[QUOTE]They decide what Queen product is released, not me. I am just an Archivist.[/QUOTE]
And it explains it all. How many times we heard about bands making the records of their lives and the so-called managers of their labels just say "fuck it, do it again because this won't sell and we wont release this shit"?
To me a collection of duplicate (or countless of the same...) items is not a collection - it's stupidity. They (the bosses) know that if they sell a certain amount to those hardcore collectors that buy anything it can pay for the production costs, so for them what's the problem? They won't profit, but at least they won't lose money and the fans will be "happy". And then they complain that CDs don't sell anymore. Pffft.
OK, music industry is a business... but it could be a better business.
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[b]lalaalalaa wrote: [/b]
Well I thought the Singles Collection was a good idea. No harm in putting it out on the market. Buy it or don't, right?
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Wrong ... Every half baked / recycled project reurgitated by the Holy Trinity ... means at least another yearly delay for the release of any archive material.
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Well believe me, I'd love to see some seventies stuff out on the market, but haven't we already downloaded it all on the Sharing the music forum[img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]
Maybe there should be a cd for B-sides and demos collection that don't appear on albums.
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[b]lalaalalaa wrote: [/b]
Well I thought the Singles Collection was a good idea. No harm in putting it out on the market. Buy it or don't, right?
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Wrong ... Every half baked / recycled project reurgitated by the Holy Trinity ... means at least another yearly delay for the release of any archive material.
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Well believe me, I'd love to see some seventies stuff out on the market, but haven't we already downloaded it all on the Sharing the music forum[img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]
Maybe there should be a cd for B-sides and demos collection that don't appear on albums.
Greg, how much do I have to pay you for Hangman?
I know you know where it is :]
I know you know where it is :]
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[b]N0_Camping4U wrote: [/b]
Greg, how much do I have to pay you for Hangman?
I know you know where it is :]
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I guess you're thinking about a studio version, right?
I'd love to have hangman also. The live ones are ok but I'd prefer a studio version
[b]N0_Camping4U wrote: [/b]
Greg, how much do I have to pay you for Hangman?
I know you know where it is :]
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I guess you're thinking about a studio version, right?
I'd love to have hangman also. The live ones are ok but I'd prefer a studio version
"There was even some tedious Billy-No-Mates moaning on about... get this... the Queen crest colours on the box: white on purple... which he hates. Jesus!!! Get a life mate!!"
Excuse me Mr. f..kin Archivist. I pointed out the Queen "word", not the "crest". The crest does not appear on the box. A typical lack of attention to detail which speaks volumes about your apparent enthusiasm for the whole mess.
The original "reversed out" Queen word on the first album works because it is over a photo. Even if it was on solid purple it would have worked because it was 1973.
35 years later the colouring is neither currently relevant or, in the way it has been used, nostalgically relevant or brand-worthy.
And fifteen exclamation marks back to you, you child.
Excuse me Mr. f..kin Archivist. I pointed out the Queen "word", not the "crest". The crest does not appear on the box. A typical lack of attention to detail which speaks volumes about your apparent enthusiasm for the whole mess.
The original "reversed out" Queen word on the first album works because it is over a photo. Even if it was on solid purple it would have worked because it was 1973.
35 years later the colouring is neither currently relevant or, in the way it has been used, nostalgically relevant or brand-worthy.
And fifteen exclamation marks back to you, you child.
clear...
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[/QUOTE]Stop being a pedantic dick head.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Crest / Word.... the principal is exactly the same. You're bleating on about a word and the colour this word has been printed on. Is that all you can find to mention.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Get a life mate!!!![/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Was it really really worth moaning about and boring us all death with? No.[/QUOTE]
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[/QUOTE]Stop being a pedantic dick head.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Crest / Word.... the principal is exactly the same. You're bleating on about a word and the colour this word has been printed on. Is that all you can find to mention.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Get a life mate!!!![/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Was it really really worth moaning about and boring us all death with? No.[/QUOTE]
"Is that all you can find to mention."
Er.... no actually. You've sidestepped my other more valid points, choosing instead to try to belittle my point about the packaging. It's YOU that harps on about what "a lovely looking item it is" focusing away from the fact it's a made up "collector's item" to enable QPL to further fleece the fans.
But I suppose that's because you're "bored".
Er.... no actually. You've sidestepped my other more valid points, choosing instead to try to belittle my point about the packaging. It's YOU that harps on about what "a lovely looking item it is" focusing away from the fact it's a made up "collector's item" to enable QPL to further fleece the fans.
But I suppose that's because you're "bored".
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[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
clear...
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[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Stop being a pedantic dick head.
Crest / Word.... the principal is exactly the same. You're bleating on about a word and the colour this word has been printed on. Is that all you can find to mention.
Get a life mate!!!!
Was it really really worth moaning about and boring us all death with? No.
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here we go again ... greg becoming ridiculous although having made some good points just before ... you don't have to be interested in typographical aspects etc., but don't complain about other people doing so. so childish.
[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
clear...
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[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Stop being a pedantic dick head.
Crest / Word.... the principal is exactly the same. You're bleating on about a word and the colour this word has been printed on. Is that all you can find to mention.
Get a life mate!!!!
Was it really really worth moaning about and boring us all death with? No.
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here we go again ... greg becoming ridiculous although having made some good points just before ... you don't have to be interested in typographical aspects etc., but don't complain about other people doing so. so childish.
People are complaining Greg because they are bitterly dissapointed and feel let down by the fact that the release is NOT what you had proposed.
Again, the release is not really for the fans, it's for the public.
I just hope that when all four boxes are released, THEN the fans will get a smaller release containing just the B sides, alternate mixes and extended mixes, so that we don't have to fork out £160 for the 4 releases.
Instead of appeasing the fans who have waited a VERY long time for the promised anthology boxset by giving them a complete set of released stuff all nicely tied up in a big box which we'd have all happily paid £160 for, they've given us a watered down verison for the same price.
Now. Is it Brian & Roger who made the decision or is it Jim Beach? (That's a rhetorical question because many of know that Jim's the main problem)
Again, the release is not really for the fans, it's for the public.
I just hope that when all four boxes are released, THEN the fans will get a smaller release containing just the B sides, alternate mixes and extended mixes, so that we don't have to fork out £160 for the 4 releases.
Instead of appeasing the fans who have waited a VERY long time for the promised anthology boxset by giving them a complete set of released stuff all nicely tied up in a big box which we'd have all happily paid £160 for, they've given us a watered down verison for the same price.
Now. Is it Brian & Roger who made the decision or is it Jim Beach? (That's a rhetorical question because many of know that Jim's the main problem)
[b]brians wig wrote: [/b]
Now. Is it Brian & Roger who made the decision or is it Jim Beach? (That's a rhetorical question because many of know that Jim's the main problem)
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I've always thought that, but then interestingly he's one of the main guys in charge of Freddie's Estate, and therefore must have approved the excellent and almost comprehensive Freddie box set from 2000. As we don't seem to get anywhere with similar Queen rarities stuff that would massively outsell Freddie's solo stuff, my gut is leaning towards Brian putting a spanner in the works. Then again, if Freddie were still with us we may never have seen the FM box, so unfortunately it may be a case similar to Hendrix and Elvis, and we'll have to wait for Bri, Rog and John to go before we can enjoy the rare material flooding out.
Now. Is it Brian & Roger who made the decision or is it Jim Beach? (That's a rhetorical question because many of know that Jim's the main problem)
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I've always thought that, but then interestingly he's one of the main guys in charge of Freddie's Estate, and therefore must have approved the excellent and almost comprehensive Freddie box set from 2000. As we don't seem to get anywhere with similar Queen rarities stuff that would massively outsell Freddie's solo stuff, my gut is leaning towards Brian putting a spanner in the works. Then again, if Freddie were still with us we may never have seen the FM box, so unfortunately it may be a case similar to Hendrix and Elvis, and we'll have to wait for Bri, Rog and John to go before we can enjoy the rare material flooding out.
Greg,
All fine and well put and backs up exactly what you told us in the first place. It begs the question though, if you were so convinced that your work on the ORIGINAL set was so good, why on EARTH did you and Gary agree to work on something so far below your collective standards as archivist and hostorian etc? Haven't you completely compromised yourselves here? Didn't you ever turn around to QPL and say "No - this is not what should be released."?
All fine and well put and backs up exactly what you told us in the first place. It begs the question though, if you were so convinced that your work on the ORIGINAL set was so good, why on EARTH did you and Gary agree to work on something so far below your collective standards as archivist and hostorian etc? Haven't you completely compromised yourselves here? Didn't you ever turn around to QPL and say "No - this is not what should be released."?
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[b]Benn wrote: [/b]
Greg,
All fine and well put and backs up exactly what you told us in the first place. It begs the question though, if you were so convinced that your work on the ORIGINAL set was so good, why on EARTH did you and Gary agree to work on something so far below your collective standards as archivist and hostorian etc? Haven't you completely compromised yourselves here? Didn't you ever turn around to QPL and say "No - this is not what should be released."?[/QUOTE]
Seriously?
They are Queen's employees (or working freelance, whatever). You can propose whatever you want and come up with the greatest things but the boss will make the decision in the end; your boss will scrap months' work and tell you to do something else entirely in half the time and you have to do it.
In this case, Queen Productions has the last word there.
Let's say Greg "opposed" to work on a given product due to artistic differences. There is a big chance he would not be considered for future work. He wants to continue working for Queen. Wouldn't you?
If he can have them release something cool one day, that would be his (and every fan's) victory.
[b]Benn wrote: [/b]
Greg,
All fine and well put and backs up exactly what you told us in the first place. It begs the question though, if you were so convinced that your work on the ORIGINAL set was so good, why on EARTH did you and Gary agree to work on something so far below your collective standards as archivist and hostorian etc? Haven't you completely compromised yourselves here? Didn't you ever turn around to QPL and say "No - this is not what should be released."?[/QUOTE]
Seriously?
They are Queen's employees (or working freelance, whatever). You can propose whatever you want and come up with the greatest things but the boss will make the decision in the end; your boss will scrap months' work and tell you to do something else entirely in half the time and you have to do it.
In this case, Queen Productions has the last word there.
Let's say Greg "opposed" to work on a given product due to artistic differences. There is a big chance he would not be considered for future work. He wants to continue working for Queen. Wouldn't you?
If he can have them release something cool one day, that would be his (and every fan's) victory.
It seems that some people are being (too) careful to not hurt Brian or Roger's feelings (once more) and they prefer to blame these things on Greg instead. He's naive enough to come here and get the bashing once in a while, so... once again QPL is laughing at us.
Marcos.
EXACTLY my friend.
Brian and Roger - literally - have no one saying anything negative to them about anything they have input in. Brian's webmistress is the very worst offender. Nothing gets through to either of them so that their poor little egos aren't hurt. But as a result, they have no idea what's really going on. For example, interviewers will be told what they can and can't ask them so that they aren't surprised or put on the spot.
If Greg and Gary had challenged them - constructively - we could have had a completely different product which would have catered for everyone. But they bottled it and pandered to their heroes.
Pathetic.
EXACTLY my friend.
Brian and Roger - literally - have no one saying anything negative to them about anything they have input in. Brian's webmistress is the very worst offender. Nothing gets through to either of them so that their poor little egos aren't hurt. But as a result, they have no idea what's really going on. For example, interviewers will be told what they can and can't ask them so that they aren't surprised or put on the spot.
If Greg and Gary had challenged them - constructively - we could have had a completely different product which would have catered for everyone. But they bottled it and pandered to their heroes.
Pathetic.
Greg and Gary are employees, they are not going to say a fucking thing to upset their bosses, namely that cunt jim beach. Greg has access to the band but i am sure no matter what time and effort he puts in, he will never bring the band around to his way of thinking.