I must be the only one who thinks he is over rated.....
I dont see him being that great like all is made out to be over him...
i-Fred
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cacatua
Shemp
Sorry if some of us sound a bit besotted, but something in Adam (which is perhaps more the potential to be great at the moment) has struck a chord that has been silent since Freddie's loss. The door to greatness has been opened a crack, but will Adam get through it?
Sorry if some of us sound a bit besotted, but something in Adam (which is perhaps more the potential to be great at the moment) has struck a chord that has been silent since Freddie's loss. The door to greatness has been opened a crack, but will Adam get through it?
i-Fred
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[b]cacatua wrote: [/b]
Shemp
Sorry if some of us sound a bit besotted, but something in Adam (which is perhaps more the potential to be great at the moment) has struck a chord that has been silent since Freddie's loss. The door to greatness has been opened a crack, but will Adam get through it? [/QUOTE]
Im just not seeing it with such conviction. If he can do "Death on two legs", followed by "love of my life" then maybe "we will rock you".... Ill be a little more inclined to take notice.
But, all I am seeing is a another product of the times, some dude with good looks and a sweet voice that most 16 year old girls love ... He struck a cord with We are the champions...OK.... but is that how shallow we are these days... To hear one dude on a talent show sing a few notes and and praise him as the next best thing???
[b]cacatua wrote: [/b]
Shemp
Sorry if some of us sound a bit besotted, but something in Adam (which is perhaps more the potential to be great at the moment) has struck a chord that has been silent since Freddie's loss. The door to greatness has been opened a crack, but will Adam get through it? [/QUOTE]
Im just not seeing it with such conviction. If he can do "Death on two legs", followed by "love of my life" then maybe "we will rock you".... Ill be a little more inclined to take notice.
But, all I am seeing is a another product of the times, some dude with good looks and a sweet voice that most 16 year old girls love ... He struck a cord with We are the champions...OK.... but is that how shallow we are these days... To hear one dude on a talent show sing a few notes and and praise him as the next best thing???
cacatua
You may be right, Shemp. I'd like to have heard a lot more myself, but Adam singing 1/2 of WATC was all we got, plus the expressions on Brian's and Roger's faces (plus the fact that they were there) and what Brian said about Adam afterward. We are a couple of old boomers, and both of us see the same thing in Adam, which I keep trying to define. We saw it and were hearing it from other sources long before the finale.
I guess now that Adam has begun working on an album which will supposedly be going in whatever direction he wants to pursue, as opposed to coming up with an assignment of some oldie but goodie from a particular genre each week as was done on Idol, we will see what comes of him getting into uncharted territory.
I guess now that Adam has begun working on an album which will supposedly be going in whatever direction he wants to pursue, as opposed to coming up with an assignment of some oldie but goodie from a particular genre each week as was done on Idol, we will see what comes of him getting into uncharted territory.
i-Fred
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[b]cacatua wrote: [/b]
You may be right, Shemp. I'd like to have heard a lot more myself, but Adam singing 1/2 of WATC was all we got, plus the expressions on Brian's and Roger's faces (plus the fact that they were there) and what Brian said about Adam afterward. We are a couple of old boomers, and both of us see the same thing in Adam, which I keep trying to define. We saw it and were hearing it from other sources long before the finale.
I guess now that Adam has begun working on an album which will supposedly be going in whatever direction he wants to pursue, as opposed to coming up with an assignment of some oldie but goodie from a particular genre each week as was done on Idol, we will see what comes of him getting into uncharted territory.[/QUOTE]
That 1/2 of WATC took people by supprise. It was out of the blue, hence why it took people in. But after all the hype has died, he will be just another flash in the pan. Im only saying this being that its idol. By the time he sang WATC, he was going through wardrobe each week, make up, sining lessons. Its all product. Just to rake in the dollors. Its as if I am a chef, and I give you a table spoon amount fo this great soup I cooked, or a fork with steak on it.... from there you say its great, the best... yet all I have done is given you a sample... further more, I didnt even make the recipe, I just made some one else's.... all in all, I did it in a chef compitetion...
So... im not seening anythign orginal, nor ground breaking.... Good luck to Adam with ride, hope it doesnt harm him, as once it all dies down, it can get depressing... I just cant say nothign has been seen of him since the likes of Freddie.... when he's seeing a Freddie song, and theres heaps of guys with better voices closer to freddie
[b]cacatua wrote: [/b]
You may be right, Shemp. I'd like to have heard a lot more myself, but Adam singing 1/2 of WATC was all we got, plus the expressions on Brian's and Roger's faces (plus the fact that they were there) and what Brian said about Adam afterward. We are a couple of old boomers, and both of us see the same thing in Adam, which I keep trying to define. We saw it and were hearing it from other sources long before the finale.
I guess now that Adam has begun working on an album which will supposedly be going in whatever direction he wants to pursue, as opposed to coming up with an assignment of some oldie but goodie from a particular genre each week as was done on Idol, we will see what comes of him getting into uncharted territory.[/QUOTE]
That 1/2 of WATC took people by supprise. It was out of the blue, hence why it took people in. But after all the hype has died, he will be just another flash in the pan. Im only saying this being that its idol. By the time he sang WATC, he was going through wardrobe each week, make up, sining lessons. Its all product. Just to rake in the dollors. Its as if I am a chef, and I give you a table spoon amount fo this great soup I cooked, or a fork with steak on it.... from there you say its great, the best... yet all I have done is given you a sample... further more, I didnt even make the recipe, I just made some one else's.... all in all, I did it in a chef compitetion...
So... im not seening anythign orginal, nor ground breaking.... Good luck to Adam with ride, hope it doesnt harm him, as once it all dies down, it can get depressing... I just cant say nothign has been seen of him since the likes of Freddie.... when he's seeing a Freddie song, and theres heaps of guys with better voices closer to freddie
cacatua
Shemp,
Adam didn't just fall out of the sky and become a product created by Idol. He's 27 and has been involved in theater since he was 10 years old. He has worked very hard to get that fluid, effortless, spectacular voice with a spread of four octaves. He is totally comfortable and confident, and some might say flamboyant, on stage. Not only that but he is a genuinely nice guy who has never shown any arrogance and has always been good natured. He had it impressed upon him that you were helped along the way and it is up to you to give back and help others who are coming along behind you, and he does that. I'm pretty sure that his wardrobe has been mostly his own, and the hair and make-up has been with him for a while also. What you see is pretty much of his own creation, the only thing different now being the national, and beyond, exposure he has gotten from being on Idol. Of course now too he is getting a huge amount of attention which can be very destructive. RCA has signed him and is eager to market him globally, encouraging him to be as flamboyant as he wants to be.
His voice is not a match with Freddie's though it might come closest in Killer Queen, but there was more to Freddie than his voice. Should you like to see any or all of Adam's Idol performances they can be found at: [url=http://www.thebestarts.com/AdamLambert/idol/default.aspx]http://www.thebestarts.com/AdamLambert/idol/default.aspx[/url]
Adam didn't just fall out of the sky and become a product created by Idol. He's 27 and has been involved in theater since he was 10 years old. He has worked very hard to get that fluid, effortless, spectacular voice with a spread of four octaves. He is totally comfortable and confident, and some might say flamboyant, on stage. Not only that but he is a genuinely nice guy who has never shown any arrogance and has always been good natured. He had it impressed upon him that you were helped along the way and it is up to you to give back and help others who are coming along behind you, and he does that. I'm pretty sure that his wardrobe has been mostly his own, and the hair and make-up has been with him for a while also. What you see is pretty much of his own creation, the only thing different now being the national, and beyond, exposure he has gotten from being on Idol. Of course now too he is getting a huge amount of attention which can be very destructive. RCA has signed him and is eager to market him globally, encouraging him to be as flamboyant as he wants to be.
His voice is not a match with Freddie's though it might come closest in Killer Queen, but there was more to Freddie than his voice. Should you like to see any or all of Adam's Idol performances they can be found at: [url=http://www.thebestarts.com/AdamLambert/idol/default.aspx]http://www.thebestarts.com/AdamLambert/idol/default.aspx[/url]
i-Fred
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[b]cacatua wrote: [/b]
Shemp,
Adam didn't just fall out of the sky and become a product created by Idol. He's 27 and has been involved in theater since he was 10 years old. He has worked very hard to get that fluid, effortless, spectacular voice with a spread of four octaves. He is totally comfortable and confident, and some might say flamboyant, on stage. Not only that but he is a genuinely nice guy who has never shown any arrogance and has always been good natured. He had it impressed upon him that you were helped along the way and it is up to you to give back and help others who are coming along behind you, and he does that. I'm pretty sure that his wardrobe has been mostly his own, and the hair and make-up has been with him for a while also. What you see is pretty much of his own creation, the only thing different now being the national, and beyond, exposure he has gotten from being on Idol. Of course now too he is getting a huge amount of attention which can be very destructive. RCA has signed him and is eager to market him globally, encouraging him to be as flamboyant as he wants to be.
His voice is not a match with Freddie's though it might come closest in Killer Queen, but there was more to Freddie than his voice. Should you like to see any or all of Adam's Idol performances they can be found at: [url=http://www.thebestarts.com/AdamLambert/idol/default.aspx]http://www.thebestarts.com/AdamLambert/idol/default.aspx[/url]
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Ok, let me just clarify that I wasnt hating on him in any way, and, cheers for pointing out his efforts upon performing and all the hard work that he has done.
But, if it wasnt for Idol... how would we know about him? With out suggesting the internet and other locations, being that many performers could be spotlighted that way, but Idol has been his vehical, and like most talented people who go on the show, its money making.. dishing up people who can make other people money...
Should he go on, to sell records, cut him self a new image, and really make it as his own to which 5 -10 years from now you would not even know at all he was on idol, I will gladly eat my own words, and raise a toast to him... but,,, Im there are many many more who are in the same boat as him and have not been granted the spotlight...
In this day and age, idol and other shows like that are a dime a dozen... its just the sign of the times... and I just cant help but hear a little young boy whos not yet a full grown man whos been give such wonderfull applause... im not giving him the thumbs down, or retracting from his talents and bashing on him.. Im just not seeing .... the wow factor....
[b]cacatua wrote: [/b]
Shemp,
Adam didn't just fall out of the sky and become a product created by Idol. He's 27 and has been involved in theater since he was 10 years old. He has worked very hard to get that fluid, effortless, spectacular voice with a spread of four octaves. He is totally comfortable and confident, and some might say flamboyant, on stage. Not only that but he is a genuinely nice guy who has never shown any arrogance and has always been good natured. He had it impressed upon him that you were helped along the way and it is up to you to give back and help others who are coming along behind you, and he does that. I'm pretty sure that his wardrobe has been mostly his own, and the hair and make-up has been with him for a while also. What you see is pretty much of his own creation, the only thing different now being the national, and beyond, exposure he has gotten from being on Idol. Of course now too he is getting a huge amount of attention which can be very destructive. RCA has signed him and is eager to market him globally, encouraging him to be as flamboyant as he wants to be.
His voice is not a match with Freddie's though it might come closest in Killer Queen, but there was more to Freddie than his voice. Should you like to see any or all of Adam's Idol performances they can be found at: [url=http://www.thebestarts.com/AdamLambert/idol/default.aspx]http://www.thebestarts.com/AdamLambert/idol/default.aspx[/url]
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Ok, let me just clarify that I wasnt hating on him in any way, and, cheers for pointing out his efforts upon performing and all the hard work that he has done.
But, if it wasnt for Idol... how would we know about him? With out suggesting the internet and other locations, being that many performers could be spotlighted that way, but Idol has been his vehical, and like most talented people who go on the show, its money making.. dishing up people who can make other people money...
Should he go on, to sell records, cut him self a new image, and really make it as his own to which 5 -10 years from now you would not even know at all he was on idol, I will gladly eat my own words, and raise a toast to him... but,,, Im there are many many more who are in the same boat as him and have not been granted the spotlight...
In this day and age, idol and other shows like that are a dime a dozen... its just the sign of the times... and I just cant help but hear a little young boy whos not yet a full grown man whos been give such wonderfull applause... im not giving him the thumbs down, or retracting from his talents and bashing on him.. Im just not seeing .... the wow factor....
cacatua
Shemp,
We are in agreement that Adam has yet to prove himself as someone who is more than a flash in the pan at the moment. He had been trying to decide whether to stay in theater or to go for a career as a recording artist, and had something of an epiphany while at the Burning Man orgy in the desert. People who knew him had been trying to get him to audition for Idol for some time, and this time around the timing was right and he decided to have a go at it for the sake of having a platform to get himself out there on the national stage.
We haven't watched Idol for years because they always seem to throw anyone that is sort of original out of it and churn out the same kind of forgettable product. But this year, by accident, we happened across it when Adam was performing and had to see how he would fare, as he was in a different league - usually the one that gets a contestant voted off. Apparently Idol was needy enough of some sort of boost that the judges actually threw themselves behind Adam instead of condemning him for being "theatrical" - the kiss of death that rid them of Constantine Maroulis several years back (last time I watched) and who was just nominated for a Tony award.
Adam got the exposure he wanted out of the show and now has some backing to pursue his career, sink or swim. So far we are behind him, but he will certainly have to earn our continued support. Apparently Brian and Roger saw something there too, and will be watching. You cannot redo Freddie, but only come up with someone similar but different. To read some of the posts on here, you would think that only Freddie's reincarnation would gain their approval. It is only an ongoing problem because Brian and Roger want to keep going. But no matter what they do it will make any number of people unhappy.
I do thank you, Shemp, for a good debate. I have been trying to define the ineffable, which has apparently been an exercise in futility, as either one gets it or not. We will have to agree to disagree for the most part.
We are in agreement that Adam has yet to prove himself as someone who is more than a flash in the pan at the moment. He had been trying to decide whether to stay in theater or to go for a career as a recording artist, and had something of an epiphany while at the Burning Man orgy in the desert. People who knew him had been trying to get him to audition for Idol for some time, and this time around the timing was right and he decided to have a go at it for the sake of having a platform to get himself out there on the national stage.
We haven't watched Idol for years because they always seem to throw anyone that is sort of original out of it and churn out the same kind of forgettable product. But this year, by accident, we happened across it when Adam was performing and had to see how he would fare, as he was in a different league - usually the one that gets a contestant voted off. Apparently Idol was needy enough of some sort of boost that the judges actually threw themselves behind Adam instead of condemning him for being "theatrical" - the kiss of death that rid them of Constantine Maroulis several years back (last time I watched) and who was just nominated for a Tony award.
Adam got the exposure he wanted out of the show and now has some backing to pursue his career, sink or swim. So far we are behind him, but he will certainly have to earn our continued support. Apparently Brian and Roger saw something there too, and will be watching. You cannot redo Freddie, but only come up with someone similar but different. To read some of the posts on here, you would think that only Freddie's reincarnation would gain their approval. It is only an ongoing problem because Brian and Roger want to keep going. But no matter what they do it will make any number of people unhappy.
I do thank you, Shemp, for a good debate. I have been trying to define the ineffable, which has apparently been an exercise in futility, as either one gets it or not. We will have to agree to disagree for the most part.
April
Adam Lambert will look absolutely ridiculous with Queen. They are the champions of Rock, senior persons and he is just a baby in comparison with them. Besides, he is pop. He is not suited to such time-honoured musicians. This would mean having no respect for themselves.
Treasure Moment
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[b]bryony wrote: [/b]
If Brian and Roger employed that guy after the mess that was Paul Rodgers they would loose my support permenantly[/QUOTE]
Exactly! just give it a rest and respect freddie and john and the legacy, these collaborations are PATHETIC!
[b]bryony wrote: [/b]
If Brian and Roger employed that guy after the mess that was Paul Rodgers they would loose my support permenantly[/QUOTE]
Exactly! just give it a rest and respect freddie and john and the legacy, these collaborations are PATHETIC!
cacatua
I just can't resist stirring the pot one more time.
On one side we have the hard-core Freddie Mercury fans who think it sacreligious for anyone, especially Adam Lambert, to stand in Freddie's place. On the other side we have the young set of Adam Lambert fans who think that Queen consists of old fossils who should mind their own business. In the middle we have quite a lot of a little older people who loved Queen, albeit in a more casual way than the hard-core, and probably haven't paid much attention to them for a while. These are the people who find themselves besotted with Adam for reasons they can't quite explain, though a lot of them have attempted to do so. From these people I hear Adam Lambert and Queen or Freddie Mercury mentioned in the same sentence quite frequently. They would buy tickets, travel distances and and maybe even climb over the top of each other to see Queen with Adam. They would probably buy anything connected with it. The ones who think of Queen as old fossils would likely show up to see Adam and just in case they might miss something. Yeah, good old capitalism. ;o)
On one side we have the hard-core Freddie Mercury fans who think it sacreligious for anyone, especially Adam Lambert, to stand in Freddie's place. On the other side we have the young set of Adam Lambert fans who think that Queen consists of old fossils who should mind their own business. In the middle we have quite a lot of a little older people who loved Queen, albeit in a more casual way than the hard-core, and probably haven't paid much attention to them for a while. These are the people who find themselves besotted with Adam for reasons they can't quite explain, though a lot of them have attempted to do so. From these people I hear Adam Lambert and Queen or Freddie Mercury mentioned in the same sentence quite frequently. They would buy tickets, travel distances and and maybe even climb over the top of each other to see Queen with Adam. They would probably buy anything connected with it. The ones who think of Queen as old fossils would likely show up to see Adam and just in case they might miss something. Yeah, good old capitalism. ;o)
i-Fred
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[b]cacatua wrote: [/b]
I just can't resist stirring the pot one more time.
On one side we have the hard-core Freddie Mercury fans who think it sacreligious for anyone, especially Adam Lambert, to stand in Freddie's place. On the other side we have the young set of Adam Lambert fans who think that Queen consists of old fossils who should mind their own business. In the middle we have quite a lot of a little older people who loved Queen, albeit in a more casual way than the hard-core, and probably haven't paid much attention to them for a while. These are the people who find themselves besotted with Adam for reasons they can't quite explain, though a lot of them have attempted to do so. From these people I hear Adam Lambert and Queen or Freddie Mercury mentioned in the same sentence quite frequently. They would buy tickets, travel distances and and maybe even climb over the top of each other to see Queen with Adam. They would probably buy anything connected with it. The ones who think of Queen as old fossils would likely show up to see Adam and just in case they might miss something. Yeah, good old capitalism. ;o)[/QUOTE]
Just as I started to read this and was whilling to pay attention to what you have said.... Bo Rap started on the radio...
and it all became pointless.... ehehehe
[b]cacatua wrote: [/b]
I just can't resist stirring the pot one more time.
On one side we have the hard-core Freddie Mercury fans who think it sacreligious for anyone, especially Adam Lambert, to stand in Freddie's place. On the other side we have the young set of Adam Lambert fans who think that Queen consists of old fossils who should mind their own business. In the middle we have quite a lot of a little older people who loved Queen, albeit in a more casual way than the hard-core, and probably haven't paid much attention to them for a while. These are the people who find themselves besotted with Adam for reasons they can't quite explain, though a lot of them have attempted to do so. From these people I hear Adam Lambert and Queen or Freddie Mercury mentioned in the same sentence quite frequently. They would buy tickets, travel distances and and maybe even climb over the top of each other to see Queen with Adam. They would probably buy anything connected with it. The ones who think of Queen as old fossils would likely show up to see Adam and just in case they might miss something. Yeah, good old capitalism. ;o)[/QUOTE]
Just as I started to read this and was whilling to pay attention to what you have said.... Bo Rap started on the radio...
and it all became pointless.... ehehehe
shazamrock
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[b]April wrote: [/b]
Adam Lambert... is not suited to such time-honoured musicians. This would mean having no respect for themselves.[/QUOTE]
Screw "respect"; Brian looked like he was having a hell of a time.
[b]April wrote: [/b]
Adam Lambert... is not suited to such time-honoured musicians. This would mean having no respect for themselves.[/QUOTE]
Screw "respect"; Brian looked like he was having a hell of a time.
cacatua
I don't think that Brian and Roger are allowed to have fun around here - they are supposed to behave themselves and stay within the boundaries of all the shrines that so many are polishing and guarding.
Crisstti
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[b]shazamrock wrote: [/b]
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[b]April wrote: [/b]
Adam Lambert... is not suited to such time-honoured musicians. This would mean having no respect for themselves.
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Screw "respect"; Brian looked like he was having a hell of a time.
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Exactly!. If they're having fun, what's the problem?.
The word "respect" gets used far too easily here. Lose respect for them if they turn out to be rapists or something. But for playing with a young singer?. Give me a break.
By the way, I hadn't heard of Adam Lambert until I saw this discussed here. Watched some videos of his performances, and he's actually pretty good.
[b]shazamrock wrote: [/b]
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[b]April wrote: [/b]
Adam Lambert... is not suited to such time-honoured musicians. This would mean having no respect for themselves.
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Screw "respect"; Brian looked like he was having a hell of a time.
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Exactly!. If they're having fun, what's the problem?.
The word "respect" gets used far too easily here. Lose respect for them if they turn out to be rapists or something. But for playing with a young singer?. Give me a break.
By the way, I hadn't heard of Adam Lambert until I saw this discussed here. Watched some videos of his performances, and he's actually pretty good.