A Question About The Live Magic Album

Sir GH wrote:

  There is no chance that an audience recording, even with the best possible gear recorded from the front row, can sound as good as something recorded properly from the soundboard.

Well you'd better find a way man!  I'm seeing The Who in about a month......

Sir GH wrote:

Raf wrote:



I don't want a Live Magic re-release, I don't want a Live in Budapest DVD anytime soon and I couldn't care less about Knebworth being released in any format.

If Knebworth is released, then great, for history reasons and all.  But honestly, the Live Magic fragment is great, and the Thank You All bootleg is certainly listenable enough.  It seems the big fans want something from the 70s, so let's see what 2009 brings.

I agree w/ you Sir GH. I've been wanting a Hyde Park '76, Houston '77, or Chicago '78 for about 3 years now. They'll produce their (Queen Productions) worst fear of flooding the market by releasing yet another 80's concert on DVD. They ought to wait 3 or 4 years before doing Knebworth.

It's been fairly well established that there'll be no Knebworth DVD, on account of the video having never existed.
(I dunno if that's what you were getting at).

If they were to do the unthinkable and release MORE Magic Tour stuff... (like Budapest perhaps) it would definitely be a nice extra if they were to release whatever Knebworth stuff does exist, on a 2nd disc.  We've probably seen most of the film that there is already, but you never know. 

It boggles the mind.  They basically have the perfect template in Led Zeppelin's live DVD set.  Someone ought to just slam that down in front of Brian and say to him, "DO THIS".

It'd help to make sure he understands that we want 70's shows first, though.

Zebonka12 wrote:

It's been fairly well established that there'll be no Knebworth DVD, on account of the video having never existed.
(I dunno if that's what you were getting at).

If they were to do the unthinkable and release MORE Magic Tour stuff... (like Budapest perhaps) it would definitely be a nice extra if they were to release whatever Knebworth stuff does exist, on a 2nd disc.  We've probably seen most of the film that there is already, but you never know. 

It boggles the mind.  They basically have the perfect template in Led Zeppelin's live DVD set.  Someone ought to just slam that down in front of Brian and say to him, "DO THIS".

It'd help to make sure he understands that we want 70's shows first, though.

Huh...I guess I falsely assumed because of the excerpt of a 'documentary' made about the Knebworth concert, that there was pro footage shot. I guess they must've left the tape out of the cameras that night. I agree w/ your ideas as well Z.

I don't understand why people is so excited about the Led Zeppelin DVD. Yes, the quality of audio and footage is great but we have lost the opportunity to see the releases of complete set concerts from Earls Court 75 and Knebworth 79. It'll be much better to release Royal Albert Hall 1970 DVD, Earls Court 1975 DVD, Knebworth 1979 DVD as the separate editions and The Song Remains The Same DVD as it was released maybe with some alternate concert footage in addition.

Personally I don't want to receive Queen DVD compilation of 5 tracks from each well-known 70's concert which deserves DVD release on its own.

Zebonka12 wrote:

It's been fairly well established that there'll be no Knebworth DVD, on account of the video having never existed.
(I dunno if that's what you were getting at).

Apparently, many fans believe Queen already knew back then it'd be their last perfomance and so decided to film the whole thing because of its historic importance. 
[/QUOTE]And they probably haven't seen what's in the archives waiting for a good DVD release, either... If they had, they'd probably get frustrated just to think that we might still have another Magic DVD.




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redspecialusa wrote:

Huh...I guess I falsely assumed because of the excerpt of a 'documentary' made about the Knebworth concert, that there was pro footage shot. I guess they must've left the tape out of the cameras that night. I agree w/ your ideas as well Z.

It is a fair assumption really, and technically speaking 'pro' stuff was indeed shot.  But it's really only limited to the film footage that DoRo took, as far as I know. 
To me it just looks like a very unfortunate but simple blunder.  They're still at it, by the way - I hear quite a few of the Q+PR shows weren't fully recorded.  Ha!

CMI wrote:

I don't understand why people is so excited about the Led Zeppelin DVD. Yes, the quality of audio and footage is great but we have lost the opportunity to see the releases of complete set concerts from Earls Court 75 and Knebworth 79. It'll be much better to release Royal Albert Hall 1970 DVD, Earls Court 1975 DVD, Knebworth 1979 DVD as the separate editions and The Song Remains The Same DVD as it was released maybe with some alternate concert footage in addition.

Personally I don't want to receive Queen DVD compilation of 5 tracks from each well-known 70's concert which deserves DVD release on its own.

Good point, I think.  It would be interesting to see how those four Led Zeppelin shows would fare as separate DVD releases, as opposed to the compilation that is being sold.  To my mind, it'd be cool to have complete releases of each show, but by the same token... I've seen and heard some of the stuff that isn't on the Led Zeppelin DVD, and some of it really isn't worth having.  (Heartbreaker at Knebworth, for instance).

I guess, if I had to choose between a scenario in which we have no 70's Queen shows on DVD, vs. a
scenario where we have a carefully selected volume of the stuff that best represents the band on DVD, I'd definitely go with the latter.  Of course I'd prefer to get every show that's available, but I mean - I'd take whatever.
It'd certainly be more than what we have now ...

Although I did notice; when I bought GVH2 in 2003, it had one song from the "On Fire" show which came out a while later.  Then when I got the ANATO DVDs, there was a performance of "Sweet Lady" from Hyde Park.  I remember twiddling my thumbs and thinking 'maaaaaybe that means it'll be on DVD soon'....

Still waiting!

Sir GH wrote:

macman223 wrote:



I have one of the bootlegs, and I use a Mac. It is possible to master the songs, to the sound qyality of the Live Magic Album through software?

Definitely not.  It was recorded from very far away in the audience with a single microphone, whereas the band recorded the show from the soundboard.  There is no chance that an audience recording, even with the best possible gear recorded from the front row, can sound as good as something recorded properly from the soundboard.

It's such a shame that there isn't a way you could master it yourself to make it sound like the Live Magic album. But, with the edited versions of the songs from Knebworth from the Live Magic Album, and the Knebworth mastered version of Under Pressure that I heard on YouTube, I'm thinking that there's got to be a way to "master" it yourself or there might be a copy of the soundboard recording of the Knebworth Concert somewhere. It's just a suggustion.

macman223 wrote:















But, with the edited versions of the songs from Knebworth from the Live Magic Album, and the Knebworth mastered version of Under Pressure that I heard on YouTube, I'm thinking that there's got to be a way to "master" it yourself

All of that has been officially released, and it's taken from the soundboard.  Again, it's impossible to make a cassette tape recorded from the audience with amateur gear sound as good as that.

Do you guys know what drum set Roger Used At Knebworth?

macman223 wrote:

Do you guys know what drum set Roger Used At Knebworth?

For the whole Magic Tour, definitely a Yamaha kit, but off the top of my head I can't recall which model - maybe a 9000 series, and either a Recording or Stage Custom.

Very different kit to those Roger traditionally went for both before and after that tour; very 'dead' sounding toms as opposed to the very ambient roomy sound he usually prefers.  He also went with the matching Yamaha
snare which was also strange as when most drummers change kits they usually retain their favourite snare drum - especially in Roger's case as he is one of very few drummers who has a signature snare sound.

Although the drum sound on the Magic tour is totally different, it is very good in my opinion - although the snare has quite a 'crack' as opposed to his usual 'smooth' type sound.

I'll shut up now!!

Zebonka12 wrote:



It's been fairly well established that there'll be no Knebworth DVD, on account of the video having never existed.
(I dunno if that's what you were getting at).

I thought the multi camera, big screen coverage WAS recorded???  Snippets have been used in DoRo mash ups.

I'm not referring to the DoRo single camera stuff (audience wide shot during "GaGa" and the wide shot of the "ITTWWC" performance.  That footage doesn't match the video recording)

All we need is yet another "Magic Tour" DVD!  Wembley, Budapest and Knebworth!

Seeing Budapest was shot on film, I think those saying it'll be released soon(perfect for Blu-Ray) are probably on the money

Ken8 wrote:







I'm not referring to the DoRo single camera stuff (audience wide shot during "GaGa" and the wide shot of the "ITTWWC" performance.  That footage doesn't match the video recording)

Right, as it was just a different camera sitting far away.  There's also a bit of footage of One Vision that was shown in 2002 on a news report.

Brian says the video screen wasn't recorded, so it's just a matter of what other little bits of footage remain.

cmsdrums wrote:

 



macman223 wrote:



Do you guys know what drum set Roger Used At Knebworth?

Although the drum sound on the Magic tour is totally different, it is very good in my opinion - although the snare has quite a 'crack' as opposed to his usual 'smooth' type sound.





I agree. I never really liked the snare drum sound from the magic tour.





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Sir GH wrote:















Brian says the video screen wasn't recorded, so it's just a matter of what other little bits of footage remain.

But it was recorded.  If you went to that length in regards to the big screen shoot, you'd record it, all of it.  Tape is pretty cheap when you've invested that much.  Believe me, I've worked on a few of these type of things for international acts, and they are all recorded.  Even if just for the act to see back.  For instance I know a Sydney 85 Works show was recorded in full by The Nine Network.  The intro and "Ga Ga" were all that were shown (I uploaded them here years ago), but the full OB crew covered that entire show.

Back to Knebworth, there are shots inserted into DoRo mashups that match the shots in my bootleg copy.  It defies logic to just record a minute here and a minute there.

When it comes to what's in the vaults, frankly I'd take anything Brian says with a pinch of salt.  I get the feeling shows like Sydney, Knebworth and who knows what else may have "fallen behind a desk" as far as anyone at QPL are concerned