By default, Deism is correct. It assumes that a larger force created the universe, and did nothing else to interact with it after the fact. Many other lines of thought have more or less rendered deism obsolete, but I'm just trying to illustrate that there are religious ideas that can be formed and perpetuated through intellect.
The Bahais are pretty intelligent folk too. Look them up as well, if you can pretend to be tolerant for a moment...
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Let me explain that better, i do believe there is a god, a force, something that controls and creates however i dont think childrens story books like the bible knows anything about it since all of that is man made crap.
Freya is quietly judging you. · Member since
Then how can you possibly claim to be an atheist? You make no sense.
Treasure Moment · Member since
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I only say im atheist meaning i dont believe in man made gods of the organized religion, i know i should use another word instead.
Yara · Member since
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fuck all religions, they are for retards who cant think logically.[/QUOTE]
Hi, TM!
Nice to hear from you again. I hope you're ok.
Religions have indeed caused lots and lots of problems throughout the times. And, I must say, they are still a quite strong force behind much of the hatred and the brutality all over the world: Muslims blowing themselves up and killing innocents, Israel leaders acting like butchers, Catholic priests abusing children, and on and on. The report of what happened in Ireland during the 40's in the Catholic Institutions has just been released, I think - it's just gruesome. It was abuse of children on a massive scale, it seems. And it's not THAT back in time...
It's really sad - when I think of a muslim blowing himself up in a bus or a butcher-in-charge as Ariel Sharon was, I get really saddened.
I'm deeply religious - I'm Jewish, I've been brought up in a quit rigid hasidic tradition, but the trauma my family went through during the Nazi period helped making my grandparents more tolerant and open-minded and they brought their children this way. My late father was as tolerant as one could expect from a religious person, though my mother, I must point out, has always had a quite harsh way of dealing with people in general because of religion.
I guess for people who committ so much violence in the name of "higher goals", be them a divinity or some secular Utopia, we could say something worse than retard - they're inhumane, evil.
Take care and have a nice week!
Yara
Mr.Jingles · Member since
I'm from New York, which is well possibly the most racially and ethnically diverse metropolitan area in the world, and despite of the mix of cultures here, there are many who still complain about the amount of people from other nations who live in this country. What pisses me off the most is that the great mayority of U.S. born New Yorkers descend from immigrants, and never once consider that their ancestors came from a boat that docked at Ellis Island, and they wouldn't like it if someone had told their grandparents to fuck off and go back to their country in the same boat the came from.
So for the most part I could say that people here must have a degree of tolerance for other cultures, but there's a good number of douchebags who don't anything but complain instead of moving to a place where everybody is white and christian.
Needless to say, after 9/11 the Muslim are the ones who received the worst treatment, and sadly I heard a couple of very malicious comments when a mosque opened a few blocks from my parents' house. It's been about 7 years, and this mosque hasn't seemed to affect anyone in the slightest form, and yet I'm sure some fuckin' moron will complain about it. Shamefully I have to say that our Congressional district representative is a fuckin' racist cunt, who is endorses racial profiling and said that in this country "there's too many mosques". Now he might run for the Senate, and I'm seriously hoping that he loses.
Mr.Jingles · Member since
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[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
Then how can you possibly claim to be an atheist? You make no sense.
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I only say im atheist meaning i dont believe in man made gods of the organized religion, i know i should use another word instead.
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That doesn't make sense.
Atheists completely deny the fact that there's a higher being who created the earth and the universe. That being said, it seems like you are more of an agnostic than an atheist.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
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I only say im atheist meaning i dont believe in man made gods of the organized religion, i know i should use another word instead.
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You mean deism (if you believe in some kind of supernatural power creating the universe) or perhaps agnosticism (if you do not believe there *is* a god, but do not believe that there *isn't* a god either).
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
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[b]Treasure Moment wrote: [/b]
fuck all religions, they are for retards who cant think logically.
By default, Deism is correct. It assumes that a larger force created the universe, and did nothing else to interact with it after the fact. Many other lines of thought have more or less rendered deism obsolete, but I'm just trying to illustrate that there are religious ideas that can be formed and perpetuated through intellect.
The Bahais are pretty intelligent folk too. Look them up as well, if you can pretend to be tolerant for a moment...
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I understand what you mean, but I think it is taking things a little too far to state that "by default, Deism is correct", as it does presuppose a creator. While it cannot be ruled out that there is/was a creator, it is not a necessity: the universe might be a fully physical phenomenon (though, as a Cartesian dualist, I do not consider this the most likely scenario). So while I agree that Deism has its merits, I would argue that the stance of Agnosticism (which accepts that there is no way to have knowledge of the existence or non-existence of any super-being) is closer to 'being correct', if there is such a thing (philosophy tends to accept that there is no one universe, but a unique universe for every subject [i.e. every being with a consciousness).
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
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I think that racism comes from xenophobia which is very deeply rooted in human beings.It takes common sense and education to overcome racism. It is so much easier to just be scared of someone who looks different, speaks a different language and has other habits. I think Brandon is right saying that governments use xenophobia to manipulate the masses - for example into war and genocide. In Europe racism is not welcome by the ruling powers and therefore it is socially unacceptable while it was used by the Bush regime to gain public approval for their oil wars.
However, each individual is equipped and able to overcome xenophobia and racism. We have to learn from history and try hard to be immune against attempts to offer us scapegoats and oversimplified explanations. When I read blogs on the internet on any given topic I am very pessimistic about the results of education and civilization, though.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Education and interaction are probably the only cures for xenophobia. The problem is that there have always been, and probably will always be, people so evil that they are willing to use such base feelings for cheap political gain. Sadly, we seem to be in the midst of a period where this kind of action works (thank you, Neo-Cons), as opposed to e.g. the '90s, when racist politics failed to gain any support here in the Netherlands, at least.
Mr.Jingles · Member since
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Then how can you possibly claim to be an atheist? You make no sense.
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I only say im atheist meaning i dont believe in man made gods of the organized religion, i know i should use another word instead.
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You mean deism (if you believe in some kind of supernatural power creating the universe) or perhaps agnosticism (if you do not believe there *is* a god, but do not believe that there *isn't* a god either).
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Treasure Moment · Member since
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Then how can you possibly claim to be an atheist? You make no sense.
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I only say im atheist meaning i dont believe in man made gods of the organized religion, i know i should use another word instead.
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You mean deism (if you believe in some kind of supernatural power creating the universe) or perhaps agnosticism (if you do not believe there *is* a god, but do not believe that there *isn't* a god either).
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Not really, i know what the word means, i just used it to say that i dont believe in their gods, im an atheist when it comes to their gods.
The Real Wizard · Member since
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I understand what you mean, but I think it is taking things a little too far to state that "by default, Deism is correct", as it does presuppose a creator. While it cannot be ruled out that there is/was a creator, it is not a necessity: the universe might be a fully physical phenomenon (though, as a Cartesian dualist, I do not consider this the most likely scenario). So while I agree that Deism has its merits, I would argue that the stance of Agnosticism (which accepts that there is no way to have knowledge of the existence or non-existence of any super-being) is closer to 'being correct', if there is such a thing (philosophy tends to accept that there is no one universe, but a unique universe for every subject [i.e. every being with a consciousness).
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Ahh, how I love an intelligent debate.
>the universe might be a fully physical phenomenon
But then there's always the question of what is ultimately propelling it...
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Not really, i know what the word means, i just used it to say that i dont believe in their gods, im an atheist when it comes to their gods.
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That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen an (apparently educated) person say in my entire life.
In that case, everyone is an atheist because not a single person believes in both the monotheistic God and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Put that double-digit IQ of yours to work and learn to quote posts properly. Some of yours take up half a page (in this case, it's currently almost the entire page).
Treasure Moment · Member since
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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
I understand what you mean, but I think it is taking things a little too far to state that "by default, Deism is correct", as it does presuppose a creator. While it cannot be ruled out that there is/was a creator, it is not a necessity: the universe might be a fully physical phenomenon (though, as a Cartesian dualist, I do not consider this the most likely scenario). So while I agree that Deism has its merits, I would argue that the stance of Agnosticism (which accepts that there is no way to have knowledge of the existence or non-existence of any super-being) is closer to 'being correct', if there is such a thing (philosophy tends to accept that there is no one universe, but a unique universe for every subject [i.e. every being with a consciousness).
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Ahh, how I love an intelligent debate.
>the universe might be a fully physical phenomenon
But then there's always the question of what is ultimately propelling it...
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Not really, i know what the word means, i just used it to say that i dont believe in their gods, im an atheist when it comes to their gods.
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That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen an (apparently educated) person say in my entire life.
In that case, everyone is an atheist because not a single person believes in both the monotheistic God and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Put that double-digit IQ of yours to work and learn to quote posts properly. Some of yours take up half a page (in this case, it's currently almost the entire page).
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I said i used the word atheist out of laziness because i didnt bother to find out what the word for my beliefs were at the time. ALso IQ has nothing to do with real intelligence, its some bullshit test that has no real meaning. You can be intelligent in many different ways, not only the fucktarded version of that test wants you to be.
andreas_mercury · Member since
laziness is something you know very well it seems to me ......... and greed.
Treasure Moment · Member since
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laziness is something you know very well it seems to me ......... and greed.[/QUOTE]
you are a funny clown pretending to be a former member :D
