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[b]JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: [/b]
im still waiting for the day when a Buddhist blows himself up in a shopping mall
and whoever said that Islam is the most violent religion in the world today obviously doesnt live in Ulster/Northern Ireland,they kill each other just for wearing an orange sash or playing the flute there..[/QUOTE]
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[b]JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:
[/b]im still waiting for the day when a Buddhist blows himself up in a shopping mall
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Japan subway bombings of the 1990s.
[b]JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:
[/b]im still waiting for the day when a Buddhist blows himself up in a shopping mall
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Japan subway bombings of the 1990s.
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[b]Saif wrote:[/b]
And we all know what a tyrant and paedophile Muhammad
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I hadn't heard about that and I just checked it out. Married a 6 year old and slept with her when she was 9, and he was in his 50s at the time? Shocking indeed.
But who cares? I don't care what is written in which book as long as people don't kill scores of total strangers for some pathetic dream of getting a lot of virgins in heaven or some other stupid reason.
Obviously not all Muslims are terrorists. But it has to be accepted that violence/terrorism should be considered a major concern by Muslims today.
[b]Saif wrote:[/b]
And we all know what a tyrant and paedophile Muhammad
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I hadn't heard about that and I just checked it out. Married a 6 year old and slept with her when she was 9, and he was in his 50s at the time? Shocking indeed.
But who cares? I don't care what is written in which book as long as people don't kill scores of total strangers for some pathetic dream of getting a lot of virgins in heaven or some other stupid reason.
Obviously not all Muslims are terrorists. But it has to be accepted that violence/terrorism should be considered a major concern by Muslims today.
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[b]ParisNair wrote: [/b]
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[b]JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:
[/b]im still waiting for the day when a Buddhist blows himself up in a shopping mall
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Japan subway bombings of the 1990s.[/QUOTE]
They weren't buddhists, but some crazy-assed cult. As related to Buddhism as Branch-Davidians were to Christianity.
[b]ParisNair wrote: [/b]
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[b]JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:
[/b]im still waiting for the day when a Buddhist blows himself up in a shopping mall
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Japan subway bombings of the 1990s.[/QUOTE]
They weren't buddhists, but some crazy-assed cult. As related to Buddhism as Branch-Davidians were to Christianity.
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[b]ParisNair wrote: [/b]
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[b]Saif wrote:[/b]
And we all know what a tyrant and paedophile Muhammad
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I hadn't heard about that and I just checked it out. Married a 6 year old and slept with her when she was 9, and he was in his 50s at the time? Shocking indeed.
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We're talking about the early middle ages (in European reckoning) here. The same happened in the Christian world.
[b]ParisNair wrote: [/b]
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[b]Saif wrote:[/b]
And we all know what a tyrant and paedophile Muhammad
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I hadn't heard about that and I just checked it out. Married a 6 year old and slept with her when she was 9, and he was in his 50s at the time? Shocking indeed.
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We're talking about the early middle ages (in European reckoning) here. The same happened in the Christian world.
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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
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[b]ParisNair wrote: [/b]
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[b]JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:
[/b]im still waiting for the day when a Buddhist blows himself up in a shopping mall
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Japan subway bombings of the 1990s.[/QUOTE]
They weren't buddhists, but some crazy-assed cult. As related to Buddhism as Branch-Davidians were to Christianity.[/QUOTE]
Well the leader of that "crazy-assed cult" did state that their ideology was influenced by Budhhism, among other philosophies. The guy had spent a long time in India studying Buddhism and Hinduism. I might have read that on wikipedia but i'm not sure.
[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
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[b]ParisNair wrote: [/b]
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[b]JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:
[/b]im still waiting for the day when a Buddhist blows himself up in a shopping mall
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Japan subway bombings of the 1990s.[/QUOTE]
They weren't buddhists, but some crazy-assed cult. As related to Buddhism as Branch-Davidians were to Christianity.[/QUOTE]
Well the leader of that "crazy-assed cult" did state that their ideology was influenced by Budhhism, among other philosophies. The guy had spent a long time in India studying Buddhism and Hinduism. I might have read that on wikipedia but i'm not sure.
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PUNE: After nearly four years, Ajmal Kasab, the sole surviving Pakistani gunman involved in the Mumbai attacks, was hanged to death at the Yerawada central prison here this morning in a top-secret operation.
Kasab was buried inside the premises of Pune's Yerawada Central Jail shortly after he was hanged, Maharashtra chief minister Prithviraj Chavan said.
"Ajmal Kasab was hanged at 7.30am," Maharashtra home minister R R Patil said in Mumbai shortly after the hanging. Pakistan government was kept informed about the execution.
The execution in the Mumbai attack trial brought closure to many in the audacious strike by 10 terrorists of Pakistan-based terror outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in which 166 people were killed. Nine LeT men were killed during the 60-hour siege which began on the night of November 26, 2008.
The prison authorities remained tight-lipped about the details of hanging performed in a well-guarded secret operation amid reports that Kasab did not have any death wish.
Kasab was executed after he exhausted all legal remedies available to escape the noose with President Pranab Mukherjee rejecting his mercy plea following the advice of the Union home ministry.
Inspector general of Prisons (Maharashtra) Meeran Borwankar refused to respond media queries on the execution of Kasab.
There was, however, no official word or briefing by the jail authorities on the last rites of the hanged convict.
Union home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said Pakistan was informed about the execution of Kasab.
"With the execution of Kasab, we have completed the judicial procedure of 26/11 case." Shinde said in Delhi.
The Indian High Commission in Islamabad informed Pakistan government about Kasab's hanging through letter, he said, adding Pakistan refused to take the letter, which was then sent through fax.
External affairs minister Salman Khurshid said the obligation of keeping Pakistan informed about the hanging was fulfilled.
Special Public Prosecutor Ujjwal Nikam, who appeared for police in the case said the hanging is a "victory" for the country.
"Due process of law has been followed," Patil said, adding that hanging was carried out after President Mukherjee rejected Kasab's mercy petition on November 8. He said Kasab did not have any death wish.
"This is a true homage to the innocent victims, including policemen and security personnel, who laid down their lives," he said.
"Attack on Mumbai was an attack on the entire country," Patil said.
"I do not think there will be any trouble (if Kasab is buried in India) because India has suffered too much and everyone.... and this country has seen the tragedy. 166 people were killed after there days fight against humanity," he said.
Khurshid said India did not get any request from Pakistan for handing over the body of Kasab.
Nikam said by hanging Kasab the country has paid homage to all those policemen and innocent persons who lost their lives.
"By Kasab's conviction and death penalty, we have proved how the entire conspiracy was hatched in Pakistan. We have set an example that India will not tolerate such attacks and the accused will be brought to justice," Nikam told reporters in Mumbai.
Nikam appeared for the prosecution in the sessions court and High Court and assisted senior counsel Gopal Subramanium in the apex court.
A group of Shiv Sena workers raised slogans 'Vande Mataram' slogans outside the Yerawada jail hailing the hanging of Kasab and demanded that simialr justice be meted out to Parliament attack case death row convict Afzal Guru.
Kasab had been lodged in the Arthur Jail Road in Mumbai ever since he was arrested immediately after the attack in 2008. He was convicted and given capital punishment by the trial court on May 6, 2010 which was upheld by the Bombay High Court on February 21, 2011.
The Supreme Court subsequently upheld the sentence on August 29 this year.
Kasab and the other gunmen entered Mumbai by boat on November 26, 2008. Carrying mobile phones, hand grenades and automatic weapons, they fanned out across Mumbai targeting luxury hotels Taj Mahal and Oberoi Trident, a Jewish centre Chabad House and the city's main train station Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus(CST). (With inputs from PTI)
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PUNE: After nearly four years, Ajmal Kasab, the sole surviving Pakistani gunman involved in the Mumbai attacks, was hanged to death at the Yerawada central prison here this morning in a top-secret operation.
Kasab was buried inside the premises of Pune's Yerawada Central Jail shortly after he was hanged, Maharashtra chief minister Prithviraj Chavan said.
"Ajmal Kasab was hanged at 7.30am," Maharashtra home minister R R Patil said in Mumbai shortly after the hanging. Pakistan government was kept informed about the execution.
The execution in the Mumbai attack trial brought closure to many in the audacious strike by 10 terrorists of Pakistan-based terror outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in which 166 people were killed. Nine LeT men were killed during the 60-hour siege which began on the night of November 26, 2008.
The prison authorities remained tight-lipped about the details of hanging performed in a well-guarded secret operation amid reports that Kasab did not have any death wish.
Kasab was executed after he exhausted all legal remedies available to escape the noose with President Pranab Mukherjee rejecting his mercy plea following the advice of the Union home ministry.
Inspector general of Prisons (Maharashtra) Meeran Borwankar refused to respond media queries on the execution of Kasab.
There was, however, no official word or briefing by the jail authorities on the last rites of the hanged convict.
Union home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said Pakistan was informed about the execution of Kasab.
"With the execution of Kasab, we have completed the judicial procedure of 26/11 case." Shinde said in Delhi.
The Indian High Commission in Islamabad informed Pakistan government about Kasab's hanging through letter, he said, adding Pakistan refused to take the letter, which was then sent through fax.
External affairs minister Salman Khurshid said the obligation of keeping Pakistan informed about the hanging was fulfilled.
Special Public Prosecutor Ujjwal Nikam, who appeared for police in the case said the hanging is a "victory" for the country.
"Due process of law has been followed," Patil said, adding that hanging was carried out after President Mukherjee rejected Kasab's mercy petition on November 8. He said Kasab did not have any death wish.
"This is a true homage to the innocent victims, including policemen and security personnel, who laid down their lives," he said.
"Attack on Mumbai was an attack on the entire country," Patil said.
"I do not think there will be any trouble (if Kasab is buried in India) because India has suffered too much and everyone.... and this country has seen the tragedy. 166 people were killed after there days fight against humanity," he said.
Khurshid said India did not get any request from Pakistan for handing over the body of Kasab.
Nikam said by hanging Kasab the country has paid homage to all those policemen and innocent persons who lost their lives.
"By Kasab's conviction and death penalty, we have proved how the entire conspiracy was hatched in Pakistan. We have set an example that India will not tolerate such attacks and the accused will be brought to justice," Nikam told reporters in Mumbai.
Nikam appeared for the prosecution in the sessions court and High Court and assisted senior counsel Gopal Subramanium in the apex court.
A group of Shiv Sena workers raised slogans 'Vande Mataram' slogans outside the Yerawada jail hailing the hanging of Kasab and demanded that simialr justice be meted out to Parliament attack case death row convict Afzal Guru.
Kasab had been lodged in the Arthur Jail Road in Mumbai ever since he was arrested immediately after the attack in 2008. He was convicted and given capital punishment by the trial court on May 6, 2010 which was upheld by the Bombay High Court on February 21, 2011.
The Supreme Court subsequently upheld the sentence on August 29 this year.
Kasab and the other gunmen entered Mumbai by boat on November 26, 2008. Carrying mobile phones, hand grenades and automatic weapons, they fanned out across Mumbai targeting luxury hotels Taj Mahal and Oberoi Trident, a Jewish centre Chabad House and the city's main train station Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus(CST). (With inputs from PTI)
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So, you're reviving a three-and-a-half year old topic to post a news article? That is pretty disturbing. About as disturbing as the fact that India does not want to be part of the civilized world and maintains the death penalty.
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
So, you're reviving a three-and-a-half year old topic to post a news article? That is pretty disturbing. About as disturbing as the fact that India does not want to be part of the civilized world and maintains the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
The news article was posted in this thread because it is related to the topic of discussion. The person who was hanged was the same (and only) terrorist caught alive during the terrorist attack in Mumbai for which this thread was created.
I personally donot understand what's wrong with capital punshment for someone who's a mass murderer. hat someone is not a serial killer. He's not a psycho. He's not a prisoner of war. But a well trained, well armed person who enters a crowded railway station at peak hour and starts shooting iniscriminately at people who are in a rush to get home from their place of work. If that makes me uncivilized, then I think its people like you who are a real danger to civilization and "humanity".
So, you're reviving a three-and-a-half year old topic to post a news article? That is pretty disturbing. About as disturbing as the fact that India does not want to be part of the civilized world and maintains the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
The news article was posted in this thread because it is related to the topic of discussion. The person who was hanged was the same (and only) terrorist caught alive during the terrorist attack in Mumbai for which this thread was created.
I personally donot understand what's wrong with capital punshment for someone who's a mass murderer. hat someone is not a serial killer. He's not a psycho. He's not a prisoner of war. But a well trained, well armed person who enters a crowded railway station at peak hour and starts shooting iniscriminately at people who are in a rush to get home from their place of work. If that makes me uncivilized, then I think its people like you who are a real danger to civilization and "humanity".
Thanks for the update, Paris ... and pay no heed to those incapable of civilized discourse.
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[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
So, you're reviving a three-and-a-half year old topic to post a news article? That is pretty disturbing. About as disturbing as the fact that India does not want to be part of the civilized world and maintains the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
The news article was posted in this thread because it is related to the topic of discussion. The person who was hanged was the same (and only) terrorist caught alive during the terrorist attack in Mumbai for which this thread was created.
I personally donot understand what's wrong with capital punshment for someone who's a mass murderer. hat someone is not a serial killer. He's not a psycho. He's not a prisoner of war. But a well trained, well armed person who enters a crowded railway station at peak hour and starts shooting iniscriminately at people who are in a rush to get home from their place of work. If that makes me uncivilized, then I think its people like you who are a real danger to civilization and "humanity".[/QUOTE]
If you think retribution is worth killing for, then you are a sick person. No one has any right to take anyone's life. If you disagree, you are just wrong - this is not something that is open for debate. You can hurl all the freaky insults you like, that still doesn't make you right.
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
So, you're reviving a three-and-a-half year old topic to post a news article? That is pretty disturbing. About as disturbing as the fact that India does not want to be part of the civilized world and maintains the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
The news article was posted in this thread because it is related to the topic of discussion. The person who was hanged was the same (and only) terrorist caught alive during the terrorist attack in Mumbai for which this thread was created.
I personally donot understand what's wrong with capital punshment for someone who's a mass murderer. hat someone is not a serial killer. He's not a psycho. He's not a prisoner of war. But a well trained, well armed person who enters a crowded railway station at peak hour and starts shooting iniscriminately at people who are in a rush to get home from their place of work. If that makes me uncivilized, then I think its people like you who are a real danger to civilization and "humanity".[/QUOTE]
If you think retribution is worth killing for, then you are a sick person. No one has any right to take anyone's life. If you disagree, you are just wrong - this is not something that is open for debate. You can hurl all the freaky insults you like, that still doesn't make you right.
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
If you think retribution is worth killing for, then you are a sick person. No one has any right to take anyone's life. If you disagree, you are just wrong - this is not something that is open for debate. You can hurl all the freaky insults you like, that still doesn't make you right.[/QUOTE]
No one has any right to take anyone's life - say's who? the law of the land prevails. the court called this the rarest or rare cases.
and ofcourse capital punishment IS open for debate, and that's why the whole world is debating it.
why do you keep posting (insults and such) when you don't really have an arguement? its really a habit with you....
If you think retribution is worth killing for, then you are a sick person. No one has any right to take anyone's life. If you disagree, you are just wrong - this is not something that is open for debate. You can hurl all the freaky insults you like, that still doesn't make you right.[/QUOTE]
No one has any right to take anyone's life - say's who? the law of the land prevails. the court called this the rarest or rare cases.
and ofcourse capital punishment IS open for debate, and that's why the whole world is debating it.
why do you keep posting (insults and such) when you don't really have an arguement? its really a habit with you....
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Thanks for the update, Paris ... and pay no heed to those incapable of civilized discourse.[/QUOTE]
that was the whole purpose....to give an update :)
Thanks for the update, Paris ... and pay no heed to those incapable of civilized discourse.[/QUOTE]
that was the whole purpose....to give an update :)
The civilized world is on my side, Iran is on yours. That says enough.
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[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
If you think retribution is worth killing for, then you are a sick person. No one has any right to take anyone's life. If you disagree, you are just wrong - this is not something that is open for debate. You can hurl all the freaky insults you like, that still doesn't make you right.[/QUOTE]
No one has any right to take anyone's life - say's who? the law of the land prevails. the court called this the rarest or rare cases.
and ofcourse capital punishment IS open for debate, and that's why the whole world is debating it.
why do you keep posting (insults and such) when you don't really have an arguement? its really a habit with you....
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I don't know why I even bother, since you're not going to listen anyway, but here goes:
"No one has any right to take anyone's life - say's who? the law of the land prevails. the court called this the rarest or rare cases."
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, outlaws the death penalty. Those few countries who maintain the death penalty, but are UN members, are in a legal limbo. Technically, your country is acting illegally by maintaining the death penalty, regardless of your opinion on the subject.
"and ofcourse capital punishment IS open for debate, and that's why the whole world is debating it."
No, it is not, because it has been outlawed by binding UN legislation (UDoHR). The second part of your statement is pretty outrageous, as there are countries that still maintain the death penalty that are debating abolishing it (like much of the United States), whereas there are no countries that do not have the death penalty that are debating re-instating it. In the civilized world, only marginal extremists are in favour of the death penalty, and to my knowledge no major political parties exist that seek to re-instate it.
So there goes your claim that I don't have any arguments. Now let's hear a real argument from you, rather than empty claims as in your above post.
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
If you think retribution is worth killing for, then you are a sick person. No one has any right to take anyone's life. If you disagree, you are just wrong - this is not something that is open for debate. You can hurl all the freaky insults you like, that still doesn't make you right.[/QUOTE]
No one has any right to take anyone's life - say's who? the law of the land prevails. the court called this the rarest or rare cases.
and ofcourse capital punishment IS open for debate, and that's why the whole world is debating it.
why do you keep posting (insults and such) when you don't really have an arguement? its really a habit with you....
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I don't know why I even bother, since you're not going to listen anyway, but here goes:
"No one has any right to take anyone's life - say's who? the law of the land prevails. the court called this the rarest or rare cases."
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, outlaws the death penalty. Those few countries who maintain the death penalty, but are UN members, are in a legal limbo. Technically, your country is acting illegally by maintaining the death penalty, regardless of your opinion on the subject.
"and ofcourse capital punishment IS open for debate, and that's why the whole world is debating it."
No, it is not, because it has been outlawed by binding UN legislation (UDoHR). The second part of your statement is pretty outrageous, as there are countries that still maintain the death penalty that are debating abolishing it (like much of the United States), whereas there are no countries that do not have the death penalty that are debating re-instating it. In the civilized world, only marginal extremists are in favour of the death penalty, and to my knowledge no major political parties exist that seek to re-instate it.
So there goes your claim that I don't have any arguments. Now let's hear a real argument from you, rather than empty claims as in your above post.