it saddens me to know this place is supposed to be filled with supporting fans, fuck!
Brian, if u read this, u rock man!, dont listen to these idiots
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Tero.
Absolutely right. If it REALLY bothered Brian, it wouldn't happen, but the machine determines the promotional tools used because they employ marketing professionals who will understand the impact of using a billboard much more so than pandering to one of Brian's whims. If Roger and Paul were bothered about Brian's conviction, then they would have oulled their permission to use their images.
Adolfo.
You're just typical of the type of Queen fan I so despise. Loving the band for everything and anything they do, regardless of how crass it may be or how destructive to the legacy it is. Or, in fact, how ridiculous the members of the band make themselves to be. Be more objective.
Brian's soapbox is laughable for such a seemingly intelligent guy. Roger has the sense to stay away from these types of public pronouncements which could, potentially, damage him.
Absolutely right. If it REALLY bothered Brian, it wouldn't happen, but the machine determines the promotional tools used because they employ marketing professionals who will understand the impact of using a billboard much more so than pandering to one of Brian's whims. If Roger and Paul were bothered about Brian's conviction, then they would have oulled their permission to use their images.
Adolfo.
You're just typical of the type of Queen fan I so despise. Loving the band for everything and anything they do, regardless of how crass it may be or how destructive to the legacy it is. Or, in fact, how ridiculous the members of the band make themselves to be. Be more objective.
Brian's soapbox is laughable for such a seemingly intelligent guy. Roger has the sense to stay away from these types of public pronouncements which could, potentially, damage him.
Benn, you might be missing a point there: "fan" is just short for "fanatic", and that's someone you can NOT reasonably ask objectivity and critical thinking of.
Adolfo, you might be missing a point there: this place is filled with "supporters", and that's someone you MUST reasonably expect objectivity and critical thinking of.
IMVHO
Adolfo, you might be missing a point there: this place is filled with "supporters", and that's someone you MUST reasonably expect objectivity and critical thinking of.
IMVHO
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]regmarha wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think he is very decent to post this. The toughest thing is always to admit one's failure publicly. And this time it's clearly a failure for his idealism.[/QUOTE]
One could also approach this from an objective point of view, and wonder just how strong his conviction were to begin with.
If it is indeed a strong personal idealism, you would expect his friend and bandmate from the past 40 years to feel a bit sympathetic about it when Brian tells his opinion... Right?[/QUOTE]
You're right, Roger is surely there for support. But, you know, you can't always get what you want - no one can always be right and win every argument and situation. No one, not even a band leader, not even a president of a statet. Brian feels strongly about many things in his life and music, and probably at most points he gets things done his way. In this case it's different, he lost for whatever reasons. I mean that's life, admitting that is a strenght, not a weakness.
Benn's saying 'the guy is an idiot' is not really a supportive thing. It's not even respectful.
One could also approach this from an objective point of view, and wonder just how strong his conviction were to begin with.
If it is indeed a strong personal idealism, you would expect his friend and bandmate from the past 40 years to feel a bit sympathetic about it when Brian tells his opinion... Right?[/QUOTE]
You're right, Roger is surely there for support. But, you know, you can't always get what you want - no one can always be right and win every argument and situation. No one, not even a band leader, not even a president of a statet. Brian feels strongly about many things in his life and music, and probably at most points he gets things done his way. In this case it's different, he lost for whatever reasons. I mean that's life, admitting that is a strenght, not a weakness.
Benn's saying 'the guy is an idiot' is not really a supportive thing. It's not even respectful.
regmarha,
--probably at most points he gets things done his way. In this case it's different, he lost for whatever reasons. I mean that's life, admitting that is a strenght, not a weakness.
But the fact that he was openly so horribly appauled at the use of billboard advertising - IN THE FIRST PLACE - was highly hypocritical, considering that Queen had used this medium as a method of advertising / promotion throughout their career. For Brian to then launch in to a tirade anti to it on his PUBLIC soapbox and to then admid that he's a hypocrite leads me to thinking that he does nothing more than shoot from the hip when he posts.
Transfer this kind of thinking to a politician......would you have a high regard for him / her? I certainly wouldn't and, as such, I have little respect for Brian in this regard.
He doesn't deserve it. He is being an idiot ON THIS TOPIC; that's not to say that, over all he is or that I think he is an idiot. Clearly he's not in his fields of expertise (guitar playing, songwriting, astrology, stereo photography etc), but on MANY of the issues he raises within his soapbox, he opens himself up for all of us to see that he's the incredibly sheltered person he has been throughout his career.
By NOT allowing nay-sayers to get to onear him, Brian has no method of determining what may or may not be right on a great number of topics.
The best thing he could do would be to keep clear of ANYTHING that is likely to expose him; he's too far down the line to be able to drag this back.
--probably at most points he gets things done his way. In this case it's different, he lost for whatever reasons. I mean that's life, admitting that is a strenght, not a weakness.
But the fact that he was openly so horribly appauled at the use of billboard advertising - IN THE FIRST PLACE - was highly hypocritical, considering that Queen had used this medium as a method of advertising / promotion throughout their career. For Brian to then launch in to a tirade anti to it on his PUBLIC soapbox and to then admid that he's a hypocrite leads me to thinking that he does nothing more than shoot from the hip when he posts.
Transfer this kind of thinking to a politician......would you have a high regard for him / her? I certainly wouldn't and, as such, I have little respect for Brian in this regard.
He doesn't deserve it. He is being an idiot ON THIS TOPIC; that's not to say that, over all he is or that I think he is an idiot. Clearly he's not in his fields of expertise (guitar playing, songwriting, astrology, stereo photography etc), but on MANY of the issues he raises within his soapbox, he opens himself up for all of us to see that he's the incredibly sheltered person he has been throughout his career.
By NOT allowing nay-sayers to get to onear him, Brian has no method of determining what may or may not be right on a great number of topics.
The best thing he could do would be to keep clear of ANYTHING that is likely to expose him; he's too far down the line to be able to drag this back.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He doesn't deserve it. (...) he opens himself up for all of us to see that he's the incredibly sheltered person he has been throughout his career.
By NOT allowing nay-sayers to get to onear him, Brian has no method of determining what may or may not be right on a great number of topics.[/QUOTE]... very well put, IMVHO...
By NOT allowing nay-sayers to get to onear him, Brian has no method of determining what may or may not be right on a great number of topics.[/QUOTE]... very well put, IMVHO...
Hi Benn, I don't think Brian at the age of 61 is less qualified to say his random thoughts and feelings publicly about anything than you, me, anyone. I agree he shoots from the hip, and that's OK with me, it's a blog after all, not the Bible that he writes. I also agree he's very sensible, this 2 part video from 1992 is just like a therapy session and very revealing about the insecurities he still carries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MN48XTEc1o
I think it's too conservative to say people (musician, politician, whoever) should stick to their opinions for good. I expect my musicians and politicians to adjust to reality from time to time so that they can develop their ideals further. Lying, or the denial of mistakes is what's unforgettable.
Brian's recent rant about the billboards was not about the kind he had used with Queen before. It was about the newest breed, this shiny electronic one that diverts attention from driving. This is the one that's gonna be used for Cosmos Rocks, it's a first time for him to pollute public space so nastily. It might also worth a note, that even if Roger and Jim agreed with Brian about stopping this from happenning, Queen as a unit would have to fight this through EMI and maybe the band spares serious fighting for more serious issues of harming their ideals.
Announcing his sorrow about the inability to defend an ideal of his makes him even more a gentleman.
I think it's too conservative to say people (musician, politician, whoever) should stick to their opinions for good. I expect my musicians and politicians to adjust to reality from time to time so that they can develop their ideals further. Lying, or the denial of mistakes is what's unforgettable.
Brian's recent rant about the billboards was not about the kind he had used with Queen before. It was about the newest breed, this shiny electronic one that diverts attention from driving. This is the one that's gonna be used for Cosmos Rocks, it's a first time for him to pollute public space so nastily. It might also worth a note, that even if Roger and Jim agreed with Brian about stopping this from happenning, Queen as a unit would have to fight this through EMI and maybe the band spares serious fighting for more serious issues of harming their ideals.
Announcing his sorrow about the inability to defend an ideal of his makes him even more a gentleman.
Haha. I haven't looked on Brian's site in AGES....
Kind of admire Brian for trying to use his site for some good causes. A lot better than most other celebrities and rock stars.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]regmarha wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're right, Roger is surely there for support. But, you know, you can't always get what you want - no one can always be right and win every argument and situation. No one, not even a band leader, not even a president of a statet. Brian feels strongly about many things in his life and music, and probably at most points he gets things done his way. In this case it's different, he lost for whatever reasons. I mean that's life, admitting that is a strenght, not a weakness.[/QUOTE]
What exactly has Brian admitted to here?
That he's not a hypocrite, and any advertisements you might see are there because "the others" wanted them. How noble of him. :P
Fair enough, it's a business decision just like any other the band has made in the past years. It does however present itself with two possible explanations (or a combination of the two) which are bad and worse, depending on which of the guys is your favourite member:
a) Brian feels strongly about something, and his friend and bandmate of 40 years votes against him to shift a few more copies of their album.
b) Brian doesn't feel that strongly about the advertisements of his own products, and this "admission" is nothing more than a cover up.
Or maybe we should just assume Brian and Roger are both saints in this matter, and this vote was actually won by Jim Beach, Freddie's ghost, and John Deacon's secret lover? ;)
What exactly has Brian admitted to here?
That he's not a hypocrite, and any advertisements you might see are there because "the others" wanted them. How noble of him. :P
Fair enough, it's a business decision just like any other the band has made in the past years. It does however present itself with two possible explanations (or a combination of the two) which are bad and worse, depending on which of the guys is your favourite member:
a) Brian feels strongly about something, and his friend and bandmate of 40 years votes against him to shift a few more copies of their album.
b) Brian doesn't feel that strongly about the advertisements of his own products, and this "admission" is nothing more than a cover up.
Or maybe we should just assume Brian and Roger are both saints in this matter, and this vote was actually won by Jim Beach, Freddie's ghost, and John Deacon's secret lover? ;)
regmarha, re:
--I agree he shoots from the hip, and that's OK with me, it's a blog after all, not the Bible that he writes.
But it is the bible according to Brian May. The definition (or close to anyhow) of a Soapbox can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox
Now, given what has gone on with Brian in the last few days (and over a significantly longer period of time on a number of different subjects), we're supposed to believe that it's OK for Brian to take a stance on something he finds abhorrent, only then for him to not find it too abhorrent because it's for the greater good of his latest venture? That's more than hypocrisy IMO.
--I think it's too conservative to say people (musician, politician, whoever) should stick to their opinions for good. I expect my musicians and politicians to adjust to reality from time to time so that they can develop their ideals further. Lying, or the denial of mistakes is what's unforgettable.
It is, but then how do you trust what you're being told if that's what influences your decisions? Did you agree with Brian's post about the billboards initially? Do you now not agree with it?
--Brian's recent rant about the billboards was not about the kind he had used with Queen before. It was about the newest breed, this shiny electronic one that diverts attention from driving.
Where did he distinguish between the two? There is no difference at all between them other than the fact that the new ones show multiple images; it's still giant imagery however you package it.
He's never displayed a clarity of thought on the Soapbox. If the site were given a more appropriate name, perhaps we would then expect less........
--I agree he shoots from the hip, and that's OK with me, it's a blog after all, not the Bible that he writes.
But it is the bible according to Brian May. The definition (or close to anyhow) of a Soapbox can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox
Now, given what has gone on with Brian in the last few days (and over a significantly longer period of time on a number of different subjects), we're supposed to believe that it's OK for Brian to take a stance on something he finds abhorrent, only then for him to not find it too abhorrent because it's for the greater good of his latest venture? That's more than hypocrisy IMO.
--I think it's too conservative to say people (musician, politician, whoever) should stick to their opinions for good. I expect my musicians and politicians to adjust to reality from time to time so that they can develop their ideals further. Lying, or the denial of mistakes is what's unforgettable.
It is, but then how do you trust what you're being told if that's what influences your decisions? Did you agree with Brian's post about the billboards initially? Do you now not agree with it?
--Brian's recent rant about the billboards was not about the kind he had used with Queen before. It was about the newest breed, this shiny electronic one that diverts attention from driving.
Where did he distinguish between the two? There is no difference at all between them other than the fact that the new ones show multiple images; it's still giant imagery however you package it.
He's never displayed a clarity of thought on the Soapbox. If the site were given a more appropriate name, perhaps we would then expect less........
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He's never displayed a clarity of thought on the Soapbox. If the site were given a more appropriate name, perhaps we would then expect less........ [/QUOTE]... I am afraid I have to disagree on that: a soapbox is the very last place where I'd expect to find clarity of thought, as it is by definition the place where you outpour about things that you are not in a right frame of mind to consider objectively and discuss calmly...
So the name seems appropriate to me, the public expectations a bit less...
IMVHO as usual
So the name seems appropriate to me, the public expectations a bit less...
IMVHO as usual
gnomo,
--as it is by definition the place where you outpour about things that you are not in a right frame of mind to consider objectively and discuss calmly
I read is as being a place you go to in order to "say what you know to be true" - after all, why get on your Soapbox unless you have the courage of your convictions?
.......but yeah - I getcha!
--as it is by definition the place where you outpour about things that you are not in a right frame of mind to consider objectively and discuss calmly
I read is as being a place you go to in order to "say what you know to be true" - after all, why get on your Soapbox unless you have the courage of your convictions?
.......but yeah - I getcha!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I read is as being a place you go to in order to "say what you know to be true" - after all, why get on your Soapbox unless you have the courage of your convictions?
.......but yeah - I getcha![/QUOTE]Benn, I supposed it could be a matter of vocabulary.
I think that the place you'd go to in order to "say what you know to be true" would be a *pulpit* (like a priest or a preacher).
While I think that a *soapbox* is where you "say aloud things that you are furious/unhappy/happy/confused about", and that you often don't even understand, and that you probably would not say at all if you just stopped to think clearly for a minute or two before.
Which is what he seems to do with *his* soapbox most times.
FWLIW
.......but yeah - I getcha![/QUOTE]Benn, I supposed it could be a matter of vocabulary.
I think that the place you'd go to in order to "say what you know to be true" would be a *pulpit* (like a priest or a preacher).
While I think that a *soapbox* is where you "say aloud things that you are furious/unhappy/happy/confused about", and that you often don't even understand, and that you probably would not say at all if you just stopped to think clearly for a minute or two before.
Which is what he seems to do with *his* soapbox most times.
FWLIW
Gnomo,
Incredibly well put.
I suppose it perhaps boils down to me expecting too much of Brian. Viewing his posts as his out and out conviction when, in reality, he's simply opening the oracle. His elevated status from the doctorate and various honorary degrees has, perhaps, lead me off the garden path.
Should I expect a rock guitarist to be so adroit? Well, I've been following Townshend for this long, I kind of expect it.
A bit like us all here.
Incredibly well put.
I suppose it perhaps boils down to me expecting too much of Brian. Viewing his posts as his out and out conviction when, in reality, he's simply opening the oracle. His elevated status from the doctorate and various honorary degrees has, perhaps, lead me off the garden path.
Should I expect a rock guitarist to be so adroit? Well, I've been following Townshend for this long, I kind of expect it.
A bit like us all here.