complains, talking with most of us and being more active here than Richard. He's already a cool guy for doing this thing and sharing it with us from all around the world. I've met people here, I met my actual bf here, I have been here since 2002, I begged once to be deleted and accomplisehd it (which was the most stupid thing I've done in this forum), so we aren't complaining neither about you and nor Richard, we just want to find a soultion.
The Random threads are not that bad, I think the ones using it know the purpose: compiling the nonsense on the same thread and not spreading it in different threads. Remember the time when every single newbie posted a "Hello..." or an "I love you..." thread??? I don't see that from a long while now on the Personal Forum. The only thing that bugs all the forum is TM and the people posing as him. But like I said, I just ignore the guy and move on, and check something else. The thing is that sometimes there's nothing interesting to check or post on.
I miss people like Caspar around here. He would bring subjects who would be like a chaos when a fight started in one of his threads, but his words had something behind and were thought. Not these TM threads that he can't defend himself and just say everyone is brainwashed or is a troll. I miss people like Alex here also, although he won't agree on what is going on here. I even miss the cookies sometimes!!! When Jake brought the Arlene subject, I thought "Why not all the trolls do something productive like that nutcase before she was about to get the money from Sasha???" She was productive in some way, specially when she became the QZ journalist.
Of course people come and go, and that's something that we can't help. But we can do some work when there's a huge lack of respect like the one we're watching nowadays. It's not the freedom of speech, is the lack of respect that is surrounding this board lately. If there's a way to moderate that we should suggest it like Lester and Pieter did, and not be with our arms crossed and let this happen.
I also applaud Barb for the crap that she has to deal with when it comes to this forum. Not too long after I came here I saw Lester's original thread about the decline in quality of QZ. These complaints have been tossed around forever. The reason I joined this forum was something similar to Lester: I wanted to make new friends and have intelligent conversation. I have been able to do that, to a certain extent here.
The follow advice I would like to caveat: It is in no way meant to be demeaning to anyone. Heaven knows I'm guilty of spending a lot of time on this board as well.
These complaints will go on forever. People, we need to remember that this is JUST an internet forum. No one should take it seriously enough that they are hurt by anything said here, no matter how bad it is. There are far more serious things in life to deal with. Just as in real life, we cannot control the idiots. I don't mind responding to some of TM's threads simply to sharpen my logic skills and hopefully impress some logic on him. But when he doesn't take it, when he calls me names or accuses me of being a sheep or being stupid, I don't get all bent out of shape about it. He's just a moron anyway, and it's not worth my time. That being said, there are a lot of immature threads posted here...but think about the average age of the posters here; teenagers. What exactly are you expecting? It's only the rare few teenagers who are mature enough to hold intellectual conversation. Some here can do that, but the bulk of them are just immature teenage idiots crying out for attention. Consequently, those are the same people posting the most threads, because guess what? They have the most free time to be able to post (at school and at home). Those of us who are mature enough to hold the kind of conversations that we enjoy have lives outside of this forum. Maybe the technology change that could be made to make it easier to ignore people would help, but I don't have a problem ignoring people who are a waste of my time. The best way to have intelligent conversation is simply to start one, and when some idiot like TM tries to derail it, treat him like the four year old he is acting like...ignore him. However, I have also noticed that many of the "serious topic" threads are NEVER responded to by anyone but the same people. Myself, MagicalFreddieMercury, Microwave, Barb, Sir GH on occasion and some others I can't name right now occasionally keep them going. But don't complain about a lack of serious topics when the ones that are started quickly sink into oblivion because no one wants to discuss them. (You'll notice that a good serious topic thread is here about the polygamy case in Texas, and I can count on 1 hand the number of different posters who have responded) Of course you'll see more of the crap posts that way. If you want serious conversation and serious topics, then respond to them when they are brought up to keep them alive. If you don't, don't whine when they quickly disappear. If there are people out there who want an environment isolated from the idiots in which to discuss things, then create it yourself and keep strict tabs on who can come in. This forum is representative of the real world; more idiots than intelligent people. Don't wait for circumstances to change that, it won't happen. "You have to be the change you want to see in the world" said Ghandi. Remember that. If you don't like the environment here, then create one you can live with, tell your like minded friends about it and enjoy it. Don't rail against the stupidity on an open forum; there is no point because the stupidity will not go away. Either ignore it or hide yourself from it. It is entirely up to the person in question how they respond to this forum. If you want to keep participating here and keep in touch with friends here, then you have to take the bad with the good and learn to deal. If you chose to leave, it was yo
The follow advice I would like to caveat: It is in no way meant to be demeaning to anyone. Heaven knows I'm guilty of spending a lot of time on this board as well.
These complaints will go on forever. People, we need to remember that this is JUST an internet forum. No one should take it seriously enough that they are hurt by anything said here, no matter how bad it is. There are far more serious things in life to deal with. Just as in real life, we cannot control the idiots. I don't mind responding to some of TM's threads simply to sharpen my logic skills and hopefully impress some logic on him. But when he doesn't take it, when he calls me names or accuses me of being a sheep or being stupid, I don't get all bent out of shape about it. He's just a moron anyway, and it's not worth my time. That being said, there are a lot of immature threads posted here...but think about the average age of the posters here; teenagers. What exactly are you expecting? It's only the rare few teenagers who are mature enough to hold intellectual conversation. Some here can do that, but the bulk of them are just immature teenage idiots crying out for attention. Consequently, those are the same people posting the most threads, because guess what? They have the most free time to be able to post (at school and at home). Those of us who are mature enough to hold the kind of conversations that we enjoy have lives outside of this forum. Maybe the technology change that could be made to make it easier to ignore people would help, but I don't have a problem ignoring people who are a waste of my time. The best way to have intelligent conversation is simply to start one, and when some idiot like TM tries to derail it, treat him like the four year old he is acting like...ignore him. However, I have also noticed that many of the "serious topic" threads are NEVER responded to by anyone but the same people. Myself, MagicalFreddieMercury, Microwave, Barb, Sir GH on occasion and some others I can't name right now occasionally keep them going. But don't complain about a lack of serious topics when the ones that are started quickly sink into oblivion because no one wants to discuss them. (You'll notice that a good serious topic thread is here about the polygamy case in Texas, and I can count on 1 hand the number of different posters who have responded) Of course you'll see more of the crap posts that way. If you want serious conversation and serious topics, then respond to them when they are brought up to keep them alive. If you don't, don't whine when they quickly disappear. If there are people out there who want an environment isolated from the idiots in which to discuss things, then create it yourself and keep strict tabs on who can come in. This forum is representative of the real world; more idiots than intelligent people. Don't wait for circumstances to change that, it won't happen. "You have to be the change you want to see in the world" said Ghandi. Remember that. If you don't like the environment here, then create one you can live with, tell your like minded friends about it and enjoy it. Don't rail against the stupidity on an open forum; there is no point because the stupidity will not go away. Either ignore it or hide yourself from it. It is entirely up to the person in question how they respond to this forum. If you want to keep participating here and keep in touch with friends here, then you have to take the bad with the good and learn to deal. If you chose to leave, it was yo
I know it's an Internet forum. I myself have said that in the past, especially when some of the other posters are incapable of making the distinction. When I close my browser, I don't think of Queenzone anymore. It doesn't occupy my thoughts, its decline doesn't keep me up at night, and I don't go to a therapist to complain about the way it used to be and ask for advice on how to deal with the community.
But this is an escape for some, and a way to meet people for others, but, most importantly, it's a way to discuss a band that we love. Is it so much to ask that the riff-raff be dealt with? Evidently so.
I have tried in the past to start thought-provoking threads. Hell, if you search for "Lester's Album Discussion", you'll see that that was my own contribution to spiffing up the place. It worked for a while, and others started their own intelligent threads, but now it's pretty hit or miss.
Anyway, I just wanted to get some discussion going, to see what the general consensus is here regarding the board. But when the attitude of the site's owner is to stay the course and let it all sort itself out, then I guess what I'm doing is futile. I do not fault Barb, and no one else should, because her efforts really should be applauded. She does a hell of a lot of work with so few resources, and good on her for that. But to assume that the majority of Queenzone will ignore the idiots is unrealistic, as is evident by the way people have responded to Treasure Moment in this very thread. (Not a slight against Zebonka, who is one of the few people here who is able to have a corking sense of humor yet still contribute intelligently to a discussion.)
Yes, it is an Internet forum. I get that. We all get that. But why can't we have some kind of standard to make it an enjoyable place?
But this is an escape for some, and a way to meet people for others, but, most importantly, it's a way to discuss a band that we love. Is it so much to ask that the riff-raff be dealt with? Evidently so.
I have tried in the past to start thought-provoking threads. Hell, if you search for "Lester's Album Discussion", you'll see that that was my own contribution to spiffing up the place. It worked for a while, and others started their own intelligent threads, but now it's pretty hit or miss.
Anyway, I just wanted to get some discussion going, to see what the general consensus is here regarding the board. But when the attitude of the site's owner is to stay the course and let it all sort itself out, then I guess what I'm doing is futile. I do not fault Barb, and no one else should, because her efforts really should be applauded. She does a hell of a lot of work with so few resources, and good on her for that. But to assume that the majority of Queenzone will ignore the idiots is unrealistic, as is evident by the way people have responded to Treasure Moment in this very thread. (Not a slight against Zebonka, who is one of the few people here who is able to have a corking sense of humor yet still contribute intelligently to a discussion.)
Yes, it is an Internet forum. I get that. We all get that. But why can't we have some kind of standard to make it an enjoyable place?
I concur with my fellow historian, it is JUST an internet forum.
People take things far too seriously in this place. Yes, trolls do exist, but they haven't stopped intellectual/general/personal topics and discussions from occuring. Surely such a thing can be ignored completely?
I think it's safe to say that these forums will never be fully moderated, so unfortunately you have to make do. Ignore the spammers and trolls then you will enjoy the board. If people choose to respond then that's the main problem.
It's very typical of people on here to complain about the trolls....but then you see the same person that had complained previously respond to a topic a troll has started, where's the sense in that?
People take things far too seriously in this place. Yes, trolls do exist, but they haven't stopped intellectual/general/personal topics and discussions from occuring. Surely such a thing can be ignored completely?
I think it's safe to say that these forums will never be fully moderated, so unfortunately you have to make do. Ignore the spammers and trolls then you will enjoy the board. If people choose to respond then that's the main problem.
It's very typical of people on here to complain about the trolls....but then you see the same person that had complained previously respond to a topic a troll has started, where's the sense in that?
Historygirl and lester, get over yourselves. you are not smart ONE BIT. I actually see you 2 as extremely stupid and naive and thats my opinion of you 2.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME].Jony. wrote: [/QUOTENAME]get a life[/QUOTE]
Who the fuck are you, then?
Unless you're a firefighter, mountain climber, baby-saver or TJ Hooker, you really aren't in a position to utter those words anywhere outside of a Dungeons and Dragons meet.[/QUOTE]
dungeons and dragons? oh my god i'm going to pretend i didnt hear that
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Who the fuck are you, then?
Unless you're a firefighter, mountain climber, baby-saver or TJ Hooker, you really aren't in a position to utter those words anywhere outside of a Dungeons and Dragons meet.[/QUOTE]
dungeons and dragons? oh my god i'm going to pretend i didnt hear that
oops....failed