The Miracle - 20 years now

I really enjoy this type of thread! Thanks for starting it!

The Miracle has always been my least favorite Queen album(I've been a Queen fan for a very long time--since 1974. I am ANCIENT), and, one that got played very little after purchase. In fact, I do not even have the CD, however, after reading through, here, I think I need to go out and buy it, and, give it another listen!

To me this Album is the comeback of Queen old creatives days. Don't you think?
At least I see some of that magic back lost since the Jazz album or even The Game. And you can tell it by comarping every song with any of The Works, which look pretty much static and insulse.
Of course the result of the album is a little shaky, but the overall result is more than enjoyable. Plus Freddie's voice is much better than the previous albums.

My God I feel old....







Anyways... Didn't like it much then, haven't listened to it in years.  20 years you say?  Geez....

I'm in shock at this topic!
I really hadn't given it much thought and I can't believe 20 years have passed since Miracle came out.
I've been listening to Queen since the 70s so in my mind I always consider The Miracle to be a "recent" album.  20 years....wow...how quickly time passes.
I'm going to get out and actually DO something today - life is short.

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Fair enough.  As fans of music, we're inclined to think that way.  But Brian has recently said it was a proper Queen album, so who are we to say otherwise?

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Of course the producer would say that... but at the end of the day it's about how each one of us feels about the concept of 'proper (Queen) album'. IMO, 'Flash' is, 'Made in Heaven' isn't, and there could be thousands of people agreeing and disagreeing with both.

Word meanings and concepts aren't an exact science.

Their best rock song of the 80's Was It All Worth It almost seems to have been completely forgotten - again a product of the trend for pumping out the chart-friendly singles format.

I always imagine a Queen show starting with Chinese Torture on a tape and bursting into the riff for WIAWI a-la the '77 concert opener.

I often wonder how its video would be...

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Fair enough.  As fans of music, we're inclined to think that way.  But Brian has recently said it was a proper Queen album, so who are we to say otherwise?





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Of course the producer would say that... but at the end of the day it's about how each one of us feels about the concept of 'proper (Queen) album'. IMO, 'Flash' is, 'Made in Heaven' isn't, and there could be thousands of people agreeing and disagreeing with both.

Word meanings and concepts aren't an exact science.
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Of course... a very fair point.  But I think in a case like this, a member of the band can veto it, as it's ultimately their art to label.

Yes and no... if I write a poem in English and say it's in German, it's still in English... no matter what I, the author, think of it. Same if I write a horror film and label it as comedy, or if I take a B/W pic and say it's sepia, etc.

And also, just because one member of the band thinks 'x' project is a true Queen album, doesn't necessarily mean the other three also think that; it doesn't mean they don't either.

What if a member of Treasure Moment labels their art as better than Beatles and Mozart? Should we assume it's right just because they say so?

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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]

if I write a poem in English and say it's in German, it's still in English... no matter what I, the author, think of it.
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So you are suggesting that the terms "album" and "soundtrack" are as rigidly defined as the terms English and German?

In a way, yes: languages aren't as rigid as one may think. If I write 'mazel tov! tell Angelique's fiancé to get here pronto - I want to meet her new beau', I'm still writing in English, but some people may doubt how 'purely' because of Hebrew, French and Spanish terms being introduced. Likewise, an album could still be an album regardless of the film snippets thrown in, but at the end of the day the 'purity' is depending on each person.

Huh... you learn something every day.

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In a way, yes: languages aren't as rigid as one may think. If I write 'mazel tov! tell Angelique's fiancé to get here pronto - I want to meet her new beau', I'm still writing in English, but some people may doubt how 'purely' because of Hebrew, French and Spanish terms being introduced. Likewise, an album could still be an album regardless of the film snippets thrown in, but at the end of the day the 'purity' is depending on each person.
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no, i will still say you are speaking english but you watch too much television.

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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]

Fair enough.  As fans of music, we're inclined to think that way.  But Brian has recently said it was a proper Queen album, so who are we to say otherwise?

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I do think it's a proper album, in terms of it being a legitimate album. It's legitimacy has never been questioned by me. The only Queen album whose legitimacy I question is TCR, but that would take an entire essay to discuss.

You know, it's interesting. Other than the quality of different songs, I rarely question the judgements of Queen. Going to Sun City, the WWRY musical, continuing as 'Queen' post Freddie & John, and referring to Flash as a studio album are the only times in which I've questioned their judgement.

In this case, I'm doing so partly because I honestly regard Flash to be a soundtrack rather than a studio album, but also because I think it's unfair to Flash that it be described as a studio album. Queenpedia has referred to it as the black sheep in Queen's (classical) discography. A member of this site has referred to it as Queen's 'redheaded step-child.' Certainly, I would rank it below my least favourite conventional studio albums, although I don't really think it can be compared to the other albums. I mean, The Miracle is my least favourite conventional studio album. I prefer it to Flash, but that's like comparing apples and oranges, thay are that different. I would imagine that even its most passionate fans would struggle to compare it to the other albums due to its unique nature.

My point is that I do consider it to be a soundtrack (it's directly based on a film) but its unique nature is such that I honestly don't think it can be compared to the other, more conevntional Queen albums. Incidentally, although I rarely listen to it, I do think that it showcases what an interesting and creative experimental roock band Queen truly are ( or were.)

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In a way, yes: languages aren't as rigid as one may think. If I write 'mazel tov! tell Angelique's fiancé to get here pronto - I want to meet her new beau', I'm still writing in English, but some people may doubt how 'purely' because of Hebrew, French and Spanish terms being introduced. Likewise, an album could still be an album regardless of the film snippets thrown in, but at the end of the day the 'purity' is depending on each person.

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no, i will still say you are speaking english but you watch too much television.

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Actually, I don't: only Britain's Got Talent but that ends up tonight. I love the odd programme like 'New Tricks', 'Scrubs' or 'Lewis', but I mostly watch downloaded episodes, not on telly.