Thanks, Zebonka12.
I attempted to get the conversation going again, and start right off with the insults. Why is everyone acting so immature? I came here to talk about Queen and you fools want to quote each other in posts and say how bloody daft everyone but they are.
So sorry to interrupt, on with the Queen.
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Where's the insult?
He asked a question and I answered it. Twice in one thread, actually. You should be thanking me!
He asked a question and I answered it. Twice in one thread, actually. You should be thanking me!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jake? wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Hadrian wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jake? wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree.
Seven Seas Of Rhye...
Some Day One Day
Misfire
She Makes Me
Good Company
Seaside Rendezvous
Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon
Drowse
Sleeping On The Sidewalk
Who Needs You
All Dead All Dead
If You Can't Beat Them
In Only Seven Days[/QUOTE]
Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs.
I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like:
Cool Cat
Machines
Body Language
Pain is So Close to Pleasure
Don't Lose Your Head
Rain Must Fall
My Baby Does Me
Delilah[/QUOTE]
I don't hate filler songs.
And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know.
Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to.
Machines, filler? Yep.
Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to.
Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep!
Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall.
Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song.
My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was.
Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song.
Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best!
Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned.
Misfire - Tacky.
She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate.
Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing.
Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler.
Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler.
Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody.
Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler!
Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block.
All Dead All Dead - Boring.
If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that?
In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though.[/QUOTE]No.
Cheers,
Hor
Seven Seas Of Rhye...
Some Day One Day
Misfire
She Makes Me
Good Company
Seaside Rendezvous
Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon
Drowse
Sleeping On The Sidewalk
Who Needs You
All Dead All Dead
If You Can't Beat Them
In Only Seven Days[/QUOTE]
Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs.
I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like:
Cool Cat
Machines
Body Language
Pain is So Close to Pleasure
Don't Lose Your Head
Rain Must Fall
My Baby Does Me
Delilah[/QUOTE]
I don't hate filler songs.
And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know.
Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to.
Machines, filler? Yep.
Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to.
Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep!
Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall.
Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song.
My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was.
Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song.
Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best!
Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned.
Misfire - Tacky.
She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate.
Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing.
Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler.
Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler.
Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody.
Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler!
Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block.
All Dead All Dead - Boring.
If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that?
In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though.[/QUOTE]No.
Cheers,
Hor
This is actually a rather easy question to answer.
Remember, they were a highly successful band by now. Able to 'churn out a hit' at will. And yes, 3 of the 4 members were pursuing a solo career.
So do you bring what you think is your best song to the Queen table or save it for your solo album?
Most Queen songs started off as one person's vision and the others put their taste to it. For example, had Freddie kept Bohemian Rhapsody EXACTLY how he'd written it and not allowed the other 3 creative input it would have never been a hit.
So yes, I believe that Invisible Man was sub-par... mainly because Roger was keeping his better stuff for himself. Same as Brian. Same as Freddie.
But imagine Driven By You, Foreign Sand, or Business if they had the Queen treatment?
Remember, they were a highly successful band by now. Able to 'churn out a hit' at will. And yes, 3 of the 4 members were pursuing a solo career.
So do you bring what you think is your best song to the Queen table or save it for your solo album?
Most Queen songs started off as one person's vision and the others put their taste to it. For example, had Freddie kept Bohemian Rhapsody EXACTLY how he'd written it and not allowed the other 3 creative input it would have never been a hit.
So yes, I believe that Invisible Man was sub-par... mainly because Roger was keeping his better stuff for himself. Same as Brian. Same as Freddie.
But imagine Driven By You, Foreign Sand, or Business if they had the Queen treatment?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Hadrian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like:
Cool Cat
Machines
Body Language
Pain is So Close to Pleasure
Don't Lose Your Head
Rain Must Fall
My Baby Does Me
Delilah[/QUOTE]
I have to say the first three songs belong to my favorite queen tunes!
Cool Cat
Machines
Body Language
Pain is So Close to Pleasure
Don't Lose Your Head
Rain Must Fall
My Baby Does Me
Delilah[/QUOTE]
I have to say the first three songs belong to my favorite queen tunes!
I wonder why Fred took I Can't Live With You & Headlong and discarded Driven By You and Last Horison.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]djcamper wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I wonder why Fred took I Can't Live With You & Headlong and discarded Driven By You and Last Horison.[/QUOTE]
Last Horizon was an instrumental, so there would not have been much Freddie could have added to it. It was perfect as-is, I think.
Last Horizon was an instrumental, so there would not have been much Freddie could have added to it. It was perfect as-is, I think.
Why weren't the later albums as good?
They got old, lost their edge, lost that hunger and rawness that defined their early stuff. Although throughout their 80s catalog their was the odd moment of inspiration.
Natural progression really. Happens to most artists. Luckily even their not so good stuff was better than most of the other crap out there.
They got old, lost their edge, lost that hunger and rawness that defined their early stuff. Although throughout their 80s catalog their was the odd moment of inspiration.
Natural progression really. Happens to most artists. Luckily even their not so good stuff was better than most of the other crap out there.
in hindsight for me & it doesn't bother me Queen were a fantastic singles band but pretty much made patchy albums, which explains if you look there is plenty of "work" songs which do help to fill albums hell the beatles had plenty of them & that's lennon & mccartneys own admission
1.) Mack's production style builds up from the ground while the original Baker style built all the way up and tore it down to where it needs. One will reach enough, the other will not leave too much. Both are interesting and similar despite some major shifts, but the wild and crazy parts they didn't want to cut enough of were not gotten to the newer way because they built up instead of down. Or so I gather from the Queen media I've heard over time.
2.) I think Hot Space was a heavy influence of USA supremacy leading them to seek that lower brand of music made here in the USA. And they also were getting pretty tired i'd imagine after 10 years of constant touring.
3.) I think The Works was a bitter Queen working more by themselves and containing a sort of rebelliousness from May in how he over the top does his heavy Tear It Up and Hammer To Fall additions. Also by this time Taylor had been deep into his solo creations, May had been doing things like Starfleet, and all of them were finally relaxing to their rich lives instead of pushing all the time.
4.) A Kind of Magic I think was mostly a combination of the Iron Eagle/Highlander tracks that needed a few extra throw ins to make another album.
5.) The Miracle spawned from a band who hadn't toured much lately, Taylor had been constantly going solo or with The Cross outside of Queen and was tired, and Freddie had just put so much into his Barcelona album. That is why Brian seems to dominate this album all over the place, or so it seems to me.
6.) The last albums from Hot Space to Made In Heaven seemed to contain a greater willingness and acceptance with the idea of alternating earlier songs into different freshly new creations but had them clearly within a more defined sound.
7.) I think the shift to writing as a team instead of seperately may have brought them together more, but I think it had to have made the tracks less important personally and given elements of one's style into a song that wouldn't have had it before.
8.) The 80's electronic/digital recording instruments, keyboards and what not, definitely were nothing like the limitless ability they have today.
9.) One theory I have is that bands reluctantly keep their style and subconsciously they sneak into alternate ways of making music, better or not, simply because they can't stand their songs after 200 plus performances of them.
10.) Lastly, I still think they dropped from a 100 to maybe a 98.9ish in creativity, and I think the Miracle is the most underappreciated of all their albums.
2.) I think Hot Space was a heavy influence of USA supremacy leading them to seek that lower brand of music made here in the USA. And they also were getting pretty tired i'd imagine after 10 years of constant touring.
3.) I think The Works was a bitter Queen working more by themselves and containing a sort of rebelliousness from May in how he over the top does his heavy Tear It Up and Hammer To Fall additions. Also by this time Taylor had been deep into his solo creations, May had been doing things like Starfleet, and all of them were finally relaxing to their rich lives instead of pushing all the time.
4.) A Kind of Magic I think was mostly a combination of the Iron Eagle/Highlander tracks that needed a few extra throw ins to make another album.
5.) The Miracle spawned from a band who hadn't toured much lately, Taylor had been constantly going solo or with The Cross outside of Queen and was tired, and Freddie had just put so much into his Barcelona album. That is why Brian seems to dominate this album all over the place, or so it seems to me.
6.) The last albums from Hot Space to Made In Heaven seemed to contain a greater willingness and acceptance with the idea of alternating earlier songs into different freshly new creations but had them clearly within a more defined sound.
7.) I think the shift to writing as a team instead of seperately may have brought them together more, but I think it had to have made the tracks less important personally and given elements of one's style into a song that wouldn't have had it before.
8.) The 80's electronic/digital recording instruments, keyboards and what not, definitely were nothing like the limitless ability they have today.
9.) One theory I have is that bands reluctantly keep their style and subconsciously they sneak into alternate ways of making music, better or not, simply because they can't stand their songs after 200 plus performances of them.
10.) Lastly, I still think they dropped from a 100 to maybe a 98.9ish in creativity, and I think the Miracle is the most underappreciated of all their albums.
IMO after listening to Queen music for over 30 years and growing up along the way we all change in our music tastes and this is what happened with the 4 members of Queen, their tastes changed - if they had still written and recorded songs like Liar, KQ,YMBF, etc etc in the 80's they would not have got new followers or been in the charts.
Even filler tracks can be enjoyed when in the context of the time written.
Hot Space was for me in 1982 enjoyable being 15 YO staying power and back chat 12" was played to death but that was 26 years ago we all change as does music.
For me Queen have always been my favourite band one i always go back to like mother just enjoy what you like.
Even filler tracks can be enjoyed when in the context of the time written.
Hot Space was for me in 1982 enjoyable being 15 YO staying power and back chat 12" was played to death but that was 26 years ago we all change as does music.
For me Queen have always been my favourite band one i always go back to like mother just enjoy what you like.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ermin wrote: [/QUOTENAME]While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s.
I believe that one of the main reasons is that the band members got estranged from one another and, therefore, lacked more creative input from other members. It is true that, even earlier, they were largely individually responsible for songs. Yet, since they were spending more time together, they could provide more input and creativity to other members.
When it became clear that Freddie was about to die, they re-bonded together and the result was Innuendo, which was reminiscent of earlier efforts.
What do you think? Many people have already said this loss was due to synthesizers etc., but keyboards are heavily present on Innuendo as well. I think it was about their personal relationship more than anything else. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? what loss of creativity? i don't agree...
I believe that one of the main reasons is that the band members got estranged from one another and, therefore, lacked more creative input from other members. It is true that, even earlier, they were largely individually responsible for songs. Yet, since they were spending more time together, they could provide more input and creativity to other members.
When it became clear that Freddie was about to die, they re-bonded together and the result was Innuendo, which was reminiscent of earlier efforts.
What do you think? Many people have already said this loss was due to synthesizers etc., but keyboards are heavily present on Innuendo as well. I think it was about their personal relationship more than anything else. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? what loss of creativity? i don't agree...
Basically Queen's 70`s had a lot of armonic creativity (hope that's well said in English), in the 80's however, they've created the most amazing melodies I have heard. I Want To Break Free, A Kind Of Magic, One Vision, I Want It All, The Show... all are great examples of that. That doesn't mean the 70's had bad melodies, but that was not the main focus of the band, till maybe... A Day At The Races.
Still, the early albums are by far my favourites.
Still, the early albums are by far my favourites.