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Well it clearly seems so that there seems to be an underground cult of 'Classic Queen Fans' formed in recent times, judging by all the trolls who've been popping up lately, esp. around TCR's release. All of whom use the same chidish tactics to piss us off and try to prevent us buying into TCR and its accompanying tour, as if it were a disease. Someone on QOL called me 'sick' for admitting that I own 3 copies of the album because I thought it was *that good*.

We can't even have civilized positive topics about Q+PR and/or TCR without you bastards interjecting your doctrine upon us, thus ruining our otherwise-fun topics. So why should you expect us not to try and ruin your anti-QPR threads in return?

'Tit for tat' as they say, unfortunately.

And you guys are so fucking close-minded, it's not even funny.

Move on. Get a life. I don't care what your church's doctrinal bible says, Freddie's ressurection will never happen, KAPEESH?

Losers.
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AMEN!
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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]



Well it clearly seems so that there seems to be an underground cult of 'Classic Queen Fans' formed in recent times


Losers.

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You see, this is where your logic is laughable.  "Classic Queen Fans" were on here long before Queen+Paul Rodgers was even thought of.  To suggest it's some sort of "underground cult" or some sort of cumupance reaction to the failure of "TCR", on a QUEEN FORUM for crying out loud, is pathetic.


"TCR" doesn't measure up to classic Queen.  Deal with it.
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We can't even have civilized positive topics about Q+PR and/or TCR without you bastards interjecting.....

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There's only so many times you can say "Well, I liked it" when there's so many things to say about what's wrong with it, and in hindsight, where it went wrong.  Sadly.
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Move on. Get a life. I don't care what your church's doctrinal bible says, Freddie's ressurection will never happen, KAPEESH?

Losers.
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I can't see what you intend to achieve on here by being negative about the original Queen.

You make being a fan of Freddie Mercury sound like a bad thing, on a QUEEN FORUM.  Amazing.
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[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]

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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]




Move on. Get a life. I don't care what your church's doctrinal bible says, Freddie's ressurection will never happen, KAPEESH?

Losers.

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I can't see what you intend to achieve on here by being negative about the original Queen.

You make being a fan of Freddie Mercury sound like a bad thing, on a QUEEN FORUM.  Amazing. [/QUOTE]
Well you make being a fan of Paul Rodgers sound like a bad thing.
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[b]lalaalalaa wrote: [/b]

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[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]





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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]







Move on. Get a life. I don't care what your church's doctrinal bible says, Freddie's ressurection will never happen, KAPEESH?

Losers.





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I can't see what you intend to achieve on here by being negative about the original Queen.

You make being a fan of Freddie Mercury sound like a bad thing, on a QUEEN FORUM.  Amazing. [/QUOTE]
Well you make being a fan of Paul Rodgers sound like a bad thing. 





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Touche.

Also, I note that the 'Classic Queen Fans' seem to comprise mainly of 30+ year olds who can actually remember BEING around when Freddie was alive and all. And I wasn't old enough to remember Freddie being alive (having been born in 1986).
So maybe this is where a certain line of thought is being drawn? Cos it seems the younger generation is a hell of a lot more accepting than the old folk who'd rather sit there and ramble on about the good ol' days like it was doctrinal FACT instead of being hip and trying something new without complaint ;-)

One serious question to those said folk: Do you honestly rank TCR *lower* than the album 'Hot Space" (which be also known as "OOPS"?)
No skirting around that ;-)
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I note that the 'Classic Queen Fans' seem to comprise mainly of 30+
year olds who can actually remember BEING around when Freddie was alive
and all. And I wasn't old enough to remember Freddie being alive
(having been born in 1986).
So maybe this is where a certain line
of thought is being drawn? Cos it seems the younger generation is a
hell of a lot more accepting than the old folk who'd rather sit there
and ramble on about the good ol' days like it was doctrinal FACT
instead of being hip and trying something new without complaint ;-)[/QUOTE]

Touche #2. By having nothing to compare with than VHS/DVDs and CDs and stories told about us old guys, TCR/QPR lovers can't understand the differences between these 2 bands. How many times one has been told about a certain "seminal" artist or band and when they go check their works, it's "disappointing". See how much Beatles (or Stones) have an impact in new generations. They think they are Oasis clones. One thing was to sing in front of 200,000 people wearing fake boobs in 1985, in a homophobic country. Anyone does that today and it's "fun".

Still, it's not an excuse. It's OK to like TCR and QPR. To say that it's brillliant is what makes me confused.

[QUOTE]One serious question to those said folk: Do you honestly rank TCR
*lower* than the album 'Hot Space" (which be also known as "OOPS"?)[/QUOTE]

Yes. It was not their cup of tea and it was like Britney Spears singing opera, but it's better than an average (as in "any other band could have done it") work like TCR.
Well, maybe it may not be brilliant in your eyes. At the same time, you guys keep forgetting (or just plain ignoring the fact) that no two Queen albums sounded the same. Queen always took on a new direction, wherever they felt like going, and this continues it.

At the same time, this album is a hell of a lot more lively than some of their last albums with Freddie.
I certainly applaud for one, the fact that Roger Taylor plays drums on all tracks LIVE, as opposed to using the EuroPop-style synth drums that killed the concept of the albums being Queen as a whole. Programmed drums and bass do not make for a wholly band-sounding song or album, sorry to say. I would go as far as to say TCR is MORE of a classic-type album in terms of production and sound than AKOM, Miracle, etc etc were. You cannot deny that.

I am glad they sacked David Richards since then, as I have come to realize that ever since they went with him, the album production values went downhill, songwriting aside (I am not saying they made a load of crap songs, but those songs COULD have ended up better in terms of production and sound, but whatever. That is water long gone under the bridge)
One other thing: Never compare Queen to Bitchney Spears. Her talent is nowhere near that of Queen.
Real musicians let alone singers SHOULDN'T need to rely on a stale factory of 'team songwriters' who only try to appeal to tweens. Queen RARELY worked with outside songwriters.
Well I can honestly put TCR above A Kind Of Magic and Flash Gordon easily.  Not sure about Hot Space cause I like that album.
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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]















Move on. Get a life. I don't care what your church's doctrinal bible says, Freddie's ressurection will never happen, KAPEESH?

Losers.













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I can't see what you intend to achieve on here by being negative about the original Queen.

You make being a fan of Freddie Mercury sound like a bad thing, on a QUEEN FORUM.  Amazing. [/QUOTE]
Well you make being a fan of Paul Rodgers sound like a bad thing. 





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For one thing, this is not a Paul Rodgers Fan Forum.  If he wasn't performing with Queen, we wouldn't be discussing him at any length.

But it shows how empty you two are as I've stated numerous times, I am a big fan of Rodgers, and the two remaining members of Queen.

The fact remains that "TCR" was underwhelming and a failure, and the very concept of Q+PR was fraught with danger from the start.

It's understandable where your bitterness comes from.  You never saw the real Queen, were never around in their heyday and have nothing to compare the "TCR" era to the real thing.

You're more accepting of a poor piece of work like "TCR" not because you're young, but when it comes to new Queen music, it's all you have short of taking a trip in the TARDIS.

You may prefer "TCR" to a lot of the real Queen's back catalogue.  Who cares, you're in a very small minority at the end of the day.  "Hot Space" may not've been Queen's crowning glory, but a lot more people liked it than "TCR"

I wonder why?
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....old folk who'd rather sit there and ramble on about the good ol' days like it was doctrinal FACT instead of being hip and trying something new without complaint ;-)





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You know, I honestly thought you were even younger.  What does that say....

You must be real "hip" digging "TCR"......

....and they say young folk would like any old rubbish.  As you yourself say "without complaint"

The irony from this girl is hilarious.

And as for "doctrinal FACT"  Look it up. 

Nobody here needs to glamourise Queen's past glories.  As opposed to you who seems to want to denigrate them in an attempt to give Q+PR more credibility.

Pathetic and bitter.  Enjoy your collection of Q+PR albums, even though all three of them are the same record.  Can't see there being too many more......
Listen, I'm sick and tired of reading your bullshit arguments over and over about this not being the "real Queen".

I'm sick and tired of trying to argue with you assholes over such petty issues as this. And so is everyone else.

You guys were at one point yourselves wanting and clamouring to no end for a NEW Queen album, and you KNEW it wouldn't have Freddie on it at all if that were to happen. We all accepted that, no?

I'm sure you guys didn't have nowhere NEAR these kind of issues when Brian, Roger and John got back together for the one-off single "No-One But You (Only The Good Die Young)", which was CLEARLY recorded and released under the name Queen.

Yet enter Paul Rodgers into the picture, a "nobody" as far you guys were concerned, rather than Robbie "I'm the next fucking Freddie Mercury" Williams or George Michael. And enter also the denigrates of Queen fandom to start bashing PR right from the beginning without even giving him a fucking chance.

I think your standards are way too high, for one. I seriously doubt anything can top ANATO, not even Queen II. And I am NOT saying TCR is better than ANATO, so don't you dare go putting words in my mouth.

However, I think TCR is more of a Queen album in terms of production and sound than their 80's output ever were, lead singer aside. This album is RAW. It's FRESH, and I don't think ever really gets boring. Whereas their 80's albums had quite some fillers than you'd obviously care to admit.



I just don't understand why you guys feel the incessant need to keep on playing your broken records repeatedly even 4 years on.

But whatever. People like you always continue the drivel on and on regardless of the feelings of the majority, and continue to drive away the more sensible people away from boards like this and QOL.


And you are clearly a minority, as going by apparent tour attendance statistics, surely 1 million fans can't be wrong? And there are what, 20 of you? (Maybe less, taking into account multiple alternate accounts across different boards ;-)
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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]

(...) I would go as far as to say TCR is MORE of a classic-type album in terms of production and sound than AKOM, Miracle, etc etc were. You cannot deny that.

I am glad they sacked David Richards since then, as I have come to realize that ever since they went with him, the album production values went downhill, songwriting aside (I am not saying they made a load of crap songs, but those songs COULD have ended up better in terms of production and sound, but whatever. That is water long gone under the bridge) [/QUOTE]

I never denied it. And about the productions, it was the 80's. I guess they were a bit lost with the new stuff (synths etc.), and it wasn't their cup of tea, which is the same analogy as I did with Britney. I never compared Queen to her - where did you read it? I just said that HS was about the same to Queen as she (or Madonna or any shitty pop artist with auto-tuned voices) in an opera.
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Listen, I'm sick and tired of reading your bullshit arguments over and over about this not being the "real Queen". [/QUOTE]
Well if there weren't too many people still treating QPR as the "real Queen" it wouldn't happen.

[QUOTE]I'm sick and tired of trying to argue with you assholes over such petty issues as this. And so is everyone else.
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Well... stop doing it then.

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You guys were at one point yourselves wanting and clamouring to no end
for a NEW Queen album, and you KNEW it wouldn't have Freddie on it at
all if that were to happen. We all accepted that, no?
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Are you sure that everybody wanted a new album? I speak for myself, and to me it could have easily stopped at Innuendo.

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you guys didn't have nowhere NEAR these kind of issues when Brian,
Roger and John got back together for the one-off single "No-One But You
(Only The Good Die Young)", which was CLEARLY recorded and released
under the name Queen.[/QUOTE]

3/4 is more than 2/4, for the maths in here. And it still was Queen the same way as it is now and all the others. It was a different thing though, more like a final tribute. It was so much more authentic than QPR that even John was in it.

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beginning without even giving him a fucking chance.[/QUOTE]

"We" gave him a chance, didn't we? He made an album and a big tour, and had a lot of time.

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However, I think TCR is more of a Queen album in terms of production
and sound than their 80's output ever were, lead singer aside. This
album is RAW. It's FRESH, and I don't think ever really gets boring.
Whereas their 80's albums had quite some fillers than you'd obviously
care to admit.[/QUOTE]

Fillers exist in every album. Fresh? Not really. Raw? Hrm. Yes. It needs more cooking time. Maybe if what makes a Queen album that good is the production, let's do as some suggested in other threads and bring back RTB.

[QUOTE]People like you always continue the drivel on and on
regardless of the feelings of the [b]majority[/b],[/QUOTE]

ROFL (sorry)

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And you are clearly a minority, as going by apparent tour attendance
statistics, surely 1 million fans can't be wrong? And there are what,
20 of you? (Maybe less, taking into account multiple alternate accounts
across different boards ;-) [/QUOTE]

Ok, I'm not sorry. ROFL.