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but i would also like to point out
that i ABSOLUTLY LOVE the freddie box set. it is one of my most prized possesion, queen related and otherwise and is on promenant display in my home.

I am SO very thankfull for all the work and care that went into it.

If we cant have the missed tracks...I am still so gratefull for what we do have.
And on top of my (an many other peoples) complaint about QP just giving us crap...they have given us alot of good stuff too.
Queen+PR Vancouver 13/04/06 anyone? Please FIND and SHARE it!
God I love it when people try to validate themselves.

Lots of work went into the Freddie boxset. Good for you, GB. But don't get too obsessed about it all. As time goes by it might start to affect your personality; and we wouldn't want that.

:/ Move on!
Interesting idea Phil. How many tracks were missed out?

Adam.
Dear Greg,
In mi case, I think I have always been aware of the hard work creating the FM box set was.
I remember buying it the very same day a copy arrived to my town, and loving every single second of its music and video stuff.
Since those days I have always wanted to know if we would finally listen to the Time 88 musical live tracks as well as the Victory song with Michael Jackson.
Can you also tell us about the reason those recordings could not be part of the box then?

Greg, from one Queen fan to another, thanks for your time.
I hope another post like this can be read soon about the good the Queen box sets have been!!!
In this world of digital downloads, why not just sell the missing tracks on Queen Online?
It would save EMI manufacturing costs.

This is where I get my head bitten off, but does anyone ever listen to that appalling remix album that was included as part of the boxset?
There's a whole 74 minutes of space that could have been put to much better use containing "proper" Freddie tracks, not someone elses remixes.

On a more positive note, I love the Barcelona Sessions disc. If only EMI had allowed more discs in the set...
And all of this because someone pointed out in a completely non-insulting way a mistake on the FM box set.

No wonder fans are disillusioned with Queen Productions.
"Queen is the only band in the world that can play so heavily that your nose bleeds, then offer a silk handkerchief to clean up with."
Agreed.

Sorry Greg - instead of getting into any interesting discussions that may be (but probably aren't) going on, here you are picking up on a small (and by your own admission, repetitive) criticism of something you were involved in.

So off you go, telling us little people how much work you put into it. Now that's fair enough, it was a very good piece of work, but you've phrased it in such patronising terms that it reads as though nobody else could possibly understand the brilliance of your efforts.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of us work hard, lots of us do a good job, and lots of us are unappreciated too...

It's the same with your book. You did the best you could at the time (and I mean that with no subtext), but now 10 years later you get criticised about it. Which demonstrates that people don't read the "first published" date and explains why people use "but it was their last concert" as a reason why Knebworth MUST have been recorded.

But you get very defensive about it - which seems odd. YOU know you did everything you could to produce something worthwhile, so why do you let people get to you? Although I am unpublished, if I produce a piece of work and it gets criticised later, I have to take it on the chin - I certainly wouldn't last long if I used the "I don't see you doing any better" line upon which you frequently fall back.

Hmmm, this reads more like a rant than I intended. Sorry. The FM box is great. Queen Live was a really useful book to me. But its author is suprisingly thin-skinned...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Agreed.

PENETRATION GURU... YOU'RE TWISTING THE MAIN FOCUS OF MY THREAD. AGAIN.

I MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT IT WAS A TEAM OF US THAT PUT THE FM BOX TOGETHER. I SINGLED OUT JUSTIN SHIRLEY-SMITH YOU WILL HAVE NOTICED, WHO CLEARLY IS NOT GREG BROOKS. NEITHER IS JOSH MACRAE GREG BROOKS, WHOM I ALSO POINTED OUT.

MY FOCUS WAS INDEED MAINLY ABOUT ME, MYSELF, I, BECAUSE OF COURSE THE THING I WAS RESPONDING TO WAS AIMED AT ME MYSELF I, AND NO-ONE ELSE. SO THAT'S JUST PURE PRACTICAL LOGIC AND NOTHING TO DO WITH EGO OR ME PATTING MYSELF ON MY BACK... AS YOU TRY TO MAKE IT SEEM.

Sorry Greg - instead of getting into any interesting discussions that may be (but probably aren't) going on,
AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH!!!!
here you are picking up on a small (and by your own admission, repetitive) criticism of something you were involved in.

YES THIS IS TRUE... BUT ONLY BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN.

AND... AS I POINTED OUT EARLY ON, THERE ARE PROBABLY NEW PEOPLE TO QUEENZONE ALL THE TIME, AND THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HERE ON QZ THE FIRST OR LAST TIME I ADDRESSED THE POINT.

SO YOU SEE, PENEGRU, YOU DON'T REACT ENTIRELY FAIRLY AND WITH EQUAL BALNCE TO THE POINTS I MAKE, DO YOU. LIKE OTHERS ON QZ, YOU GET TOO PREOCCUPIED WITH TRYING HAVE A GO AT ME AND SCORE POINTS AT MY EXPENSE... WHICH IS ALSO OK. I'M USED TO THAT. YES, IT WAS REPETITIVE... ONLY FOR THOSE REASONS.

PERHAPS THINK OF 'OTHERS' (WHO WILL BE UNAWARE OF ALL THE HISTORY) BEFORE YOU SO QUICKLY REACT TO MY WORDS.

SO.... REMEMBER THE REASON I COVERED OLD GROND AGAIN. IT WAS FOR THE 'NEW' QZ-ERS AS MUCH AS ANYONE.

So off you go, telling us little people how much work you put into it.

YOU DESCRIBING YOURSELF AS ONE OF THE LITTLE PEOPLE IMPLIES THAT YOU HAVE THAT VIEW OF YOURSELF. I CERTAINLY DO NOT. IF YOU PERCEIVE IT THAT WAY, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT TO IMPLY THAT I THINK LIKE THAT IS JUST YOU PUTTING AN UNNECCESARY SPIN ON IT. YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE I VIEW YOU AS A LESSER PERSON TO ME, BUT YET NOWHERE IN ME THREAD DO I EVEN HINT AT THAT. THIS IS PART OF THE REASON I SPEND LITTLE TIME HERE - BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T REALLY READ CAREFULLY MY MAIN POINT. INSTEAD YOU LOOK FOR WAYS TO PORTRAY ME OR MY POINT IN A PATRONISING WAY. AND THAT IS SO TEDIOUS... IT STOPS ME READING ON AND REPLYING TO OTHER QUESTIONS, LIKE I USED TO.

PENEGRU.... YOU WILL SEE THAT I MADE A SERIOUS AND LEGITIMATE EFFORT TO IMPART SOME BACKGROUND FACTS ABOUT THE MAKING OF THE FM BOX... THE LOMO HYBRID MIX AND ITS ORIGINS, ETC. SO STOP TRYING TO DEVALUE A SENSIBLE AND PRODUCTIVE THREAD WITH YOUR 'I'M JUST A LITTLE PERSON' BULLSHIT. I FIND THAT SO BELITTLING ON SEVERAL LEVELS.

Now that's fair enough, it was a very good piece of work,

GEE! THANKS FOR THAT, MR GRUDGING GURU MAN.

but you've phrased it in such patronising terms that it reads as though nobody else could possibly understand the brilliance of your efforts.

I WAS NOT PATRONISING. WHAT WAS REMOTELY PATRONISING IN IT???

PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST HATE HATE HATE IT WHEN SOMEONE CASUALLY SAYS "YES, I DID A GOOD OR GREAT JOB. OR WE DID A GREAT JOB." IT'S NOT VERY BRITISH TO CONFESS YOU DID GOOD, OR DID GREAT, IS IT!!! GOD FORBIT I SHOULD BE CONFIDENT OR PROUD. WELL, BOLLOCKS THAT.... I AM.

WHY? I DON'T KNOW. IF YOU DO A GREAT JOB, THEN BE PROUD ENOUGH TO SAY SO. PEOPLE ARE QUICK ENOUGH TO POINT OUT A SHIT JOB. WHEN I DO GOOD WORK I'M HAPPY TO SAY SO, HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE I'M PROUD OF IT. I EXPLAINED WE WORKED 16 HOUR DAYS BECAUSE WE DID. IF YOU THINK THAT'S PATRONISING, WHEN IT'S ACCURATE FACT, THEN MORE FOOL YOU GURY BABY.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of us work hard, lots of us do a good job, and lots of us are unappreciated too...

YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE. YOU SOUND BITTER AND RESENTFUL.

WHEREAS I SOUND PROUD AND HAPPY AND GLAD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH GREAT WORK. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF YOU FEEL PATRONISED AND UNAPPRECIATED. THAT WASN'T THE THRUST OF MY POINT, BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALWAYS ZONE IN ON THAT FIRST. YOU HAVE A BIT OF A CHIP ON THE SHOULDER, IT SEEMS, THAT YOU HONE IN ON THOSE THINGS SO FREQUENTLY PENEGRU.

YOU ARE TOTALLY UNABLE TO SHOW THE TINIEST BIT OF GRACE. ALWAYS, IT'S THE PICKY PICK RESENTMENT FIRST.

IT IS, YOU KNOW. YOU ARE ALWAYS INVOLVED IN COMMENTS LIKE THIS GURU. WHY ARE YOU SUCH A GROUCHY BASTARD. DON'T YOU LOVE THE FREDDIE BOX TOO? DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO YOU BESIDES RESENTMENT AND AN IRRESISTABLE COMPULSION TO HAVE A POP AT ME?

It's the same with your book. You did the best you could at the time (and I mean that with no subtext), but now 10 years later you get criticised about it. Which demonstrates that people don't read the "first published" date and explains why people use "but it was their last concert" as a reason why Knebworth MUST have been recorded.

THERE YOU GO, POPPING AGAIN. PENSTRUATION GURU... YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT WHAT I HAVE SAID (RECENTLY) ABOUT KNEBWORTH, BEFORE YOU OFF AGAIN DOWN YOUR ILL-INFORMED ROAD. WHAT I SAID ABOUT KNEBWORTH IS ACCURATE. STOP BEING A BITTER KNOW-ALL TURD AND LISTEN FOR ONCE.

But you get very defensive about it - which seems odd.

LOOK WHO'S TELLING ME THIS!!!!!!!!!

YOU know you did everything you could to produce something worthwhile, so why do you let people get to you?

ONLY SOME PEOPLE.

I REACT WELL TO CONSIDERED CONSTRUCTIVE HELPFUL COMMENTS. YOU CAN ASK 2,000 QUEEN FANS THAT COME AND TALK TO ME AT CONVENTIONS. THEY'LL CONFIRM IT.

BUT PEOPLE WHO PHRASE THINGS LIKE YOU DO, JUST GET MY BACK UP AND THEN YOU GET ALL ARSY WHEN I REACT IN A SIMILAT TONE TO YOU. I SIMPLY TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE SAME LANGUAGE THEY BEST UNDERSTAND - I.E, IN THE SAME WAY THEY TALK TO ME. NO MORE, OR LESS.

IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET GURU PERSON. I'M NOT A MAT FOR YOU TO WALK ALL OVER. I GIVE AS GOOD AS I GET.

Although I am unpublished, if I produce a piece of work and it gets criticised later, I have to take it on the chin -

AND SO DO I, MOST OF THEM TIME. NOT ALL OF THE TIME.

I certainly wouldn't last long if I used the "I don't see you doing any better" line upon which you frequently fall back.

BUT IT'S SO VERY VERY TRUE GURU. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IT. THEY TAKE THE PISS OUT OF ME AND MY WORK, BUT THEN WHEN YOU QUESTION THEM, YOU FIND THAT THEY'RE JUST A LAZY WHINGING MOANING SOD THAT'S NEVER DONE ANYTHING OF USE TO MAN OR BEAST. IT'S EASY TO BE THAT PERSON.

Hmmm, this reads more like a rant than I intended. Sorry. The FM box is great. Queen Live was a really useful book to me. But its author is suprisingly thin-skinned... [/QUOTE]

THIS IS A FAIR COMMENT. YOU ARE CAPABLE OF IT THEN!!!!

BUT ACTUALLY, I HAVE A THICK SKIN. I REACT, AS YOU KNOW, TO PROBABLY 1 COMMENT IN 3 OR 4 THOUSAND THAT ARE AIMED AT ME.

I AM HAPPY TO HEAR CRITIQUES OF MY WORK. I WELCOME IT. I ACTIVELY INVITE COMMETS ABOUT THE STORIES I WRITE, GOOD AND BAD, ALWAYS CONSTRUCTIVE, AND THAT'S GREAT. ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME WELL, WOULD TELL YOU THIS.

BUT SOMETIMES, MAYBE 3 TIMES A YEAR, IF THAT, I WILL COME BACK AT SOMEONE WHO IS AGAIN HAVING A DIG AT ME, BUT WITH VIRTUALLY NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS ON THE INSIDE.

YOU THINK IT'S PATRONISING, GURU, BUT IT IS THE PLAIN TRUTH. UNTIL YOU WORK ON SUCH A MAMMOTH TASK AS THAT FM BOX, HOW COULD YOU HAVE EVEN THE VAGUEST IDEA HOW IT WORKS?????

IT'S THE SAME WITH ANY JOB YOU (OR I) KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

I FEEL JUSTIFIED IN HAVING MY SAY IF PEOPLE, SUCH AS YOU, THINK YOU KNOW VARIOUS THINGS SO VERY WELL, WHEN YOU CLEARLY DON'T - AND WHEN THAT LACK OF INSIGHT STILL DOESN'T STOP YOU GUESSING AND SURMISING THINGS, WHICH ARE USUALLY FAR FROM THE REALITY.
GB
Funny that someone who has written a lot of sleeve-notes to various cd's/boxsets can't make a single readable post on the Internet.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Pim Derks wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Funny that someone who has written a lot of sleeve-notes to various cd's/boxsets can't make a single readable post on the Internet. [/QUOTE]



GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks.

Is that readable enough for you!!
GB
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Pim Derks wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Funny that someone who has written a lot of sleeve-notes to various cd's/boxsets can't make a single readable post on the Internet. [/QUOTE]



GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks.

Is that readable enough for you!![/QUOTE]

Another public relations disaster from Queen Productions' unofficial representative to the fans.
"Queen is the only band in the world that can play so heavily that your nose bleeds, then offer a silk handkerchief to clean up with."
Greg-

I would certainly purchase Phill's idea. Are there enough tracks to open the Freddie creative department again? I would certainly want "your guys" working on it rather than the clowns who currently produce his re-issued material.
Holly 2003, re:

>Another public relations disaster from Queen Productions' unofficial representative to the fans.

Absolutely - the "Official" archivist goes hell for leather in reaching out.

Instead of using one of his rare appearances ont his incredibly wide reaching website to educate and inform, he simply comes on here, gives himself a big slap on the back for helping out on a release that is generally regarded as being pretty topnotch anyhow and then jumps on the backs of anyone daring to "take the rise" or to question what he's posted.

In many ways, we'd all be better off if he didn't bother to post here at all and just appeared at those incredibly well attended fan conventions and put his name to sleeve notes of re-re-re-issues.

No one would then have the excuse of expecting anything from him and he could spend all his time impressing his convention-goers with his expertise.
Benn
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]

GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks.

Is that readable enough for you!![/QUOTE]

Hahahaha.

This man gets paid.

I like QP more now.
Greg - you have received production credits on a number of Freddie recordings. How so? You weren't involved in the sessions nor did you mix them?

Could you please explain in what shape or form you produced any material where the only involvement you presumably had was archiving them and picking them out as releasable??