No Mannheim 86 in ZDF archives

Bad Seed wrote:

I must say I'm with you on this. I can still remember Brian writing on his soapbox about not being able to do a proper edit cause all they have is what was fed to the screen on the day.

They probably did have it but its been lost. Its far less embarrassing to say it never existed than admit to another cock up.

OMG more wishful thinking?????    whats next, Santa claus on tape?
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[/QUOTE]maybe Brian was just misinformed!  he cant remember what songs to what album.  he probably thought Knebworth existed on tape 'only what was fed to the screen that day' because someone was explaining to him the Milton Keyes gig was 'only what was fed to the screen' as well....      short time later Brian May gets confused again and writes the wrong thing to his soapobox.[/QUOTE]
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[/QUOTE]you are both dealing in 'maybes'   its so embarrassing!    yes maybe it was recorded and lost.  but equally maybe is it having not existed and BRian just doesnt know what he is even talking about ....

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my point to you is to you...  you cant be a Professor of Maybe.  you cant be the know it all when you don't know it all.

Greg Brooks is employed as a Queen Archivist.
He has access to the Queen archives.
His job is to SEARCH for stuff in the Queen archives.
Greg Brooks, the Queen Archivist who searched in the Queen archives came here and wrote a thread
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1059738/this-is-why-i-think-knebworth-86-concert-footage-doesnt-exist-in-archive.aspx

just a little excerpt :

This is why I think Knebworth ’86 concert footage DOESN'T exist in the archive....

1. Because I work there and the concert footage doesn't exist there, and it never ever ever ever has. Not ever. Not once. Not even half of once.

2. Because I work there and have seen the AUDIO tapes... and ONLY audio tapes.

3. If Knebworth film or video tapes were there somewhere (even out of sight hidden behind a box perhaps, or under a rarely used piano, or someone had mistakingly put them in the teabags cupboard, I think Justin or I would have noticed them by now over the last 9 years. We might even have thought to have logged them and labelled them. And I think we would very likely have thought by now of safety copying them... if they were there, which they're not - as I thought everyone knew.

4. Like most of you, I have seen only bits and pieces from Knebworth on various Queen docu's, such as shots of the audience, the helicopter arriving with the band, etc. And the odd bit of the band on stage, but only the odd bit.

5. Phil Collins covered the Beatles' Tomorrow Never Knows on his first (and unsurpsssed) solo album Face Value, in 1981. I know this is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, but so were a few of the reasons the other chap listed for why he thought Knebworth footage DID exist... to which I am responding.

I wanted to say some things equeally strange and unhelpful.THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY HERE people. Queen's last ever concert, incredible but true, was NOT filmed.Yes it went out on the day over the huge screen/s, but curiously it wasn't being recorded... as SURELY BY NOW everyone knows. So do not set yourself up for a big disappointment. Do not expect what can never in this world be delivered. You might as well expect Jon Pertwee
to come back in the next series of Dr Who, or Scooby Doo to marry Lassie and live happily ever after in a secluded Coventry love-nest rented from Basil Brush. The odd moment from a few songs, as we already know, is all that exists for the visual side. But the full audio is there, so look on the bright side for a change. 

But in 2005, Greg did say this:

"Only footage of the big screens exists which is utterly boring, and some shots of the audience as I recall."

So he has two different stories.  What now then?

Sir GH wrote:

But in 2005, Greg did say this:

"Only footage of the big screens exists which is utterly boring, and some shots of the audience as I recall."

So he has two different stories.  What now then?

Well I thought he was talking about the AUDIENCE video, wasn't he ?
Anyway, who's correct - Greg Brooks or Queen Archivist ? :-)

Sir GH wrote:

But in 2005, Greg did say this:

"Only footage of the big screens exists which is utterly boring, and some shots of the audience as I recall."

So he has two different stories.  What now then?

And so it is all the time....


They want the fans to think they can release nice products in the future(they want to keep us as possible buyers) but once we think there's still plenty of great stuff possible they want us to believe there's not that much afterall(so it keeps its value).

And in the meantime nothing truly exciting comes out...

Think about what a great product you can make about the the Knebworth show. It was the last one!


And instead of 100 bootlegs they should have released the 25 or so best soundboards(even raw mono). Would have been sensational.

pittrek wrote:



Well I thought he was talking about the AUDIENCE video, wasn't he ?

I can't see why the band's archivist would feel a need to discuss audience recordings when discussing what's in the archives.

But you're right.. who knows...

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Well I thought he was talking about the AUDIENCE video, wasn't he ?



 

I can't see why the band's archivist would feel a need to discuss audience recordings when discussing what's in the archives.

But you're right.. who knows...

He always leaves room to reinterpret his words in the way he wants.
Of course, that's probably not his fault.

Has there been any update on this that you guys know of? It's one of my favorite gigs from the Magic Tour.

Am I the only one who got tired of these endless discussions? The only people who know the truth are people like Brian or Greg but their statements in the past years were one big mess. The list of audios (or videos or whatever that was supposed to be) that Greg posted on QueenZone was apparently intended to be helpful for us collectors... but it was just one big worthless mess. Seriously, even a 12 year old collector would post info that would make more sense. I got tired and now I cannot be bothered to take any such info seriously. Sorry, Greg. The only serious info I've heard in the past years comes from collectors. It's sad that WE have to undertake a huge research to find out what Queen have in their collection.

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I must say I'm with you on this. I can still remember Brian writing on his soapbox about not being able to do a proper edit cause all they have is what was fed to the screen on the day.

They probably did have it but its been lost. Its far less embarrassing to say it never existed than admit to another cock up.




 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 

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He wrote this about MK82, and said they had only 2 camera feeds + the final mix, not all cameras in entire form - better to remember facts before starting false rumours.

Mannheim 86: as it was said earlier, in the original broadcast (back in 1986) the guy states the management (yes Jim and QPL) only allowed the last song to be recored. Happened before, happened after all the time when the press was allowed to record only fragments.  But anyone with proper German can ask  Peter Illmann [url=http://www.peter-illmann.de/]http://www.peter-illmann.de/[/url],  the guy in charge of this show and ask whether he remembers anything or any way else , and let us know .

Also german fans asked ZDF before , and the reply was the same. Only WATC exist in the archive from the programm" rock sommer 86". air date 13.9.1986. Anything else "according to our research has not been found", as stated by ZDF.  The raw footage was either trashed (as usal) or lost or sitting in the 100000+ hours of unresearched material in ZDF archive, waiting to be -never- found....

update: also one moment in time (back in 1986) a recording of the full show existed on vhs. Yes 100% true.  The director of the film "magic" was invited to Germany to record two shows with a vhs video camera (standing at the mixing tower), and he used it to prepare the crew and for all preparations :where to put cameras, what happens when etc etc.  He told me 3 times in the last 20 years the following : "i dont know where the tape is. Either i have it, or someone else from the crew, or someone just used it to rerecord something at that time". He hasnt found the tape in the last 20+ years (and yes i offered him BIG money), and the chance he finds anything at age 70 is basically only statistical possibility (for the record, the 2nd show he attended was Cologne, 1 week before the Budapest show to see again the changes and try to prepare something with the band etc, which is a different and funny story...)  

 

Scully : yes we are all tired of it... haha. for 10 years at least...

Hi Miklos

Thanks for the useful info. We can only hope those vhs videos are lying somewhere to be found again!

More than 1986 I'm interested in seventies stuff though. Do you have any info like you just posted(and that you can share, in your opinion) about seventies stuff? I can't believe there are so few audience recordings in existence from that era:-( (compared to the eighties).

on my way up wrote:

I can't believe there are so few audience recordings in existence from that era:-( (compared to the eighties).

FILM was expensive. Equipment was expensive. I totally does make sence that there aren't many 8mm films from the 70s.

With 1 roll of smallfilm (8mm) one could shoot for about 3,5 minutes. Price in the mid 70s was about 13 euros while concert tickets went for about 3,5 euros.

(compared to the prices these days: Q+PR tickets went for about 60 euros wich means: 220 euros for 3,5 minutes of audience film...) Filming was THAT expensive back in the 70s. )

 



 

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on my way up wrote:



I can't believe there are so few audience recordings in existence from that era:-( (compared to the eighties).

FILM was expensive. Equipment was expensive. I totally does make sence that there aren't many 8mm films from the 70s.

With 1 roll of smallfilm (8mm) one could shoot for about 3,5 minutes. Price in the mid 70s was about 13 euros while concert tickets went for about 3,5 euros.

(compared to the prices these days: Q+PR tickets went for about 60 euros wich means: 220 euros for 3,5 minutes of audience film...) Filming was THAT expensive back in the 70s. )

I wasn't talking about film but just audio(cassettes). Compared to the eighties there's relatively little. Queen did many US tours but few recordings of those tours are circulating.

I understand your confusion though since this topic is about footage:-)

I also find it a pity so few Crazy tour recordings are circulating.

Any info about other possiblities of tapes in existence is what I'm interested in. It'd be cool if people who have these items(if they exist) become more open about it.

Maybe I'm a bit an exception but I prefer a full audio recording over a 10 min film.

on my way up wrote:

Hi Miklos

Thanks for the useful info. We can only hope those vhs videos are lying somewhere to be found again!

More than 1986 I'm interested in seventies stuff though. Do you have any info like you just posted(and that you can share, in your opinion) about seventies stuff? I can't believe there are so few audience recordings in existence from that era:-( (compared to the eighties).

Not really sorry - i am not an expert in audio stuff at all , that is SirGh & co.  
My main interest in collecting is video footage 73-91, thats what i enjoy the most.  For unknown seventies stuff, Ive been recently informed about a certain footage that i can confirm, it is a one camera version of Budokan 79,   95mins and camera from stage right (similar to Paris 79, ie one camera footage only).  Dont ask me to share i dont have it- i only wish- but someone is hoarding it who was working at the right place at the right time, about 15 years ago.....