No Mannheim 86 in ZDF archives

Jjeroen wrote:

That list is  the list GB initially gave to us when WE were talking about video's.
HE came back on the topic though and indeed told us that it was NOT a list of video's but of AUDIO's.

For once but surely not for all: Mannheim is NOT filmed in it's entirity! NOT by QP/DoRo and NOT by the tv stations.
Both parties only filmed small parts of the show.
QP DOES have a full AUDIO recording... (As we all do.)

Mr Anonymous... you are new here, so it is no shame that you don't know GB's sometimes weird moves.
Information he gives is at times obviously incorrect, lots of times the information he gives contradicts with what he says on other occasions. AND GB does not know about everything that exists. Just know that what he tells you about what is and what is not in existance, is highly unreliable.

If the list above is audio only, then where are the London 1978 and all the Live Killers concerts?

The list was a complete mess

pittrek wrote:

The list was a complete mess

Yes it was! A total joke.

Greg writes in his book that he has heard several Crazy tour shows, some of which he never even heard on bootlegs so... also from late 1979 they have recordings(we can only guess about the quality but they do exist).

To me it's really unbelievable that a man like Brian May, who cut out Newspaper articles, collected pins etc. about his band, did not want to keep recordings of his band...

 

on my way up wrote:

To me it's really unbelievable that a man like Brian May, who cut out Newspaper articles, collected pins etc. about his band, did not want to keep recordings of his band...

 

Didn't Brian once state that they, from about 1974, recorded every gig from the mixing desk? The claim has since been denied - but this could be purely because they don't want people asking about them because they don't want to release raw, live to 2 track recordings. Or maybe they've "gone missing". QP have a habit of claiming things don't exist - don't they?

on my way up wrote:


To me it's really unbelievable that a man like Brian May, who cut out Newspaper articles, collected pins etc. about his band, did not want to keep recordings of his band...

Very true.  I am sure that there are recordings (whether it be live, demos, unreleased, etc..etc.) that exist in Brian's personal archive that no one, GB included, knows anything about.

Incidentally, I am intrigued to know whether anyone (GB or Jim Beach) have spoken seriously to John Deacon about any of his personal demos for any proposed archive box set.  Surely when writing his songs (You're My Best Friend, Another One Bites The Dust, Spreadh Your Wings etc..) John would have recorded demo versions to play his ideas back to the band.  Sure, in the early days these may well have been on the physical tapes owned by Queen, and the only studio time available would have been during the actual sessions, and so therefore the early stuff (Misfire etc..) would already be on the archived tapes.  Later on once home studios, finance to go in on your own etc.. became the norm, I would imagine that John may well have his own collection of his demos and early working ideas on his own tapes that do not exist in the official Queen archives.

Brian and Roger (and Freddie's Estate) will of course have their own deo stuff, but this is more likely to be known about and handed over for the greater good, but I'm sure that John won't go out of his way to declare his hidden gems.

Negative Creep wrote:







Didn't Brian once state that they, from about 1974, recorded every gig from the mixing desk? The claim has since been denied - but this could be purely because they don't want people asking about them because they don't want to release raw, live to 2 track recordings.

That's my best guess.  But it's a horrible shame, as many of us would kill to hear raw tapes of their concerts in the 70s.

god its a mercy that theres no Mannheim in archives, GOD ..... who would even want another 86 gig????????  besides which newcalstle was MUCH better
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andreas_mercury wrote:



god its a mercy that theres no Mannheim in archives, GOD ..... who would even want another 86 gig????????  besides which newcalstle was MUCH better
magic tour wasnt any good freddie had lost it as a live performer by that stage, they should retired after the 82 tour.  Quit on Top!!!!!!!

This whole thread was a response to another thread, where some person claimed that there is a complete video recording of Mannheim 86 in ZDF archives. But the reporter claims on the video that they were allowed by the band's management to film only 3 minutes of the concert. That's all. So now the question is how much did the DoRo team film

pittrek wrote:

This whole thread was a response to another thread, where some person claimed that there is a complete video recording of Mannheim 86 in ZDF archives. But the reporter claims on the video that they were allowed by the band's management to film only 3 minutes of the concert. That's all. So now the question is how much did the DoRo team film

DoRo probably recorded about as much as they did of Knebworth.
I'm still incredulous that they didn't record the feed to the big screens!

brians wig wrote:
DoRo probably recorded about as much as they did of Knebworth.
I'm still incredulous that they didn't record the feed to the big screens!

Of course the video feed was recorded at Knebworth! Come off it - even if QP had somehow forgotten to request it was recorded (considering the management - there is no chance of this btw) , the film crew would have set it up for themselves. People weren't stupid - this was a big event. And again - I'm sure Brian was on record as saying all they had was what was shown on the big screen - then it was denied. You've gotta laugh really.

technically naive souls .... !  to say 'oh it was must have been recorded', 'OH someone must have pushed the right switch'
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andreas_mercury wrote:

technically naive souls .... !  to say 'oh it was must have been recorded', 'OH someone must have pushed the right switch'

oh my goodness!  to have even passing knowlede ....... 

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Like your good self, eh? If you think no one from at least 2 organisations involved in the production of a massive outdoor Queen gig in 1986 (which was also the last one of the tour) ensured that what was being filmed was recorded for prosperity, you're pretty fucking stupid.

 



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andreas_mercury wrote:



 



technically naive souls .... !  to say 'oh it was must have been recorded', 'OH someone must have pushed the right switch'

oh my goodness!  to have even passing knowlede ....... 



 

Like your good self, eh? If you think no one from at least 2 organisations involved in the production of a massive outdoor Queen gig in 1986 (which was also the last one of the tour) ensured that what was being filmed was recorded for prosperity, you're pretty fucking stupid. But obviously, Andreas from Sweden is technically savvy and knows exactly what he's talking about.




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brians wig wrote:
DoRo probably recorded about as much as they did of Knebworth.
I'm still incredulous that they didn't record the feed to the big screens!



 



 



 

Of course the video feed was recorded at Knebworth! Come off it - even if QP had somehow forgotten to request it was recorded (considering the management - there is no chance of this btw) , the film crew would have set it up for themselves. People weren't stupid - this was a big event. And again - I'm sure Brian was on record as saying all they had was what was shown on the big screen - then it was denied. You've gotta laugh really.

I must say I'm with you on this. I can still remember Brian writing on his soapbox about not being able to do a proper edit cause all they have is what was fed to the screen on the day.

They probably did have it but its been lost. Its far less embarrassing to say it never existed than admit to another cock up.

Negative Creep wrote:








Like your good self, eh? If you think no one from at least 2 organisations involved in the production of a massive outdoor Queen gig in 1986 (which was also the last one of the tour) ensured that what was being filmed was recorded for prosperity, you're pretty fucking stupid.

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[/QUOTE]sounds like illogic and denial to me .....  poor Queen fan.  







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