[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lady Nyx wrote: [/QUOTENAME]theres so many things wrong with this picture:
1. why didnt the guy fight back? its natural to have a fight or flight response to an injury! yes they were on a bus, but one would think the guy would try to fight back.[/QUOTE]
He may have died very swiftly, or have been too surprised and injured to act.
[QUOTE]2. that being said, if the victim was so horribly injured, why did they sit back adn watch instead of trying to save the man (even if it seemed hopeless?) its not like there was 2 kids, a lil old woman and a homeless guy, there were MANY people on that bus, you would think someone would have stepped up to the plate instead of waiting til the guy stopped screaming!?[/QUOTE]
Panic?
[QUOTE]3. didnt they say the bus driver was stuck on there as well? again, why didnt he take some kind of control? dont they have radios? they couldnt try to subdue the guy on the bus til police got there?[/QUOTE]
He sabotaged the bus so the killer couldn't get away, didn't he?
[QUOTE]i understand traumatizing events, but you dont just sit back adn watch something that can be stopped.[/QUOTE]
People don't act rationally in traumatic events. My father and I were held hostage once, several years ago, in the Refugee center where he works. Believe me, reason goes out the window.
[QUOTE]maybe i missed a couple things but hearing about something like that that could have been easily prevented just happen like that. correct me if im wrong or if i missed some details.[/QUOTE]
It's like what they say about war, really: simple things suddenly become grievously difficult.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]MasterHistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Cite away TQ...but you completely miss my point. The first step to hatred is to simplify what something is by associating it with only something bad. That is my point. Anytime something bad happens anywhere in the world, we get blamed for it. The kid who shot up his school in Finland? Must be the American music and culture he bought into. This guy beheading someone else on a bus. Also the fault of the US. The same types of arguments were used against Germany and Japan in WWII. The same class of arguments are used to promote racist views.
My point is that such statements are dangerous and entirely false. Nothing is ever as simple as a classic point of view that doesn't take the complexity of definitions and perspective into account. Yes, the US has faults, and I'll be the first one to admit that. But that's not all we are, and believe it or not it's not our fault when someone goes nuts and beheads someone on a bus in Canada. I count point out MANY flaws in European countries, African countries, Eastern countries, and if I felt the urge I could classify you by them completely and blame anything that happened ever on their influence. But I don't. Events are multi-faceted, and contrary to Ockham's Razor the simplest answer is not always the best one. I give others the respect of not making judgments on their country based only on bad reports; I simply expect the same courtesy to be returned. [/QUOTE]
I never stated or suggested any of the above. I merely pointed out that the US has the highest homicide rate in the Western world, and that it has been spreading throughout North America for the last few years, and I will stand by that. Now, does that mean that every American is a homicidal maniac? Hell no! Does it mean Americans are crazier than Europeans? Hell no! Does it mean the threshold for violence is lower in the US? Possibly. Does it mean that the US is, on average, more violent than Europe? Yes.
My point is that such statements are dangerous and entirely false. Nothing is ever as simple as a classic point of view that doesn't take the complexity of definitions and perspective into account. Yes, the US has faults, and I'll be the first one to admit that. But that's not all we are, and believe it or not it's not our fault when someone goes nuts and beheads someone on a bus in Canada. I count point out MANY flaws in European countries, African countries, Eastern countries, and if I felt the urge I could classify you by them completely and blame anything that happened ever on their influence. But I don't. Events are multi-faceted, and contrary to Ockham's Razor the simplest answer is not always the best one. I give others the respect of not making judgments on their country based only on bad reports; I simply expect the same courtesy to be returned. [/QUOTE]
I never stated or suggested any of the above. I merely pointed out that the US has the highest homicide rate in the Western world, and that it has been spreading throughout North America for the last few years, and I will stand by that. Now, does that mean that every American is a homicidal maniac? Hell no! Does it mean Americans are crazier than Europeans? Hell no! Does it mean the threshold for violence is lower in the US? Possibly. Does it mean that the US is, on average, more violent than Europe? Yes.
Maybe I'm simple-minded but I just don't understand what does this have to do with the U.S!?
Blaming "the U.S" is starting to become an automatic and irrational reaction to almost any wrongdoing. And a device for shifting away the responsibility from those who are in fact to blame.
First, the guy blames the victim for wearing the wrong clothes. Then, he suggests that every member of the Bush administration should be beheaded. I mean, there's something wrong.
That's becoming weird. I mean, pretty soon, if I'm in a rush and happen to roll down the stairway all the way to the floor and crush my head against the wall, I'll be saying, after being taken to the hospital: "Well, you know, that was Bush's fault, I wouldn't be in a hurry if it were not for the capitalist economy which demands me to wake up early for work...".
Like, come on.
Blaming "the U.S" is starting to become an automatic and irrational reaction to almost any wrongdoing. And a device for shifting away the responsibility from those who are in fact to blame.
First, the guy blames the victim for wearing the wrong clothes. Then, he suggests that every member of the Bush administration should be beheaded. I mean, there's something wrong.
That's becoming weird. I mean, pretty soon, if I'm in a rush and happen to roll down the stairway all the way to the floor and crush my head against the wall, I'll be saying, after being taken to the hospital: "Well, you know, that was Bush's fault, I wouldn't be in a hurry if it were not for the capitalist economy which demands me to wake up early for work...".
Like, come on.
Anyone who reads "blaming the US" into my post is seeing things. I am merely remarking how the homicide rate is so much higher there than any place else that passes itself off as civilized with any degree of success. What I blame is accessibility of effective weapons.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Anyone who reads "blaming the US" into my post is seeing things.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's your post in which "blaming the US" is being read, TQ, but rather in posts such as this -
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inu-liger wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
We all know shit like this can be expected to happen in the States...
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I don't think it's your post in which "blaming the US" is being read, TQ, but rather in posts such as this -
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inu-liger wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
We all know shit like this can be expected to happen in the States...
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Wow. This may actually have been the first time that accusations of bashing the US in a topic I posted in weren't addressed to me. That's a whole new sensation!
ThomasQuinn, no need to get defensive, it wasn't addressed to you, really.
I get your point about homicide rate in the U.S. My country doesn't fare that well in this regard either and it's mostly because of drug-trafficking unrelated to the U.S and provided by left-wing terrorist organizations such as FARC.
I get your point about homicide rate in the U.S. My country doesn't fare that well in this regard either and it's mostly because of drug-trafficking unrelated to the U.S and provided by left-wing terrorist organizations such as FARC.
I don't suppose the words "shit happens" still carry any meaning?
If you look at the instances of firearm violence in the US vs. Australia, and then remember that we had the Port Arthur shootings in 1996 (which narrowly beat Virginia Tech in the body count, I believe??) I mean really... it can happen any old where. You only need one nutter.
If you look at the instances of firearm violence in the US vs. Australia, and then remember that we had the Port Arthur shootings in 1996 (which narrowly beat Virginia Tech in the body count, I believe??) I mean really... it can happen any old where. You only need one nutter.