You can shear a sheep a thousand times, but kill it only once.
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no dear,its SHARE a sheep..
oh crap that got the Welsh all excited again :-p
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Care to explain to this Canadian what the thing with the Welsh and Sheep is? :-P
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a sheep is a Welsh Leisure Centre,the winters are very long in Wales...
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its also the reason why the Scots invented the kilt
Treasure Moment · Member since
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that band is very overrated, nowhere near TM or Queen in quality.
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Oh, but of course...
You say your band is better than Mozart, so naturally Pink Floyd doesn't stand a chance.
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what i meant about that is that mozart has good stuff but also has alot of crap and yes pink floyd are amateurish in comparision.
john bodega · Member since
Mum had some Mozart on the other day. Some of his stuff was really the elevator music of it's day, to be brutally honest... it was GREAT stuff, but sounded like it was really meant to be background music.
Then you have his Requiem, which is like... peerless. That does not equate to 'having some good stuff', TM. It's more like 'owning your stupid ass centuries before you were born'.
inu-liger · Member since
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Care to explain to this Canadian what the thing with the Welsh and Sheep is? :-P
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a sheep is a Welsh Leisure Centre,the winters are very long in Wales...
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its also the reason why the Scots invented the kilt
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Edit: Ahh, I see now:
http://everything2.com/title/Sheep%2520shagging
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
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Mum had some Mozart on the other day. Some of his stuff was really the elevator music of it's day, to be brutally honest... it was GREAT stuff, but sounded like it was really meant to be background music.
Then you have his Requiem, which is like... peerless. That does not equate to 'having some good stuff', TM. It's more like 'owning your stupid ass centuries before you were born'.
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Most of Mozart's work is in the Neo-Classicist style, which meant, basically, following the rules of strict counterpoint and classical harmony to the letter, leading to compositions that were regarded from around the 1820s on as rather dull, because they were somewhat predictable. Mozart managed to break a couple of rules here and there without anyone noticing (so that he'd get away with it), but was very career-oriented, and so didn't dare do anything that would estrange his public (who, after all, paid him to write music for them). The most interesting works of Mozart are to be found in his chamber-music, which was meant for performance to smaller, more selective audiences and could thus afford to be more 'experimental'. I can recommend the Quartet for two violins, viola and cello Nr. 17 in C major, KV465.
I'm not a Mozart-fan myself (far from it), but at least he's a hell of a lot less dull than his contemporaries and direct predecessors (e.g. Haydn).
JoxerTheDeityPirate · Member since
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Care to explain to this Canadian what the thing with the Welsh and Sheep is? :-P
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a sheep is a Welsh Leisure Centre,the winters are very long in Wales...
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its also the reason why the Scots invented the kilt
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Edit: Ahh, I see now:
http://everything2.com/title/Sheep%2520shagging
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as the old saying goes "no smoke without fire.."
The Real Wizard · Member since
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[b]Treasure Moment wrote: [/b]
that band is very overrated, nowhere near TM or Queen in quality.
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Oh, but of course...
You say your band is better than Mozart, so naturally Pink Floyd doesn't stand a chance.
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what i meant about that is that mozart has good stuff but also has alot of crap and yes pink floyd are amateurish in comparision.
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Mozart has a lot of crap, huh?
Indeed, I stand corrected.
Yara · Member since
Not really so, dear Thomas. Mozart was one of Beethoven's major and most enduring influences; according to some scholars, the major influence, period. Beethoven not only fashioned his 5th after some of Mozart's symphonies but also composed variations around themes from Mozart's most extraordinary operatic outputs. Much more than his chamber music, it was his symphonies, flute and piano concertos and, of course, breathtaking and groundbreaking operatic works that exerted influence on musicians from many trends in the 19th.
For instance, Chopin had Mozart as one of his heroes, and composed many songs based on his work; the same goes for Beethoven's most enthusiastic fan and Chopin's rival, Liszt, who had Mozart as a background for many works and wrote extensively about it - Liszt would prove to be one of the greatest innovators in music up until the coming of Schoenberg and others. He changed the away people approached this instrument, the piano, and more or less invented what we know as recital - all of this was inspired not only by Beethoven, of course, and Chopin, whom he really admired and kept admiring even after their personal feud, but also by Mozart, who had an extremely beautiful, sophisticated approach to the piano - as a major pianist himself, Mozart influenced other piano virtuosi in many ways.
Not to mention that Mozart's most prominent pupil was Nepomuk Hummel. ;-)))
Mozart was already very popular in the 19th century, of course. But more than being popular, he was a model and framework for some of 19th and 20th centuries greatest composers.
Even Wagner's work is heavily influenced on Mozart's operatic compositions. Mozart's work got Wagner into opera and his first work in this field, never performed during his life, "Die Feen", is completely fashioned after Mozart.
Some of the best works by Schubert have been inspired by Mozart symphonies.
The list is endless.
By Schubert's time, Mozart was already considered a genius, and not at all a predictable, dull composer - his influence on such amazing musicians is also proof that there was much more to his work than people could have realized in his days. But from 1820 on, Mozart was already one of the main forces composers had to tackle with, and the finest incorporated into and adapted to their own works much of Mozart's repertory, mainly symphonic, operatic and concertante.
He's been for a long time already one of the most popular composers ever. His work deeply affected the course of Western Music and his genius was unique.
His influence on Beethoven and Beethoven's sheer admiration for him is not only an interesting chapter in the history of music, but also one of the most revealing and symbolic too - it shows the extent to which Mozart was a bridge composers from the most different styles used to organize their own innovative work.
In this particular, historical and musical sense, I think you're wrong.
As for the taste, of course, there's no right or wrong: one can find all of Mozart's catalogue dull and boring. It's rare, I must say, because he's hugely popular even among people who don't enjoy what's labeled as "classical music", but it's in no way "wrong".
Taste is taste and, as medieval philosophers said, de gustibus non est disputandum.
Big hug
Micrówave · Member since
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[b]"a group of elite corrupted people who own the central banks and the government and want you as a fucking slave"
[/b]Huh.
Actually the elite corrupted people you talk about are probably looking for jobs right now. Perhaps you haven't noticed what's happened to the "central banks" and the "government" these last few months. Maybe you should pick up a newspaper and leave the internet alone for a couple of hours.
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thats not the elite on top, sure alot of rich people have lost alot now too but not the very top who is always in power.
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So can you give me a name or something? Is it Conrad Bain that you're speaking of?
Treasure Moment · Member since
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[b]Treasure Moment wrote: [/b]
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[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b]
[b]"a group of elite corrupted people who own the central banks and the government and want you as a fucking slave"
[/b]Huh.
Actually the elite corrupted people you talk about are probably looking for jobs right now. Perhaps you haven't noticed what's happened to the "central banks" and the "government" these last few months. Maybe you should pick up a newspaper and leave the internet alone for a couple of hours.
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thats not the elite on top, sure alot of rich people have lost alot now too but not the very top who is always in power.
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So can you give me a name or something? Is it Conrad Bain that you're speaking of?
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David rockefeller, Rothchild family are some but there are people even higher than them most likely. I dont get why you people have such a hard time understanding something like 2+2=4
john bodega · Member since
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David rockefeller, Rothchild family are some but there are people even higher than them most likely. I dont get why you people have such a hard time understanding something like 2+2=4
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TM, look closely at what you just wrote, specifically :
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You are begging us to take you seriously when you do not even have any cold hard facts.
This is not 2+2=4. This is 2+maybe=4. You don't even have a handle on the issue that you're trying to educate us on; how are we meant to even try to pay attention?
Do some real research or fuck off.
Holly2003 · Member since
I've heard Bill Oddie's name mentioned in those circles. Here he is with two minions (kang and kodos) and a giant, evil space dog or something. A very sinister man. [url=http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/22/thegoodiesthen_wideweb__430x253.jpg]http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/22/thegoodiesthen_wideweb__430x253.jpg[/url]
Treasure Moment · Member since
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I've heard Bill Oddie's name mentioned in those circles. Here he is with two minions (kang and kodos) and a giant, evil space dog or something. A very sinister man. [url=http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/22/thegoodiesthen_wideweb__430x253.jpg]http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/22/thegoodiesthen_wideweb__430x253.jpg[/url] [/QUOTE]
you are a braindead childish retard, FACT
Treasure Moment · Member since
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David rockefeller, Rothchild family are some but there are people even higher than them most likely. I dont get why you people have such a hard time understanding something like 2+2=4
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TM, look closely at what you just wrote, specifically :
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[QUOTE][i] but there are people even higher than them most likely. [/i]
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You are begging us to take you seriously when you do not even have any cold hard facts.
This is not 2+2=4. This is 2+maybe=4. You don't even have a handle on the issue that you're trying to educate us on; how are we meant to even try to pay attention?
Do some real research or fuck off.
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There are levels, the people i mentioned are behind the curtain but there are most likely people who control them too who arent even known.
Holly2003 · Member since
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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]
I've heard Bill Oddie's name mentioned in those circles. Here he is with two minions (kang and kodos) and a giant, evil space dog or something. A very sinister man. [url=http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/22/thegoodiesthen_wideweb__430x253.jpg]http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/22/thegoodiesthen_wideweb__430x253.jpg[/url]
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you are a braindead childish retard, FACT
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Are you in league with Bill Oddie? What are you hiding?
