[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ThomasQuill wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Oh, Inu, you're not bitter. The cheap puns prove you're not. Bitterness and cynicism have few merits, but they are at the least mature emotions. I'd classify you under "sad and angry".[/QUOTE]
Believe me, I'm definitely not a sad person.
Angry and bitter yes. I've had a very rough year, and things are starting to pick up a bit finally, but my attitude and personality has changed a bit cos of certain events over the year.
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Hey Hey Hey now, I don't normally feel the need to defend the US, but saying that you guys are "getting more and more like the US every day" because some random psycho stabbed a guy on the bus is a bit insulting. Psychos aren't limited to the US you know. Believe it or not there are redeeming qualities to the US (though I admit it's hard to believe that a lot of the time, especially after listening to anything that comes out of the current administration's press office).
Anyway...I hope the people on the bus get the support they will need to deal with this. A lot of these people may wind up with PTSD because of this. It sounds like this was a pretty random attack, so it's hard to see how they could pull off a pre-meditated murder charge. As horrible as the story is, it's nothing that can be prevented. Some people simply snap and do crazy shit like this. Unless they have signs before hand, you can't predict or prevent it. That is, unless you want WAY more government intrusion in your lives than you already have.
Anyway...I hope the people on the bus get the support they will need to deal with this. A lot of these people may wind up with PTSD because of this. It sounds like this was a pretty random attack, so it's hard to see how they could pull off a pre-meditated murder charge. As horrible as the story is, it's nothing that can be prevented. Some people simply snap and do crazy shit like this. Unless they have signs before hand, you can't predict or prevent it. That is, unless you want WAY more government intrusion in your lives than you already have.
Well it's one thing to cut someone's head off. It's another to wave it at your fellow commuters afterwards.
Wouldn't surprise me if he'd been on some form of Ice or whatever you guys call it over there.
Wouldn't surprise me if he'd been on some form of Ice or whatever you guys call it over there.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well it's one thing to cut someone's head off. It's another to wave it at your fellow commuters afterwards.
Wouldn't surprise me if he'd been on some form of Ice or whatever you guys call it over there.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I was thinking; if he wasn't completely chemically psychotic from some kind of psychiatric disorder, he was tripping off his ass on something.
Wouldn't surprise me if he'd been on some form of Ice or whatever you guys call it over there.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I was thinking; if he wasn't completely chemically psychotic from some kind of psychiatric disorder, he was tripping off his ass on something.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]MasterHistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hey Hey Hey now, I don't normally feel the need to defend the US, but saying that you guys are "getting more and more like the US every day" because some random psycho stabbed a guy on the bus is a bit insulting. Psychos aren't limited to the US you know. Believe it or not there are redeeming qualities to the US (though I admit it's hard to believe that a lot of the time, especially after listening to anything that comes out of the current administration's press office).
Anyway...I hope the people on the bus get the support they will need to deal with this. A lot of these people may wind up with PTSD because of this. It sounds like this was a pretty random attack, so it's hard to see how they could pull off a pre-meditated murder charge. As horrible as the story is, it's nothing that can be prevented. Some people simply snap and do crazy shit like this. Unless they have signs before hand, you can't predict or prevent it. That is, unless you want WAY more government intrusion in your lives than you already have. [/QUOTE]
As you read in my post, I was referring to the fact that you have by far the highest homicide rate in the Western world. And I'd be completely willing to cite you sources aplenty for that.
Sure there are redeeming qualities. Lots of them. Low levels of violence aren't among them, though.
Anyway...I hope the people on the bus get the support they will need to deal with this. A lot of these people may wind up with PTSD because of this. It sounds like this was a pretty random attack, so it's hard to see how they could pull off a pre-meditated murder charge. As horrible as the story is, it's nothing that can be prevented. Some people simply snap and do crazy shit like this. Unless they have signs before hand, you can't predict or prevent it. That is, unless you want WAY more government intrusion in your lives than you already have. [/QUOTE]
As you read in my post, I was referring to the fact that you have by far the highest homicide rate in the Western world. And I'd be completely willing to cite you sources aplenty for that.
Sure there are redeeming qualities. Lots of them. Low levels of violence aren't among them, though.
Cite away TQ...but you completely miss my point. The first step to hatred is to simplify what something is by associating it with only something bad. That is my point. Anytime something bad happens anywhere in the world, we get blamed for it. The kid who shot up his school in Finland? Must be the American music and culture he bought into. This guy beheading someone else on a bus. Also the fault of the US. The same types of arguments were used against Germany and Japan in WWII. The same class of arguments are used to promote racist views.
My point is that such statements are dangerous and entirely false. Nothing is ever as simple as a classic point of view that doesn't take the complexity of definitions and perspective into account. Yes, the US has faults, and I'll be the first one to admit that. But that's not all we are, and believe it or not it's not our fault when someone goes nuts and beheads someone on a bus in Canada. I count point out MANY flaws in European countries, African countries, Eastern countries, and if I felt the urge I could classify you by them completely and blame anything that happened ever on their influence. But I don't. Events are multi-faceted, and contrary to Ockham's Razor the simplest answer is not always the best one. I give others the respect of not making judgments on their country based only on bad reports; I simply expect the same courtesy to be returned.
My point is that such statements are dangerous and entirely false. Nothing is ever as simple as a classic point of view that doesn't take the complexity of definitions and perspective into account. Yes, the US has faults, and I'll be the first one to admit that. But that's not all we are, and believe it or not it's not our fault when someone goes nuts and beheads someone on a bus in Canada. I count point out MANY flaws in European countries, African countries, Eastern countries, and if I felt the urge I could classify you by them completely and blame anything that happened ever on their influence. But I don't. Events are multi-faceted, and contrary to Ockham's Razor the simplest answer is not always the best one. I give others the respect of not making judgments on their country based only on bad reports; I simply expect the same courtesy to be returned.
MHG, Sir GH also meant by our becoming more like the US every day bit, in that our gov't is hiding more shocking news from the media until certain people pipe up about it, like the taser killing of the Polish guy at Vancouver International Airport in B.C. that very few people were aware of (literally, a handful of people) until weeks later when someone put up their cellphone video recording of the events on YouTube, and only THEN did a nation-wide spark of huge outrage and controversy erupt then.
If people on the bus didn't mention the beheading, we certainly wouldn't know that bit, as (last I read) they haven't confirmed it yet, though it might have been by now.
Our gov't in other words again is becoming like the US gov't in terms of pre-censorship.
Although both our formerly major parties the Conservatives (current head of Canada) and the Liberals both have controversial leaders, I think I will be voting Liberals in the next election.
The Conservatives turned out to be FAR from what we were led to believe they would be when we elected them, and I'm sad about it, cos I was HAPPY to be rid of the Liberal leading Canada cos we all felt we were getting screwed big time. Unfortunately, I was proven wrong as has everyone else.
At least we had a lot more freedom under the Liberals.
Anyways, that's enough about that.
If people on the bus didn't mention the beheading, we certainly wouldn't know that bit, as (last I read) they haven't confirmed it yet, though it might have been by now.
Our gov't in other words again is becoming like the US gov't in terms of pre-censorship.
Although both our formerly major parties the Conservatives (current head of Canada) and the Liberals both have controversial leaders, I think I will be voting Liberals in the next election.
The Conservatives turned out to be FAR from what we were led to believe they would be when we elected them, and I'm sad about it, cos I was HAPPY to be rid of the Liberal leading Canada cos we all felt we were getting screwed big time. Unfortunately, I was proven wrong as has everyone else.
At least we had a lot more freedom under the Liberals.
Anyways, that's enough about that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inu-liger wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"Caton said the victim boarded in Edmonton, was Aboriginal in appearance, was wearing hip-hop clothing and appeared to be around 20 years of age."
Well FUCK yeah. That would explain a lot, knowing those jackass indians that live in this city, especially downtown (I am from Edmonton, so this does not surprise me one bit).
Sorry if I sound racist, but I do not feel sorry for this guy or his family at all.[/QUOTE]
No offence dude, but that's a post that a sweaty dink with std's would say.
Well FUCK yeah. That would explain a lot, knowing those jackass indians that live in this city, especially downtown (I am from Edmonton, so this does not surprise me one bit).
Sorry if I sound racist, but I do not feel sorry for this guy or his family at all.[/QUOTE]
No offence dude, but that's a post that a sweaty dink with std's would say.
theres so many things wrong with this picture:
1. why didnt the guy fight back? its natural to have a fight or flight response to an injury! yes they were on a bus, but one would think the guy would try to fight back.
2. that being said, if the victim was so horribly injured, why did they sit back adn watch instead of trying to save the man (even if it seemed hopeless?) its not like there was 2 kids, a lil old woman and a homeless guy, there were MANY people on that bus, you would think someone would have stepped up to the plate instead of waiting til the guy stopped screaming!?
3. didnt they say the bus driver was stuck on there as well? again, why didnt he take some kind of control? dont they have radios? they couldnt try to subdue the guy on the bus til police got there?
i understand traumatizing events, but you dont just sit back adn watch something that can be stopped.
maybe i missed a couple things but hearing about something like that that could have been easily prevented just happen like that. correct me if im wrong or if i missed some details.
1. why didnt the guy fight back? its natural to have a fight or flight response to an injury! yes they were on a bus, but one would think the guy would try to fight back.
2. that being said, if the victim was so horribly injured, why did they sit back adn watch instead of trying to save the man (even if it seemed hopeless?) its not like there was 2 kids, a lil old woman and a homeless guy, there were MANY people on that bus, you would think someone would have stepped up to the plate instead of waiting til the guy stopped screaming!?
3. didnt they say the bus driver was stuck on there as well? again, why didnt he take some kind of control? dont they have radios? they couldnt try to subdue the guy on the bus til police got there?
i understand traumatizing events, but you dont just sit back adn watch something that can be stopped.
maybe i missed a couple things but hearing about something like that that could have been easily prevented just happen like that. correct me if im wrong or if i missed some details.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH wrote: [/QUOTENAME]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=7886faf4-e8e9-4217-ac1d-66563d16ec9f
So, in other words, unless people who were on the bus would have spoken up, the RCMP would have covered this one up too... ?
We're getting more and more like the US every day. Thanks, Uncle Steve, I mean, PM Harper.
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Wow. Greece is becoming more and more like Canada every day.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26000167/
So, in other words, unless people who were on the bus would have spoken up, the RCMP would have covered this one up too... ?
We're getting more and more like the US every day. Thanks, Uncle Steve, I mean, PM Harper.
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Wow. Greece is becoming more and more like Canada every day.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26000167/
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lady Nyx wrote: [/QUOTENAME]theres so many things wrong with this picture:
1. why didnt the guy fight back? its natural to have a fight or flight response to an injury! yes they were on a bus, but one would think the guy would try to fight back.[/QUOTE]
He was asleep, they said. If he had been waking during a stabbing, he would have not recovered from sleep fully in time to realize and see who was stabbing him.
Plus, this was during night time, and Greyhound buses do not have lights on during nighttime.
I've taken the Greyhound cross-country before, so I can tell you from experience that riding the Greyhound at night, especially through the prairies and mountainous regions that have no streetlights, it is VERY dark on those buses at night, especially in the backseats.
The bus driver sometimes uses a dimmed light, but not often.
[QUOTE]2. that being said, if the victim was so horribly injured, why did they sit back adn watch instead of trying to save the man (even if it seemed hopeless?) its not like there was 2 kids, a lil old woman and a homeless guy, there were MANY people on that bus, you would think someone would have stepped up to the plate instead of waiting til the guy stopped screaming!?[/QUOTE]
They could have tried to stop him, I agree. But the aisles on those buses are not very wide, so it is easy to get cramped, and if loads of people rushed at once to stop him, there could have been even more chaos.
Plus, I don't think they wanted to get stabbed themselves. It must have been scarier than they're letting on, when it was happening.
[QUOTE]3. didnt they say the bus driver was stuck on there as well? again, why didnt he take some kind of control? dont they have radios? they couldnt try to subdue the guy on the bus til police got there?[/QUOTE]
He was not stuck, I don't think. He DID get out and when he was told the murderer was attempting to get on the driver's seat and drive away, he disabled the bus from the rear (which honestly I did not think they had such a control in the panel there, but that's smart they have that enabled! Must have been installed with potential hijacking scenarios in mind however)
As for radios, I would think they have radios yes, but not one that would automatically link to a nearby station that could send out the police or RCMP immediately.
I'm not sure how their radio system works, but I would assume they connect to satellites as there would be no chance of a radio transmitter & receiver every few kilometers in the wide prairies, let alone the regions with surrounding mountains (B.C. and Ontario)
There is one question I feel needs to be added here:
4. WHY was the attacker carrying a knife on his person to begin with??
Obviously, he could not have just procured one out of thin air, nor could he have bought one at any of the pit stops, which leads me to believe this was premeditated. Whether he planned to kill the eventual victim in advance, or whether he had a criteria or something in mind, is something only he can answer, that is if he chooses to, or if they can somehow force the answer out of him.
I hope Greyhound will install airport-style security (including metal detectors) at the departure gates following this, to prevent future murders as well as attacks on bus drivers.
1. why didnt the guy fight back? its natural to have a fight or flight response to an injury! yes they were on a bus, but one would think the guy would try to fight back.[/QUOTE]
He was asleep, they said. If he had been waking during a stabbing, he would have not recovered from sleep fully in time to realize and see who was stabbing him.
Plus, this was during night time, and Greyhound buses do not have lights on during nighttime.
I've taken the Greyhound cross-country before, so I can tell you from experience that riding the Greyhound at night, especially through the prairies and mountainous regions that have no streetlights, it is VERY dark on those buses at night, especially in the backseats.
The bus driver sometimes uses a dimmed light, but not often.
[QUOTE]2. that being said, if the victim was so horribly injured, why did they sit back adn watch instead of trying to save the man (even if it seemed hopeless?) its not like there was 2 kids, a lil old woman and a homeless guy, there were MANY people on that bus, you would think someone would have stepped up to the plate instead of waiting til the guy stopped screaming!?[/QUOTE]
They could have tried to stop him, I agree. But the aisles on those buses are not very wide, so it is easy to get cramped, and if loads of people rushed at once to stop him, there could have been even more chaos.
Plus, I don't think they wanted to get stabbed themselves. It must have been scarier than they're letting on, when it was happening.
[QUOTE]3. didnt they say the bus driver was stuck on there as well? again, why didnt he take some kind of control? dont they have radios? they couldnt try to subdue the guy on the bus til police got there?[/QUOTE]
He was not stuck, I don't think. He DID get out and when he was told the murderer was attempting to get on the driver's seat and drive away, he disabled the bus from the rear (which honestly I did not think they had such a control in the panel there, but that's smart they have that enabled! Must have been installed with potential hijacking scenarios in mind however)
As for radios, I would think they have radios yes, but not one that would automatically link to a nearby station that could send out the police or RCMP immediately.
I'm not sure how their radio system works, but I would assume they connect to satellites as there would be no chance of a radio transmitter & receiver every few kilometers in the wide prairies, let alone the regions with surrounding mountains (B.C. and Ontario)
There is one question I feel needs to be added here:
4. WHY was the attacker carrying a knife on his person to begin with??
Obviously, he could not have just procured one out of thin air, nor could he have bought one at any of the pit stops, which leads me to believe this was premeditated. Whether he planned to kill the eventual victim in advance, or whether he had a criteria or something in mind, is something only he can answer, that is if he chooses to, or if they can somehow force the answer out of him.
I hope Greyhound will install airport-style security (including metal detectors) at the departure gates following this, to prevent future murders as well as attacks on bus drivers.
thank you for not putting me down inu-liger for not knowing some of the details :)
the other thing i was thinking was: the guy jsut had a KNIFE. if it were a gun, it would have been that much harder to stop the guy, but its a knife, compared to other weapons he could have used, that really is not as difficult to stop.
i know in traumatic times people might think 'fend for yourself!' and save your own ass, but i still wonder why a couple people didnt try to get the guy, and/or take the knife out of his hand?
its just baffling.
the other thing i was thinking was: the guy jsut had a KNIFE. if it were a gun, it would have been that much harder to stop the guy, but its a knife, compared to other weapons he could have used, that really is not as difficult to stop.
i know in traumatic times people might think 'fend for yourself!' and save your own ass, but i still wonder why a couple people didnt try to get the guy, and/or take the knife out of his hand?
its just baffling.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lady Nyx wrote: [/QUOTENAME]thank you for not putting me down inu-liger for not knowing some of the details :)
the other thing i was thinking was: the guy jsut had a KNIFE. if it were a gun, it would have been that much harder to stop the guy, but its a knife, compared to other weapons he could have used, that really is not as difficult to stop.
i know in traumatic times people might think 'fend for yourself!' and save your own ass, but i still wonder why a couple people didnt try to get the guy, and/or take the knife out of his hand?
its just baffling.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. D:
Seems to me like there are a hell of a lot of holes in this story... It just sounds so... Bizarre, which I know I said earlier. Hah.
I mean, I know inu-liger said the bus was dark and all, but cutting off a guy's head on public transportation? He doesn't at least scream? No motive at all, or so it seems?
Something isn't freaking right about all this. xD
the other thing i was thinking was: the guy jsut had a KNIFE. if it were a gun, it would have been that much harder to stop the guy, but its a knife, compared to other weapons he could have used, that really is not as difficult to stop.
i know in traumatic times people might think 'fend for yourself!' and save your own ass, but i still wonder why a couple people didnt try to get the guy, and/or take the knife out of his hand?
its just baffling.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. D:
Seems to me like there are a hell of a lot of holes in this story... It just sounds so... Bizarre, which I know I said earlier. Hah.
I mean, I know inu-liger said the bus was dark and all, but cutting off a guy's head on public transportation? He doesn't at least scream? No motive at all, or so it seems?
Something isn't freaking right about all this. xD
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lady Nyx wrote: [/QUOTENAME]thank you for not putting me down inu-liger for not knowing some of the details :)[/QUOTE]
No problem.
Having used the Greyhound before, I wanted to explain some things from first-hand experience.
[QUOTE]the other thing i was thinking was: the guy jsut had a KNIFE. if it were a gun, it would have been that much harder to stop the guy, but its a knife, compared to other weapons he could have used, that really is not as difficult to stop.
i know in traumatic times people might think 'fend for yourself!' and save your own ass, but i still wonder why a couple people didnt try to get the guy, and/or take the knife out of his hand?
its just baffling.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, things like this RARELY happen in Canada.
We all know shit like this can be expected to happen in the States, but it almost never happens here.
And cos of that, I think the people were scared shitless and didn't have a clue what do do.
The man must have had some sort of mental illness like schizophrenia. A normal person doesn't go out pulling random shit like this out of the blue.
No problem.
Having used the Greyhound before, I wanted to explain some things from first-hand experience.
[QUOTE]the other thing i was thinking was: the guy jsut had a KNIFE. if it were a gun, it would have been that much harder to stop the guy, but its a knife, compared to other weapons he could have used, that really is not as difficult to stop.
i know in traumatic times people might think 'fend for yourself!' and save your own ass, but i still wonder why a couple people didnt try to get the guy, and/or take the knife out of his hand?
its just baffling.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, things like this RARELY happen in Canada.
We all know shit like this can be expected to happen in the States, but it almost never happens here.
And cos of that, I think the people were scared shitless and didn't have a clue what do do.
The man must have had some sort of mental illness like schizophrenia. A normal person doesn't go out pulling random shit like this out of the blue.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inu-liger wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
We all know shit like this can be expected to happen in the States, but it almost never happens here.
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Yeah, because, you know, beheadings happen in the states on a regular basis.
We all know shit like this can be expected to happen in the States, but it almost never happens here.
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Yeah, because, you know, beheadings happen in the states on a regular basis.