Lambert - "like a comet shooting across the sky".

That's literally bullshit.  "Save Me" is as much a Queen song as anything Freddie wrote ...  honestly, there must be something in the water at this forum.  Even when it comes from the horses mouth that Queen was a 4-way collaboration, people still insist that one member must have been more crucial than the other.

And please, no one cite "The Cosmos Rocks" as an example.  That's not a case of "Freddie's gone so we suck now".  That's a case of "We're old and comfortable".  Probably would've happened even if Freddie was alive.

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And please, no one cite "The Cosmos Rocks" as an example.  That's not a case of "Freddie's gone so we suck now".  That's a case of "We're old and comfortable".  Probably would've happened even if Freddie was alive.

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I don't agree with that. I think it's a case of "Freddie's dead and John's retired, and we got someone in to replace Freddie who's just nowhere near as good and we have nobody to replace John."

I don't think that Queen died when Freddie died, but I do think that Queen died when John left the group. Regardles of how important Freddie was, John was also extremely important and I don't think that Queen can survive with 50% of its members gone, and nor should it IMO. "No-One But You" was the perfect way to end Queen. Following it, I think that Brian and Roger should either have embarked upon solo careers, or they should have named their project with Rodgers something other than Queen.

Ha!  Well put..  I might be imagining things but there were manifest and very palpable moments on "The Cosmos Rocks" where Deacon's absent was glaringly obvious.


I think as far as replacements go there's better and there's worse than Paul Rodgers..  I've always wondered why the felt the need to even have one.  People can say what they want about Brian May as a singer but there's only a couple of tracks on the new album that match "No One But You" as far as sounding impassioned goes;  "Say It's Not True" and "C-Lebrity".  On the rest of the tracks Rodgers just sounds like he's coasting.

With Brian's ego as huge as it is these days, I suppose we're lucky he didn't play bass and drums on TCR.

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Ha!  Well put..  I might be imagining things but there were manifest and very palpable moments on "The Cosmos Rocks" where Deacon's absent was glaringly obvious.





I think as far as replacements go there's better and there's worse than Paul Rodgers..  I've always wondered why the felt the need to even have one.  People can say what they want about Brian May as a singer but there's only a couple of tracks on the new album that match "No One But You" as far as sounding impassioned goes;  "Say It's Not True" and "C-Lebrity".  On the rest of the tracks Rodgers just sounds like he's coasting. 

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So true. Brian is IMO a terrific singer, and I would have loved an album with him, Roger and John in which he (and Roger to a lesser extent) sang. The problem is, however, it mightn't have done so well commercially. I mean, yes, TCR wasn't a success, but would a Queen album without Freddie and with Brian (and Roger) singing lead have done better? I doubt it, although I think it would have been one hell of an album! [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]

Hey, guys.

I want to add my 2 cents. I think everything they have ever done, be it as Queen, Queen+ or solo, has beautiful moments and I love it all. Take "Soul Brother", for example. I hate it, but the solo gives me the thrills. "Delilah" is deep sh*t, but the solo saves it again. "Fun It" is really bad, but some of Roger's vocals in there are brilliant.

This is a matter of taste, of course, but I cannot find a single solo or Queen, or even Queen+ release irrelevant. I must be just a freak fan, but that's how I feel :)

Roger's and Brian's solo works have really magic moments and I think they outdo most of Freddie's solo efforts, even if I like them a lot too.

Well, what I really wanted to say with these random examples of my feelings towards what you have been discussing is that most of it is a matter of taste. Not all of it, but most of it, I dare to say. So, there you have it: a sample of my personal taste to add to this very interesting discussion.

Cheers,

Ogre-, the freak fan

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Sarcasm? Because he did  play some bass....

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It's not just about the singing. It's also about the songwriting. Brian and Roger can't write songs like Freddie did which was a major part of the band. For me, Queen ended with the death of Freddie. RIP!

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ok, this is the part that the brian and roger stefords start calling you a freddie only guy, or a freddie steford, but why?...For telling the truth?.. that's why.  John was a very important member of queen, that's for sure, but he wasn't the main ingrediant.  The main ingrediants of queen are Freddie's voice/songwriting and brians guitar/songwriting. Take one of those 2 out of the equation, and the queen sound is no more. End of story!....especially freddie, he was the most original and creative member.

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i'm not sure if your referring to me,  but I did say if you take freddie or brian out of the band the queen sound is no more.  yes, john was Important, but their was many bass players Just as good who they could have hired to play on TCR.  If I'm not mistaken Innuendo was an album that John didn't even write one song.  The band could have survived without him, though he was important. They were all important, but not equally like some try to say.  Even freddie said they help each other.

Although I enjoyed Queen + Paul Rodgers very much, I agree with the sentiment that 1997, with No One But You and the Show Must Go On performance with Elton in Paris, was a perfect oppurtunity for the Queen brand (as an active performing band) to end. However I do think that Brian and Roger are still capable of magic, because in my opinion a song like Small has everything that Queen was about (why no single, argh!).

with all that has been said....

i'm happy to be in my shoes ;)

ego or not...it's not simple to be what's left of Queen.

they all needed each other.
 
i'm a little little pissed at john, to have quit. ( cause Freddie used to demand his input, to be full part of the band)

but i understand him to a certain limit.

my feeling is...if he was still there, the magic could have lived longer.

in the end and ever all...Queen will always be unique !

if lambert can fuel new fire in Brain and Roger, even for just one Lp.

that would be great !

yes ?

Marcenciel, I understand your point, but please don't be pissed at John. It's his life, anyway. Besides, what if he is facing some big problem that does not leave room for him to play with the guys again? Let us just be thankful for ALL he gave us.

Cheers,

Ogre-

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Marcenciel, I understand your point, but please don't be pissed at John. It's his life, anyway. Besides, what if he is facing some big problem that does not leave room for him to play with the guys again? Let us just be thankful for ALL he gave us.

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hi Ogre :)

i meant i use to be...and pissed was the first word that came to me whilte writing my thought's. i would be right of me to say : dissapointed.

as you say, who knows how his life is going at the moment. i wish all is pretty well for john and his love one's.

re-Cheers !

Marc :)

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[b]Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: [/b]



Marcenciel, I understand your point, but please don't be pissed at John. It's his life, anyway. Besides, what if he is facing some big problem that does not leave room for him to play with the guys again? Let us just be thankful for ALL he gave us.

Cheers,

Ogre-

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hi Ogre :)

i meant i use to be...and pissed was the first word that came to me whilte writing my thought's. i would be right of me to say : dissapointed.

as you say, who knows how his life is going at the moment. i wish all is pretty well for john and his love one's.

re-Cheers !

Marc :)




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Hey, Marcenciels! :)

I am very happy to hear that. Sorry that I misunderstood you.

re-re-Cheers! :D

Thomas, I AGREE with you! And the rest of you: Don't sell Adam Lambert short! Sure, he's young at 26, but has been in theater and honing his voice since he was 10 years old. It just comes out effortlessly, and he is totally confident and comfortable on stage and not at all afraid to improvise and "go for it". Yes, he is gay, for those who seem to think that is important for one reason or another. He has always been open about it, and is comfortable in his own skin, though he and his mother had to sign a contract to not talk about it while he was on the Idol show. He has done some song writing, though I can't honestly say what he might have in him on that front. But he also has the charisma that is necessary for one to be an exciting performer and I can't help but think that he and "what's left of Queen" might just be good for each other. I certainly would like to see them at least talk about it. As I have said in another related thread here, when he appeared with Queen on the Idol finale the hair stood up on the back of my neck, and that hasn't happened since seeing Freddie perform.

That's fine Cacatua, but if he does perform with Queen, who is Queen?  If Brian falls ill for a while and can't tour, is Queen then Roger Taylor, Adam Lambert, Spike Edney, Jamie Moses, Danny Miranda and whoever takes Brian's spot on guitar?  If Eric Clapton, Eddie Van Halen, Wendy from Prince's bad join Queen, when doe sit stop being Queen?