The end of the Sheep

I know that I've proposed this before, but I'm going to try again:

What if we'd all put money together to have TM admitted to a closed psychiatric ward, preferably somewhere far off? I'm in for €20.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to have him killed?

fatty.

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No you fucktard, its not OUTSTANDING CLAIMS

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Prove it, then.  You obviously know your stuff; convince us, right now.

And while you're at it - tell us all how you're avoiding this new world order?  How is Treasure Moment *not* conforming?  How are you even accessing the internet without buying into this new world order?  Aren't you a part of the problem?!

Fuck, you're amusing.



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since you dont believe me at all although ive explained this a million times over a long period of time how about listening to ron paul or gerald celente, both very intelligent and in high positions and not corrupted,

Listen and wake up to reality, people are stupid retards...

Ron paul talking about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8

BUSH talking about his evil plans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Gerald celente, worlds nr1 trend forecaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nJ7LM3iyNg

if you still AFTER this think its "theory" then you are a full blown fucktard!

How's this for trying to fit a concept into your non-existant mind, Amir:

Using sources NOT YouTube-based (like academic research papers posted online or such, for example) to back up your claims.

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Wouldn't it be cheaper to have him killed?

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Fair enough. I'm still in for €20,-

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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote:

[/b]What if we'd all put money together to have TM admitted to a closed psychiatric ward, preferably somewhere far off? I'm in for €20.







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Wouldn't it be cheaper to have him killed?

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Put me down for one of each.

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How's this for trying to fit a concept into your non-existant mind, Amir:

Using sources NOT YouTube-based (like academic research papers posted online or such, for example) to back up your claims.
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First of all im not Amir, second your "academic research" bullshit is nonsense, i can think for myself and see obvious logical things alot of retards out there cant. its simple logic that the elite control and manipulate and want you as a slave, it cant get more obvious.

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your "academic research" bullshit is nonsense

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I find it particularly interesting that this sounds just like George Bush when he said that global warming isn't real, because we shouldn't use things like "facts" to substantiate the argument for it.

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your "academic research" bullshit is nonsense



 

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I find it particularly interesting that this sounds just like George Bush when he said that global warming isn't real, because we shouldn't use things like "facts" to substantiate the argument for it.

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global warming may be real BUT the carbon thing is bullshit and a good way to tax the shit out of you some more and make it harder for people to use their cars, people are stupid as fuck and they deserve it for being that stupid, they buy everything the mainstream bullshit media tells them.

TM: "The carbon[dioxide] thing is bullshit"

Ah, so CO2 does not trap warmth more effectively than other gases in the atmosphere, increased concentrations of it do not thus cause an increase in global temperatures, changing climate-zones as happened several times in earth's recent geological history? And it is not released when carbon-based (C) based fuels are burned (i.e. oxydized (O2))? And the internal combustion engine does not work on carbon-based fuels?

Hi, dear TM.

How are ya? I'm starting my graduation in the sciences, it's what I like studying - physics, maths, and so on, I always loved that - and music. I studied very hard to go to college. Very! And I've been interested in the sciences, which is part of the topic here, since I began school. It's what I like studing, what I identified myself with.

I can tell you: it's so hard to get to master even a tiny small % of what's already resonably well known in the sciences, TM. Very hard. 

I learned that without much patience, dedication, study and absolute humbleness and an open mind to keep learning and trying to overcome our obstacles, one doesn't go anywhere, as intelligent and bright as he/she may be. 

It's comfortable for us to have a well-structured, organized and coherent worldview - it works for us and it helps us getting out of bed and making many decisions. But I think we should be humble enough to realize that, when it comes to debating issues of public concern, which are usually very complex and have a lot of different aspects to them, we can't try to reduce all problems to our limited, narrow worldview - we should, I think, recognize that there are controversies over many subjects and ultimately no one, neither me nor you nor anyone, holds the truth about them; that understanding and reasonable conclusion come only after much study, patience and recognition of the important role played by people who DISAGREE with you, because these people prompt you to think harder and fill the gaps in your understanding. 

It's also about respecting the other and bearing in mind that people might always have something important to tell us, that we see just a tiny fragment of a huge picture which we get to appreciate over time only if we recognize the importance of the open, thoughtful debate and the importance of other people, including those who disagree with us, in sheding light on a certain subject.

We must be courageous enough to speak our minds, for sure, but humble enough to listen, ponder, consider, learn and recognize our own mistakes and flaws.
 
For sure, TM, there's a lot of disagreement over the issue of global warming - legitimate intellectual disagreement among very fine scholars who dedicate their lives to understand something. But it's of absolutely no help to promptly disconsider plausible and reasonable hypothesis and trashing them all away as "shit" -this kind of attitude erects a barrier in our way of learning things. And, worse, it isolates us and leaves us alone in a quest for knowledge we are ONLY able undertake WITH the help of other people.

I must say this works for me on my personal life too. It's of no use for me to keep alienating people kidding myself with the idea that I'm in any way self-sufficient: I lack things. I have needs. I know I need affection, sometimes care, a helpful hand in hard moments; even when I'm feeling super, I want to share this feeling with someone else. Just taking my poor, fragmented worldview as absolute truth and keep isolating people from me based on it would turn me into a very sad, bitter, resentful person, I think - and, you know what? In my early teens, I was exactly like that, and I learned it sucks big time.
 
I think people are not so much disagreeing with the content of what you have to say, but the way you present yourself to debate things - sometimes it comes across as arrogant, agressive and off-putting. 

Well, it's a tought. It helped me. Hope it may be helpful to you.

Best regards.

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[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]



How's this for trying to fit a concept into your non-existant mind, Amir:

Using sources NOT YouTube-based (like academic research papers posted online or such, for example) to back up your claims.

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First of all im not Amir

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Then which one's Pink?
Max? Milidrag? ... Andreas?

He'll call you a deluded sheep now, because everything you've ever done, including research with your own hands, eyes and mind, he will dismiss as government propaganda lead by the Illuminati (which, incidentally, was a relatively dull group in Bavaria who'd be having a right laugh about the things attributed to them were they still alive today).

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Hi, dear TM.

How are ya? I'm starting my graduation in the sciences, it's what I like studying - physics, maths, and so on, I always loved that - and music. I studied very hard to go to college. Very! And I've been interested in the sciences, which is part of the topic here, since I began school. It's what I like studing, what I identified myself with.

I can tell you: it's so hard to get to master even a tiny small % of what's already resonably well known in the sciences, TM. Very hard. 

I learned that without much patience, dedication, study and absolute humbleness and an open mind to keep learning and trying to overcome our obstacles, one doesn't go anywhere, as intelligent and bright as he/she may be. 

It's comfortable for us to have a well-structured, organized and coherent worldview - it works for us and it helps us getting out of bed and making many decisions. But I think we should be humble enough to realize that, when it comes to debating issues of public concern, which are usually very complex and have a lot of different aspects to them, we can't try to reduce all problems to our limited, narrow worldview - we should, I think, recognize that there are controversies over many subjects and ultimately no one, neither me nor you nor anyone, holds the truth about them; that understanding and reasonable conclusion come only after much study, patience and recognition of the important role played by people who DISAGREE with you, because these people prompt you to think harder and fill the gaps in your understanding. 

It's also about respecting the other and bearing in mind that people might always have something important to tell us, that we see just a tiny fragment of a huge picture which we get to appreciate over time only if we recognize the importance of the open, thoughtful debate and the importance of other people, including those who disagree with us, in sheding light on a certain subject.

We must be courageous enough to speak our minds, for sure, but humble enough to listen, ponder, consider, learn and recognize our own mistakes and flaws.
 
For sure, TM, there's a lot of disagreement over the issue of global warming - legitimate intellectual disagreement among very fine scholars who dedicate their lives to understand something. But it's of absolutely no help to promptly disconsider plausible and reasonable hypothesis and trashing them all away as "shit" -this kind of attitude erects a barrier in our way of learning things. And, worse, it isolates us and leaves us alone in a quest for knowledge we are ONLY able undertake WITH the help of other people.

I must say this works for me on my personal life too. It's of no use for me to keep alienating people kidding myself with the idea that I'm in any way self-sufficient: I lack things. I have needs. I know I need affection, sometimes care, a helpful hand in hard moments; even when I'm feeling super, I want to share this feeling with someone else. Just taking my poor, fragmented worldview as absolute truth and keep isolating people from me based on it would turn me into a very sad, bitter, resentful person, I think - and, you know what? In my early teens, I was exactly like that, and I learned it sucks big time.
 
I think people are not so much disagreeing with the content of what you have to say, but the way you present yourself to debate things - sometimes it comes across as arrogant, agressive and off-putting. 

Well, it's a tought. It helped me. Hope it may be helpful to you.

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I appreciate your post. Im just being myself and telling things as they are you know and its not like i want to argue or be arrogant, its the people who ridicule the things i say that annoys me and makes me talk to them as i do. You have to think logically, who are the people who control us and the government? are they good people with good intentions for the people or are they greedy elites who dont give a damn about regular people? the answer is the second.

Knowing that its very easy to see that they are using the global warming issue to tax the hell out of people and make it harder for them to use their car etc. these are very evil people and they control the entire society, education, media etc and have people brainwashed and naive, im just telling it like it is.

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How's this for trying to fit a concept into your non-existant mind, Amir:

Using sources NOT YouTube-based (like academic research papers posted online or such, for example) to back up your claims.



 

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First of all im not Amir

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Then which one's Pink?
Max? Milidrag? ... Andreas?
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pink? what are you talking about?