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Saif
Get a clue, moron. Joxer isn't a musician. Joxer was referring to TM's poor musical skills.
thequeen
ok moron ....(didn't know this was used to greet other people on QZ, but oh ...heck....I like it already!) [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]
thunderbolt 31742
Whereas Treasure Moment is a perfect example of no-talent assclowns who can't write a single decent song.
ziggybsas
Dream Theater and specially John Petrucci (the guitar player) always plays little parts of other people's song in their own songs (most of all in their live shows)... so is more like a tribute...
i saw them live a couple of times and they play little parts of: Whenever i may roam (Metallica), Mother (Pink Floyd), Starship Trooper (Yes) and a few more that i can remember... so in my opinion this is not a copy.
Bye!
(sorry for my english!)
i saw them live a couple of times and they play little parts of: Whenever i may roam (Metallica), Mother (Pink Floyd), Starship Trooper (Yes) and a few more that i can remember... so in my opinion this is not a copy.
Bye!
(sorry for my english!)
The_Disabled_Jester
[b]saif wrote :
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I mean seriously, that's not cool
They thought no one would notice since the intro was ripped off from one of the most under-rated and lesser-known albums of all-time
don't have the view that Queen was the first band to come up with every musical idea. I guess I was so shocked that this wasn't mentioned anywhere before that I decided to post it.
Here's to hoping they cover Queen II
[i]...you're just a walking talking contradiction lol, what a turnaround haha[/i]
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I mean seriously, that's not cool
They thought no one would notice since the intro was ripped off from one of the most under-rated and lesser-known albums of all-time
don't have the view that Queen was the first band to come up with every musical idea. I guess I was so shocked that this wasn't mentioned anywhere before that I decided to post it.
Here's to hoping they cover Queen II
[i]...you're just a walking talking contradiction lol, what a turnaround haha[/i]
Yara
I wrote this last year here on Queenzone and it's related to the topic at hand. A dear Queenzoner asked me to find the post and re-post it, and here it is. As always, I hope it helps:
"Hi, Boca!
I think music would be a very hard thing to do, even for the most gifted, if artists couldn't rely on other people's work, past and present, to create pieces of their own. In every piece of music there are signs of a certain, or of many, musical traditions - no one breakes new ground without being acquainted with what has already been achieved in the musical tradition. One has to start from some point. Things don't come up out of thin air or nothing.
In the end of the day, however, if the composer is really imaginative, he succeeds in creating new, fresh interesting material from things he has listened to, read, remembers, and so on.
I think it's very hard to tell sometimes plagiarism from influence - some songs are so strikingly similar in some respects that one tends to think that the composer did only a "copy and paste" process, but that's not so simple.
Freddie's piano harmonic progressions and runs are reminiscent of dozens of classical pieces - you may find yourself listening to the introduction to "Death on Two Legs" or to the live intros to Somebody To Love in the works tour in the middle of a Liszt or Chopin composition - but then such artists as Liszt and Chopin or, as far as singing is concerned, Aretha, availed themselves of the tradition to create new ways of approaching an instrument or even vocals which turned out to be the very framework within which other artists would do their stuff. With time, their influence is so pervasive that one is just infected by it and tends to build things based on such influences unconsciously. Freddie's vocals in "Somebody to Love", especially in the 80's, seemed like a conscious effort to sound like Aretha - however, the song itself, even though it does have traditional gospel elements, is a new, fresh piece of music with a lot of innovation and creativity.
The guitar introduction of Oasis' "Cigarretes & Alcohol" can be heard on Power Station's "Get it On", on about two or three Kiss' songs, and I started to try to trace it and it goes back to some basic blues progressions which happened to be developed to sound as a catchy and groovy rock n roll motive. These developments were so obvious, musically speaking, that different people made it on their own, only to find that someone else had already drawned that conclusion before.
I think plagiarism, that is, the conscient reproduction of other people's work without acknolwdgement and any further significant input or innovation is very hard to prove. These things are not so clear-cut.
Freddie and Brian were heavily influenced by many artists. Such influences do show up in a more striking way in some songs, but in the end of the day their own input is creative enough to produce new, fresh and interesting tunes.
I can't help but remembering Robert Plant and Led when I listen to the original version of Sheer Heart Attack. There may be an influence there, but the Queen tune has a mark of its own and I like it more than any Led song.
So, even though by listening to Queen I do listen partially, consciously or not, to other artists, I can't think of any song that the guys plagiarized.
I know the answer turned out to be too long, but well, it's NO. I can't think of plagiarism in any Queen song - influence, even heavy influence, yes, but not really plagiarism.
Cheers and take care!"
"Hi, Boca!
I think music would be a very hard thing to do, even for the most gifted, if artists couldn't rely on other people's work, past and present, to create pieces of their own. In every piece of music there are signs of a certain, or of many, musical traditions - no one breakes new ground without being acquainted with what has already been achieved in the musical tradition. One has to start from some point. Things don't come up out of thin air or nothing.
In the end of the day, however, if the composer is really imaginative, he succeeds in creating new, fresh interesting material from things he has listened to, read, remembers, and so on.
I think it's very hard to tell sometimes plagiarism from influence - some songs are so strikingly similar in some respects that one tends to think that the composer did only a "copy and paste" process, but that's not so simple.
Freddie's piano harmonic progressions and runs are reminiscent of dozens of classical pieces - you may find yourself listening to the introduction to "Death on Two Legs" or to the live intros to Somebody To Love in the works tour in the middle of a Liszt or Chopin composition - but then such artists as Liszt and Chopin or, as far as singing is concerned, Aretha, availed themselves of the tradition to create new ways of approaching an instrument or even vocals which turned out to be the very framework within which other artists would do their stuff. With time, their influence is so pervasive that one is just infected by it and tends to build things based on such influences unconsciously. Freddie's vocals in "Somebody to Love", especially in the 80's, seemed like a conscious effort to sound like Aretha - however, the song itself, even though it does have traditional gospel elements, is a new, fresh piece of music with a lot of innovation and creativity.
The guitar introduction of Oasis' "Cigarretes & Alcohol" can be heard on Power Station's "Get it On", on about two or three Kiss' songs, and I started to try to trace it and it goes back to some basic blues progressions which happened to be developed to sound as a catchy and groovy rock n roll motive. These developments were so obvious, musically speaking, that different people made it on their own, only to find that someone else had already drawned that conclusion before.
I think plagiarism, that is, the conscient reproduction of other people's work without acknolwdgement and any further significant input or innovation is very hard to prove. These things are not so clear-cut.
Freddie and Brian were heavily influenced by many artists. Such influences do show up in a more striking way in some songs, but in the end of the day their own input is creative enough to produce new, fresh and interesting tunes.
I can't help but remembering Robert Plant and Led when I listen to the original version of Sheer Heart Attack. There may be an influence there, but the Queen tune has a mark of its own and I like it more than any Led song.
So, even though by listening to Queen I do listen partially, consciously or not, to other artists, I can't think of any song that the guys plagiarized.
I know the answer turned out to be too long, but well, it's NO. I can't think of plagiarism in any Queen song - influence, even heavy influence, yes, but not really plagiarism.
Cheers and take care!"
The_Disabled_Jester
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[b]Yara wrote: [/b]
I wrote this last year here on Queenzone and it's related to the topic at hand. A dear Queenzoner asked me to find the post and re-post it, and here it is. As always, I hope it helps:
"Hi, Boca!
I think music would be a very hard thing to do, even for the most gifted, if artists couldn't rely on other people's work, past and present, to create pieces of their own. In every piece of music there are signs of a certain, or of many, musical traditions - no one breakes new ground without being acquainted with what has already been achieved in the musical tradition. One has to start from some point. Things don't come up out of thin air or nothing.
In the end of the day, however, if the composer is really imaginative, he succeeds in creating new, fresh interesting material from things he has listened to, read, remembers, and so on.
I think it's very hard to tell sometimes plagiarism from influence - some songs are so strikingly similar in some respects that one tends to think that the composer did only a "copy and paste" process, but that's not so simple.
Freddie's piano harmonic progressions and runs are reminiscent of dozens of classical pieces - you may find yourself listening to the introduction to "Death on Two Legs" or to the live intros to Somebody To Love in the works tour in the middle of a Liszt or Chopin composition - but then such artists as Liszt and Chopin or, as far as singing is concerned, Aretha, availed themselves of the tradition to create new ways of approaching an instrument or even vocals which turned out to be the very framework within which other artists would do their stuff. With time, their influence is so pervasive that one is just infected by it and tends to build things based on such influences unconsciously. Freddie's vocals in "Somebody to Love", especially in the 80's, seemed like a conscious effort to sound like Aretha - however, the song itself, even though it does have traditional gospel elements, is a new, fresh piece of music with a lot of innovation and creativity.
The guitar introduction of Oasis' "Cigarretes & Alcohol" can be heard on Power Station's "Get it On", on about two or three Kiss' songs, and I started to try to trace it and it goes back to some basic blues progressions which happened to be developed to sound as a catchy and groovy rock n roll motive. These developments were so obvious, musically speaking, that different people made it on their own, only to find that someone else had already drawned that conclusion before.
I think plagiarism, that is, the conscient reproduction of other people's work without acknolwdgement and any further significant input or innovation is very hard to prove. These things are not so clear-cut.
Freddie and Brian were heavily influenced by many artists. Such influences do show up in a more striking way in some songs, but in the end of the day their own input is creative enough to produce new, fresh and interesting tunes.
I can't help but remembering Robert Plant and Led when I listen to the original version of Sheer Heart Attack. There may be an influence there, but the Queen tune has a mark of its own and I like it more than any Led song.
So, even though by listening to Queen I do listen partially, consciously or not, to other artists, I can't think of any song that the guys plagiarized.
I know the answer turned out to be too long, but well, it's NO. I can't think of plagiarism in any Queen song - influence, even heavy influence, yes, but not really plagiarism.
Cheers and take care!"
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You're head must be massive!
[b]Yara wrote: [/b]
I wrote this last year here on Queenzone and it's related to the topic at hand. A dear Queenzoner asked me to find the post and re-post it, and here it is. As always, I hope it helps:
"Hi, Boca!
I think music would be a very hard thing to do, even for the most gifted, if artists couldn't rely on other people's work, past and present, to create pieces of their own. In every piece of music there are signs of a certain, or of many, musical traditions - no one breakes new ground without being acquainted with what has already been achieved in the musical tradition. One has to start from some point. Things don't come up out of thin air or nothing.
In the end of the day, however, if the composer is really imaginative, he succeeds in creating new, fresh interesting material from things he has listened to, read, remembers, and so on.
I think it's very hard to tell sometimes plagiarism from influence - some songs are so strikingly similar in some respects that one tends to think that the composer did only a "copy and paste" process, but that's not so simple.
Freddie's piano harmonic progressions and runs are reminiscent of dozens of classical pieces - you may find yourself listening to the introduction to "Death on Two Legs" or to the live intros to Somebody To Love in the works tour in the middle of a Liszt or Chopin composition - but then such artists as Liszt and Chopin or, as far as singing is concerned, Aretha, availed themselves of the tradition to create new ways of approaching an instrument or even vocals which turned out to be the very framework within which other artists would do their stuff. With time, their influence is so pervasive that one is just infected by it and tends to build things based on such influences unconsciously. Freddie's vocals in "Somebody to Love", especially in the 80's, seemed like a conscious effort to sound like Aretha - however, the song itself, even though it does have traditional gospel elements, is a new, fresh piece of music with a lot of innovation and creativity.
The guitar introduction of Oasis' "Cigarretes & Alcohol" can be heard on Power Station's "Get it On", on about two or three Kiss' songs, and I started to try to trace it and it goes back to some basic blues progressions which happened to be developed to sound as a catchy and groovy rock n roll motive. These developments were so obvious, musically speaking, that different people made it on their own, only to find that someone else had already drawned that conclusion before.
I think plagiarism, that is, the conscient reproduction of other people's work without acknolwdgement and any further significant input or innovation is very hard to prove. These things are not so clear-cut.
Freddie and Brian were heavily influenced by many artists. Such influences do show up in a more striking way in some songs, but in the end of the day their own input is creative enough to produce new, fresh and interesting tunes.
I can't help but remembering Robert Plant and Led when I listen to the original version of Sheer Heart Attack. There may be an influence there, but the Queen tune has a mark of its own and I like it more than any Led song.
So, even though by listening to Queen I do listen partially, consciously or not, to other artists, I can't think of any song that the guys plagiarized.
I know the answer turned out to be too long, but well, it's NO. I can't think of plagiarism in any Queen song - influence, even heavy influence, yes, but not really plagiarism.
Cheers and take care!"
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You're head must be massive!
*goodco*
In the book 'Lifting Shadows', (a fairly good read, I must say), they readily admit, and pay homage to various artists and borrow a riff or two in the title track of 'Octavarium' (along with other tracks in their discography). For the life of me, I cannot tell what part of BoRhap is included, or where. A proper response would be appreciated.
At around 2 minutes of 'Fatal Tragedy' from 'Scenes...' and 4:45 of 'Misunderstood' from 'Six Degrees....', Petrucci's lead guitar jumps out at you as if it is Brian May playing. I think of it as fitting the songs and honoring an influence, rather than 'stealing'.
I love the beginning to 'Trial of Tears'. Almost a carbon copy of Rush's 'Xanadu'. Almost. But, so what.
The Beatles never plagarized others' music or lyrics or book passages. Or Led Zeppelin.
And the bass line of 'Another One Bites The Dust' wasn't influenced by anything previously released...........
Or the beginning of 'It's A Hard Life'. Or.......
I wanna thank the original poster of this thread. All these years, and I'd never thought of the 'Procession' similarities. Very cool indeed, if that's what they were doing.
At around 2 minutes of 'Fatal Tragedy' from 'Scenes...' and 4:45 of 'Misunderstood' from 'Six Degrees....', Petrucci's lead guitar jumps out at you as if it is Brian May playing. I think of it as fitting the songs and honoring an influence, rather than 'stealing'.
I love the beginning to 'Trial of Tears'. Almost a carbon copy of Rush's 'Xanadu'. Almost. But, so what.
The Beatles never plagarized others' music or lyrics or book passages. Or Led Zeppelin.
And the bass line of 'Another One Bites The Dust' wasn't influenced by anything previously released...........
Or the beginning of 'It's A Hard Life'. Or.......
I wanna thank the original poster of this thread. All these years, and I'd never thought of the 'Procession' similarities. Very cool indeed, if that's what they were doing.
Mlaimo
I always felt the last minute of Robbie Williams' Singing for the Lonely sounded exactly like 'Funny How Love Is':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRiGrHYyYdc
Scroll to about 3:50 and give a listen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRiGrHYyYdc
Scroll to about 3:50 and give a listen...
The Real Wizard
Excellent post, goodco.
Saif
Yes, I know, I was wrong to jump to the conclusion that they "nicked" it.
Treasure Moment
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[b]Thunderbolt wrote: [/b]
Whereas Treasure Moment is a perfect example of no-talent assclowns who can't write a single decent song.
[/QUOTE]
In your dreams retard, TM has more talent than 20 big mainstream bands put together.
[b]Thunderbolt wrote: [/b]
Whereas Treasure Moment is a perfect example of no-talent assclowns who can't write a single decent song.
[/QUOTE]
In your dreams retard, TM has more talent than 20 big mainstream bands put together.
Major Tom
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[b]Treasure Moment wrote: [/b]
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[b]Thunderbolt wrote: [/b]
Whereas Treasure Moment is a perfect example of no-talent assclowns who can't write a single decent song.
[/QUOTE]
In your dreams retard, TM has more talent than 20 big mainstream bands put together.
[/QUOTE] OMG! OMFG! LOL! ROFLMAO!
[b]Treasure Moment wrote: [/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]Thunderbolt wrote: [/b]
Whereas Treasure Moment is a perfect example of no-talent assclowns who can't write a single decent song.
[/QUOTE]
In your dreams retard, TM has more talent than 20 big mainstream bands put together.
[/QUOTE] OMG! OMFG! LOL! ROFLMAO!
john bodega
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[b]Treasure Moment wrote:[/b]
In your dreams retard, TM has more talent than 20 big mainstream bands put together.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but which ones??
[b]Treasure Moment wrote:[/b]
In your dreams retard, TM has more talent than 20 big mainstream bands put together.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but which ones??