Dream Theater covering Queen on their new album!

Treasure Moment wrote:







Yes of course, a good song is a catchy song and they cant write one therfor they arent a good band.

Allow me to paraphrase:

"Yes of course, my ignorance has convinced me that anything isn't catchy isn't good.  My musically and intellectually limited mind cannot possibly fathom other ways in which a song can be good."

Catchy hooks are a device in pop music, but not in most other genres.  They're only inferior in some way if you label them as such.

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Treasure Moment wrote:



 



 



 



Yes of course, a good song is a catchy song and they cant write one therfor they arent a good band.



 



 



 

Allow me to paraphrase:

"Yes of course, my ignorance has convinced me that anything isn't catchy isn't good.  My musically and intellectually limited mind cannot possibly fathom other ways in which a song can be good."

Catchy hooks are a device in pop music, but not in most other genres.  They're only inferior in some way if you label them as such.

If the song doesnt have anything cathy or emotional it sucks, simple as that.

So, there you have it, if your song is not Catchy and/or Emotional TO THIS TreasureMoment GUY then your band must be crap.

He does have a point. Everybody likes catchy songs but one could argue that a ballad by "_insert_current_pop_artist's_name_here_" is both emotional and catchy and this guy would still say it's crap.

And this only shows us that when it comes to music tastes, it's all subjective.

Angels, by Robbie Williams?
Total Eclipse of the Heart, by Bonnie Tyler?
Making love out of nothing at all, by Air Supply?
(Yep, that's to Jim Steinman songs there)

Actually, emotional doesn't necessarily mean Sad or Melancholic.

You can write a very emotional, sincere and catchy song stating that you "like big butts and you cannot lie..." ;)

Treasure Moment wrote:


If the song doesnt have anything cathy or emotional it sucks, simple as that.

Who the hell is cathy?  And what has she got to do with all this?
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By the way TM, I know its typo, ok

Wiley wrote:















Total Eclipse of the Heart, by Bonnie Tyler?

It's clearly a horrible song because it's not catchy enough.  Jim Steinman is talentless because he never worked with Freddie.  Maybe if someone from Treasure Moment played on the track I would take it more seriously.

We need to sell TM's definition of music to every music psychologist in the world.  I think we're onto something here...

Wiley wrote:

So, there you have it, if your song is not Catchy and/or Emotional TO THIS TreasureMoment GUY then your band must be crap.

Your song doesn't need to be catchy. But it does need to have cathy in it (see TM's quote in my last post).

So there you have it. The formula for a successful hit is an emotional song all about Cathy.

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Total Eclipse of the Heart, by Bonnie Tyler?



 



 



 



 



 



 



 

It's clearly a horrible song because it's not catchy enough.  Jim Steinman is talentless because he never worked with Freddie.  Maybe if someone from Treasure Moment played on the track I would take it more seriously.

We need to sell TM's definition of music to every music psychologist in the world.  I think we're onto something here...

Im just saying, the songs ive heard from DT arent good, its not catchy or emotional, they are very skilled but cant write a good song, at least those i heard werent.

I love their version of Spread Your Wings - TM did you hear that one ?

@Treasure Moment:you should listen to the 'Metropolis II'-Album. Although I second your oppinion on most of the songs of DT, this album is DEFINETLY worth listening... [/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]...but the snippet on amazon shows that they can play anything technically. but that's not the point of good music, is it? LaBrie's accent sucks :-D [/QUOTE]

pittrek wrote:

I love their version of Spread Your Wings - TM did you hear that one ?

no i havent but thats a cover, i want to hear an original song by them thats good.

 



princetom wrote:



@Treasure Moment:you should listen to the 'Metropolis II'-Album. Although I second your oppinion on most of the songs of DT, this album is DEFINETLY worth listening... 

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thanks, ill see if some of the songs from that album is on youtube.

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no i havent but thats a cover, i want to hear an original song by them thats good.

But what's the point?  All you'll do is listen with pre-conceived notions that no musician is better than Freddie, and you'll find some far-fetched reason to say the music is inferior to what your band writes.

That said, Images And Words and Scenes From A Memory are solid albums.  6:00, Caught In A Web, New Millennium, and Peruvian Skies are great tunes on their own to start off with.  Erotomania and Hell's Kitchen are superb instrumentals as well.  Learning To Live is one of the greatest prog rock pieces ever written, up there with anything Yes did in their prime.

On second thought, never mind... I've just realized that the filler on Mr Bad Guy is better.

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no i havent but thats a cover, i want to hear an original song by them thats good.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 

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But what's the point?  All you'll do is listen with pre-conceived notions that no musician is better than Freddie, and you'll find some far-fetched reason to say the music is inferior to what your band writes.

That said, Images And Words and Scenes From A Memory are solid albums.  6:00, Caught In A Web, New Millennium, and Peruvian Skies are great tunes on their own to start off with.  Erotomania and Hell's Kitchen are superb instrumentals as well.  Learning To Live is one of the greatest prog rock pieces ever written, up there with anything Yes did in their prime.

On second thought, never mind... I've just realized that the filler on Mr Bad Guy is better.

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Thats not true, im not saying ONLY freddie is good and there isnt other good music out there, im just saying ive listened to a few DT songs and while very skilled they cant write a GOOD song.

Here is a guy that is as skilled as them but the difference being he can write a good catchy emotional song, im pretty sure this song is better than anything DT has ever done:

vhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcZi6xr3ePw&fmt=18

Treasure Moment wrote:































































Thats not true, im not saying ONLY freddie is good and there isnt other good music out there

But you have misguidedly stated in the past that, in all aspects, Freddie is the greatest musician ever.  As incredible as he was, nobody can be the whole package.

im just saying ive listened to a few DT songs and while very skilled they cant write a GOOD song.

Yes, they are very skilled, but the latter is your opinion.  Skill can be measured to some degree, but what makes a good song is relative to one's tastes.  I can only hope you'll come to understand this some day.

Here is a guy that is as skilled as them but the difference being he can write a good catchy emotional song, im pretty sure this song is better than anything DT has ever done:

vhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcZi6xr3ePw&fmt=18

That is also your opinion.

To me, it's standard 80s speed metal.  Great tune, and he's certainly a great player.