Lambert - "like a comet shooting across the sky".

I think there is a large difference between joining Queen, working with Queen, and working with Queen +, i.e., Brian and Roger and Spike and Co.  I think we are talking about that last one.  And I don't really have an issue with it.

***** its NOT FREDDY but FREDDIE for GOD'S SAKE!

and another thing, someone said right thing - can he write, can he play any instruments??? just remember PAUL who could sing and write amazing songs for all his long career. this guy can't write songs classy songs for Queen, or he can, is he a miracle who can join Queen and Freddie will be forgotten because of him.

COME ONE GUYS THIS GUY SURELY CANT WRITE AS CLOSE AS FIRST DOT OF F letter from FREDDIE WORD. one micromillimeter .... he cant compete with Freddie nor Paul, all Brian and Roger can do is write for him and he will sing.

i want Brian and Roger to rock again as Queen, i really do... but i think they will ruing their reputation if they choose this INSTANT Tv  star... i mean, FREDDIE, THEN PAUL and THEN Lambert???? WHO THE F*** IS LAMBERT???

[listu] [li][i][b]PAUL PLEASE COME BACK !!!!!!!!!!!! [img=/images/smiley/msn/cry_smile.gif][/img]
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Hi, Thomas Tønnesen!
 
How are you?

Wow, what a nice and well-written and thought out post. :-)) It was really great to read it.

I agree with you on the lad's skills - he sings well, and I always think that gifted people may improve over time under the right circumstances.

Believe it or not, I'm not very optimistic about Roger and Brian, though. It hurts me to say this, but ever since Freddie died, Roger and Brian, by themselves, haven't amount to anything. I hate to say this and to think like that, but I say to myself: "It's been almost 18 - 18! - years ever since Freddie died and their relevance to music has been close to zero". It's been 18 years. I am 18 year-old - when I think about it, I mean...I'd never have heard about them if it were not for Queen and, mainly, Freddie, who after his death, as everyone tells me, became this myth and legendary figure. I was born about the same time Freddie died and I grew up without Brian May and Roger Taylor in my music horizont: I've always listened to a LOT OF MUSIC but their appeal must have been so insignificant that I had always assumed they had just retired after Queen disbanded.   

Arg, I don't like saying this, it sounds ugly, but it's how I feel, I feel as if the musical landscape, so to speak, would have remained almost the same had these two great musicians not done anything in music. "No One But You" has been the only redeeming moment perhaps - one song in 18 years, and even this song is a kind of hommage to Freddie and featured John Deacon!  

I'll stop it now because I don't like thinking this way. But it's been too much time for me to expect anything more from them, really - I just hope they're happy in whatever they do and I wish them the very best. If eventually a great album comes, I'd be thrilled and, as a fan, quite proud!, but I feel it's not happening.

To me this has much more to do with Brian and Roger than with the Adam Lambert. 

I loved your post, though. I would like to have written it myself - it's well-argued and written and I'd love to express the same feelings as you, really. I think I'm envious. :op 

Take care and congratulations for the great post!

Yara

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[b]Yara wrote: [/b]

Hi, Thomas Tønnesen!
 
How are you?

Wow, what a nice and well-written and thought out post. :-)) It was really great to read it.

I agree with you on the lad's skills - he sings well, and I always think that gifted people may improve over time under the right circumstances.

Believe it or not, I'm not very optimistic about Roger and Brian, though. It hurts me to say this, but ever since Freddie died, Roger and Brian, by themselves, haven't amount to anything. I hate to say this and to think like that, but I say to myself: "It's been almost 18 - 18! - years ever since Freddie died and their relevance to music has been close to zero". It's been 18 years. I am 18 year-old - when I think about it, I mean...I'd never have heard about them if it were not for Queen and, mainly, Freddie, who after his death, as everyone tells me, became this myth and legendary figure. I was born about the same time Freddie died and I grew up without Brian May and Roger Taylor in my music horizont: I've always listened to a LOT OF MUSIC but their appeal must have been so insignificant that I had always assumed they had just retired after Queen disbanded.   

Arg, I don't like saying this, it sounds ugly, but it's how I feel, I feel as if the musical landscape, so to speak, would have remained almost the same had these two great musicians not done anything in music. "No One But You" has been the only redeeming moment perhaps - one song in 18 years, and even this song is a kind of hommage to Freddie and featured John Deacon!  

I'll stop it now because I don't like thinking this way. But it's been too much time for me to expect anything more from them, really - I just hope they're happy in whatever they do and I wish them the very best. If eventually a great album comes, I'd be thrilled and, as a fan, quite proud!, but I feel it's not happening.

To me this has much more to do with Brian and Roger than with the Adam Lambert. 

I loved your post, though. I would like to have written it myself - it's well-argued and written and I'd love to express the same feelings as you, really. I think I'm envious. :op 

Take care and congratulations for the great post!

Yara
 





  


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great post and very very true. some queenzoners don't want to admit that queen have been Insignificant since freddie died, if they admit that than they sound like freddie stefords.  i'm a fan of all four members of this band (roger the least) but the facts are the facts.  Queen are a mess without freddie.  Some Don't want to admit that.

Having only seen the two American Idol finalists performing WATC and nothing else, I don't know what the fuss is. They're both sound like a pair of karaoke singers.

Sometimes it’s easy to get carried away. Some say I did with my post ;) It was meant that way. The post still stands. I do think it’s possible to create new music which will be far more interesting and fulfilling than The Cosmos Rocks. And I also do think that Lambert will be able to pull it off.
 
But how likely is it? I agree that it might be too far-fetched and too much to expect, and maybe impossible. Maybe they have dried out creatively? And as for Lamberts writing abilities, I wouldn’t know. But you never now what they could create as unit. With an instrument that Lambert’s got, maybe that will even push Brian and Roger further as writers. This is just pure speculation and me ranting.
 
And as for Queen being a non-productive and non-creative unit for almost 20 years – I see your point. They have been productive in a way that has kept Queen in the picture; they have produced and created “We Will Rock You” – the musical, played live with a number of artists, released albums and DVDs, recorded songs and albums and so on. Many people will indeed attack me for my next argument;
 
I think that Roger and Brian’s work with keeping and preserving Queen in today’s music business has bared its fruits; Many films have included their music, references to the band et.c, and both famous and unknown artists have recorded and performed their songs, mentioned their influence in all kinds of ways, from showmanship, creative writing and musical performance. Has it been worth it? Or has the Queen legacy been destroyed by these years of collaborations, releases and new products in whatever way? Although some of them has been quite embarrassing – it has managed to keep Queen in the business in many ways.
 
I do agree that the creative output, “songwriting wise” has been non-revolutionary, and in fact to some degree not relevant. “No One But You” is a beautiful song, with meaning and substance – but that is it. All the 46664 stuff sounds to me dull and too ambitious. And as for the Cosmos Rock – even though I like the album, I find it quite boring and uninspiring. So, yes I do understand that some find Queen insignificant since Freddie died in terms of recordings. But that doesn’t mean they still can’t pull it of with the right person, in the right environment.


And for those who think Lambert is a karaoke singer - get a life!

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[b]Yara wrote: [/b]

Believe it or not, I'm not very optimistic about Roger and Brian, though. It hurts me to say this, but ever since Freddie died, Roger and Brian, by themselves, haven't amount to anything. I hate to say this and to think like that, but I say to myself: "It's been almost 18 - 18! - years ever since Freddie died and their relevance to music has been close to zero".

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Anyone who's been in a band like Queen has that problem. I can't remember the last time a member of a HUGE 60's/70's/80's band has actually created new music which overshadowed his/her former band. The only exception I can think of is Michael Jackson. Besides that - any band who has had their peak in the 60's/70's or 80's will never reach that height again. Look at the Stones, the Who, McCartney, Queen - anyone from that era still 'active' today. Sure, McCartney made some great stuff with Wings and solo. The last Who-album was a whole lot better than most people were expecting and apparently the last Stones album was also really good - but those acts will ALWAYS be remembered for Hey Jude, Paint It Black and My Generation. Same with Queen - they will always be remembered for WWRY (the song, not the musical) and BoRhap.

For me it's not about expecting a new Bohemian Rhapsody which sells millions and hits number 1 all over the world. It's about seeing my favorite musicians in the world enjoy making music together - be it live or a new studio record. ALL of the Queen-related releases had at least a couple of interesting tunes - and that's always better than NOTHING at all, like it was from 1998 up until 2008. The sheer thrill of finally getting some REAL new Queen-related music is something that I hope hasn't happened for the last time in 2008.

I have to agree though with your comment about No-One But You. For me too, that was the last song that had the real Queen magic. Maybe it wasn't Freddy who added the secret ingredient, but John? ;-)

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I do agree that the creative output, “songwriting wise” has been non-revolutionary, and in fact to some degree not relevant. “No One But You” is a beautiful song, with meaning and substance – but that is it. All the 46664 stuff sounds to me dull and too ambitious. And as for the Cosmos Rock – even though I like the album, I find it quite boring and uninspiring. So, yes I do understand that some find Queen insignificant since Freddie died in terms of recordings. But that doesn’t mean they still can’t pull it of with the right person, in the right environment.

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Agreed about the 46664 stuff. Especially Invincible Hope sounds like "Roger-Taylor-by-numbers" - a nice track, but nothing really great. Can't agree about Cosmos Rocks though - songs like Small and Cosmos Rocking show a (for me at least) new side of Roger's songwriting. I think it's great that Roger has renewed his "love" for music in the last couple of years. If people had asked me 5 years ago who'd call it quits the soonest - Brian or Roger - I'd have said Roger without a doubt. After Electric Fire in 1998 up until 2005 Roger barely touched a drumkit I think - except for the occassional promo-performance - and boy did it show. But nowadays it seems that Brian is more and more busy with other types of projects. I find it hard to believe that Brian only contributed three tracks to the Cosmos Rocks album, where in the past he was the most profilic writer in the band. But if the only thing he can come up with these days is Still Burning maybe it's better this way ;-)

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I have to agree though with your comment about No-One But You. For me too, that was the last song that had the real Queen magic. Maybe it wasn't Freddy who added the secret ingredient, but John? ;-) [/QUOTE]
I think John certianly played a major part. I don't want to get off topic into yet another 'is Queen still Queen without Freddie' discussion, but I think that the combination of Brian, Roger and John can still perform magic. If John came back, not just as a bass player but also as a song-writer, I would be much more accepting of whatever they chose to do.

I also think that John played an integral and important part in the Queen sound, as No One But You shows. The bass playing in "The Cosmos Rocks" doesn't do anything for me. It is uninspiring, not very creative and it feels like an instrument just put in for having a basssegment in the production. This lets down the album for me.



We will probably never get John back to lay some basslines, but that isn't very suprising...



As for Roger's playing and songwriting - He plays excellent and it reminds me of his 70's period. Superb. His songwriting is ok. The Cosmos Rockin is an unoriginal, Status Quo meets Slade composition. Not very impressed. Small is a nice tune, but not that great.

Agree with all of the last posts.  Everyone in life has a time and place, and for the aforementioned bands, it would be virtually impossible to break through to kids (rock is a young man's game) at age 60 the way they did for me when I heard ANATO for the first time, or saw them live.  They don't ahve the same energy, and why would they, that they did when they were young men trying to make their mark.  Human nature is human nature, and they can't be as hungry as they were in the 70s, and that is reflected in lesser albums and less energetic concerts.  
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It's not just about the singing. It's also about the songwriting. Brian and Roger can't write songs like Freddie did which was a major part of the band. For me, Queen ended with the death of Freddie. RIP!

[b]Thomas Tønnesen wrote: 
 
And as for Queen being a non-productive and non-creative unit for almost 20 years – I see your point. They have been productive in a way that has kept Queen in the picture; they have produced and created “We Will Rock You” – the musical, played live with a number of artists, released albums and DVDs, recorded songs and albums and so on. Many people will indeed attack me for my next argument;
 
I think that Roger and Brian’s work with keeping and preserving Queen in today’s music business has bared its fruits; Many films have included their music, references to the band et.c, and both famous and unknown artists have recorded and performed their songs, mentioned their influence in all kinds of ways, from showmanship, creative writing and musical performance. Has it been worth it? Or has the Queen legacy been destroyed by these years of collaborations, releases and new products in whatever way? Although some of them has been quite embarrassing – it has managed to keep Queen in the business in many ways.[/b] 
 



 



 



 

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Hi, Thomas!

How are you?

Well, great reply. I just think that Brian and Roger could have done all that - that is, promoting Queen and keeping the band legacy alive - [b]while working on new stuff! [/b]What prevented them from doing it? My guess is: maybe lack of inspiration?

I'm almost resenting having written that post, it's not fair, it's harsh, but it's how I feel, I like the guys so much, but I have to be honest to myself: their record with regard to new material is just absolutely insignificant - one song in 18 years? And a song paying tribute to Freddie, in a certain way, and featuring John Deacon. :op

I have to stop this. It all boils down to the fact that The Cosmos Rock was a huge frustration to me - it was bound to be a great album: Paul Rodgers, Roger Taylor, Brian May...and the output was a trivial predictable and even at times outright mediocre, to my humble taste.

Mind people, this is ONLY my very personal taste, and I appreciate a lot the fact that there are many people who do enjoy Brian's and Roger's solo works and the Cosmos Rock. It's great, I respect that a lot, I loved to see the guys live, but my feeling is that...it hurts me to say, but I look at them and listen to them talking and listen to the music and it's as if they were ambassadors to Queen, always being forced to look backwards for lack of clue about how going forward. 

Oh, my. This is really sad, but it's how I feel. 

I'd love, I'd be just thrilled, if the guys came out with not a GREAT GREAT album, no!, but with a good, decent release which at least made justice to their talent and to what it's expected from such great musicians. I'd be proud of them. 

But I just got this feeling that it's not going to happen. 

And your thread is so exciting, Thomas, and the way you write is engaging. I really wanted to be able to express the feelings you have. 

Take care and have a wonderful day!

Yara

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Believe it or not, I'm not very optimistic about Roger and Brian, though. It hurts me to say this, but ever since Freddie died, Roger and Brian, by themselves, haven't amount to anything. I hate to say this and to think like that, but I say to myself: "It's been almost 18 - 18! - years ever since Freddie died and their relevance to music has been close to zero".



 

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Anyone who's been in a band like Queen has that problem. I can't remember the last time a member of a HUGE 60's/70's/80's band has actually created new music which overshadowed his/her former band. The only exception I can think of is Michael Jackson. Besides that - any band who has had their peak in the 60's/70's or 80's will never reach that height again. Look at the Stones, the Who, McCartney, Queen - anyone from that era still 'active' today. Sure, McCartney made some great stuff with Wings and solo. The last Who-album was a whole lot better than most people were expecting and apparently the last Stones album was also really good - but those acts will ALWAYS be remembered for Hey Jude, Paint It Black and My Generation. Same with Queen - they will always be remembered for WWRY (the song, not the musical) and BoRhap.

For me it's not about expecting a new Bohemian Rhapsody which sells millions and hits number 1 all over the world. It's about seeing my favorite musicians in the world enjoy making music together - be it live or a new studio record. ALL of the Queen-related releases had at least a couple of interesting tunes - and that's always better than NOTHING at all, like it was from 1998 up until 2008. The sheer thrill of finally getting some REAL new Queen-related music is something that I hope hasn't happened for the last time in 2008.

I have to agree though with your comment about No-One But You. For me too, that was the last song that had the real Queen magic. Maybe it wasn't Freddy who added the secret ingredient, but John? ;-) [/QUOTE]
Hi, Pim Derks!

How are you?

I shouldn't have written that, sometimes it's better to keep some feeling to ourselves, I don't like talking like that about the guys, but it's the way I feel, and whenever you bring these examples, I get even more disappointed - because even though Lennon and Harrisson, by no means, overshadowed the Beatles, they had an absolutely brilliant solo career which proved they continued to be amazing musicians - Harrisson's "All Things Must Pass" is a masterpiece and Lennon's solo work is a gift.

So the Beatles disbanded, you'd think that the guys would sink, but they went on to make albums which changed the history of popular music AGAIN!!!

I can't see this musicianship in Brian and Roger anymore. I just can't. It's been 18 years. I have enjoyed a single song, and even this song features John Deacon and has this ever-haunting ghost of Freddie around it. 

Are they talented? No doubt. They're brilliant. I myself don't have an explanation for that. Maybe they matched too well and Freddie was such an important part of Brian's and Roger's musicianship that after he passed away they couldn't find themselves anymore because their musical identity had partially been defined by a person who wasn't there anymore. Maybe Freddie's death was too much of a blow, I don't know. 

I do agree with you, absolutely, that it's time for giving up on higher hopes - it's not about expecting Anato II, but a good, consistent album which lives up to the great musicians they are. Because, in the end of the day, they're fading away in the horizont as Freddie grows bigger and bigger over time. 

I wish them both the very best, be it doing music or something else. I'm a fan! And I'd just love to listen to a good material from them.

Anyway, the thread is just absolutely great and wanna thank you, Pim Derks, Thomas and all those who're taking part in it. 

Have a great day!
Yara

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[b]Makka wrote: [/b]

It's not just about the singing. It's also about the songwriting. Brian and Roger can't write songs like Freddie did which was a major part of the band. For me, Queen ended with the death of Freddie. RIP!
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ok, this is the part that the brian and roger stefords start calling you a freddie only guy, or a freddie steford, but why?...For telling the truth?.. that's why.  John was a very important member of queen, that's for sure, but he wasn't the main ingrediant.  The main ingrediants of queen are Freddie's voice/songwriting and brians guitar/songwriting. Take one of those 2 out of the equation, and the queen sound is no more. End of story!....especially freddie, he was the most original and creative member.