Brian is not playing on Chinese Democracy, He just recorded with Axl, and it was left out..
I Want It All is credited as a May song on Greatest Video Hits 2..
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mike hunt
who cares about all this. IMO, Innuendo should be credited to Freddie and roger since they wrote the song. Slighty mad was a freddie song and should get the credit, so why shouldn't brian get credit for I want it all. It was his song.
lalaalalaa
I wish they didn't do that whole credit every song as Queen thing because I like to see which member(s) wrote which songs.
Ken8
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]
also see the quote from John IIRC suggesting that they went with whoever had a strong idea, and Freddie had most of the strong ideas.
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Of course... nobody's denying that Freddie was a major creative force in the band. But it certainly wasn't always his desires that were met.
[QUOTE]...also note their lack of success in coming up with anything that amounts to anything much since his demise.... [/QUOTE]
Fair enough. But also note the Mr. Bad Guy album... it was Freddie without Queen, and it showed, often painfully. They were a band of 4 very different individuals who were very good each in their own right, but an excellent, world-class combination when put together. It's just publicly misunderstood that Freddie was at the helm of everything with the final word when that certainly wasn't the case.
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Yes, and funnily enough Fred was usually the first to say so. There's been a lot said since his demise though despite their inability to prove themselves without him.
I like how "Mr Bad Guy" is trotted out as some sort of disaster. And how the success of "Barcelona" and "Great Pretender" are conveniently overlooked, along with just about any posthumous Freddie release, Queen or solo.
As much as I love "Queen" I can also see the loss of Mercury as THE worst thing that could've happened. As much as I hate to say it, creatively the band would've overcome the loss of any other member with more success and credibility.
[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]
also see the quote from John IIRC suggesting that they went with whoever had a strong idea, and Freddie had most of the strong ideas.
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Of course... nobody's denying that Freddie was a major creative force in the band. But it certainly wasn't always his desires that were met.
[QUOTE]...also note their lack of success in coming up with anything that amounts to anything much since his demise.... [/QUOTE]
Fair enough. But also note the Mr. Bad Guy album... it was Freddie without Queen, and it showed, often painfully. They were a band of 4 very different individuals who were very good each in their own right, but an excellent, world-class combination when put together. It's just publicly misunderstood that Freddie was at the helm of everything with the final word when that certainly wasn't the case.
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Yes, and funnily enough Fred was usually the first to say so. There's been a lot said since his demise though despite their inability to prove themselves without him.
I like how "Mr Bad Guy" is trotted out as some sort of disaster. And how the success of "Barcelona" and "Great Pretender" are conveniently overlooked, along with just about any posthumous Freddie release, Queen or solo.
As much as I love "Queen" I can also see the loss of Mercury as THE worst thing that could've happened. As much as I hate to say it, creatively the band would've overcome the loss of any other member with more success and credibility.
magicalfreddiemercury
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[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]
As much as I love "Queen" I can also see the loss of Mercury as THE worst thing that could've happened. As much as I hate to say it, creatively the band would've overcome the loss of any other member with more success and credibility.
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[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]
As much as I love "Queen" I can also see the loss of Mercury as THE worst thing that could've happened. As much as I hate to say it, creatively the band would've overcome the loss of any other member with more success and credibility.
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Bohardy
The whole 'special sound' in Bo Rhap thing must surely have come about because the Off The Record score-book for Greatest Hits says that sound is made by a bell tree.
Of course, the compilers of those books make educated guesses as to how the sounds they are transcribing are made. Brian meanwhile produced the sound in question, and so does not need to make an educated guess when telling us how the sound was made.
Of course, the compilers of those books make educated guesses as to how the sounds they are transcribing are made. Brian meanwhile produced the sound in question, and so does not need to make an educated guess when telling us how the sound was made.
Holly2003
The reason why song writing credits is important -- and why changing them much afterwards is a dubious practice -- is because Fred isn't around any more to dispute what's goin on. They agreed, at one point, to share songwriting credits as 'Queen' instead of individually, and that's the way it should stay. Brian was happy enough to do that when the decision was made so what's changed in the meantime? Claiming songs now leaves him open to all sorts of bad interpretations. It's one thing for Brian to say that he wrote IWIA, for example -- I don't think anyone would have a problem with that -- it's another thing entirely to 'officially' change songwriting credits on album covers.
bhm0129ad
Perhaps it is all just to do with money. The decision to share the credits was possibly a way of sharing the royalties equally, thus ending Queen's notorious arguments about who earns what.
After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.
I am only speculating of course.
On the other hand, as has been said, Brian has every right to say if HE wrote this or that song, as does Roger or any other artist for that matter.
After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.
I am only speculating of course.
On the other hand, as has been said, Brian has every right to say if HE wrote this or that song, as does Roger or any other artist for that matter.
Holly2003
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[b]bhm0129ad wrote: [/b]
Perhaps it is all just to do with money. The decision to share the credits was possibly a way of sharing the royalties equally, thus ending Queen's notorious arguments about who earns what.
After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.
I am only speculating of course.
On the other hand, as has been said, Brian has every right to say if HE wrote this or that song, as does Roger or any other artist for that matter.
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If I had to speculate I would say you're wrong about that, I would guess it's more to do with Brian thinking the song is his and wanting some recognition of that. Legally, I would guess he's on very dodgy ground.
[b]bhm0129ad wrote: [/b]
Perhaps it is all just to do with money. The decision to share the credits was possibly a way of sharing the royalties equally, thus ending Queen's notorious arguments about who earns what.
After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.
I am only speculating of course.
On the other hand, as has been said, Brian has every right to say if HE wrote this or that song, as does Roger or any other artist for that matter.
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If I had to speculate I would say you're wrong about that, I would guess it's more to do with Brian thinking the song is his and wanting some recognition of that. Legally, I would guess he's on very dodgy ground.
Sebastian
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[b]bhm0129ad wrote: [/b]
Perhaps it is all just to do with money. The decision to share the credits was possibly a way of sharing the royalties equally, thus ending Queen's notorious arguments about who earns what.
After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.
I am only speculating of course.
On the other hand, as has been said, Brian has every right to say if HE wrote this or that song, as does Roger or any other artist for that matter.
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If so, then he should stop receiving money for [i]The Miracle[/i], and let the 'woman who has pissed on F's memory and wishes' have it. It was his (F's) song, after all.
[b]bhm0129ad wrote: [/b]
Perhaps it is all just to do with money. The decision to share the credits was possibly a way of sharing the royalties equally, thus ending Queen's notorious arguments about who earns what.
After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.
I am only speculating of course.
On the other hand, as has been said, Brian has every right to say if HE wrote this or that song, as does Roger or any other artist for that matter.
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If so, then he should stop receiving money for [i]The Miracle[/i], and let the 'woman who has pissed on F's memory and wishes' have it. It was his (F's) song, after all.
YourValentine
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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]
The reason why song writing credits is important -- and why changing them much afterwards is a dubious practice -- is because Fred isn't around any more to dispute what's goin on. They agreed, at one point, to share songwriting credits as 'Queen' instead of individually, and that's the way it should stay. Brian was happy enough to do that when the decision was made so what's changed in the meantime? Claiming songs now leaves him open to all sorts of bad interpretations. It's one thing for Brian to say that he wrote IWIA, for example -- I don't think anyone would have a problem with that -- it's another thing entirely to 'officially' change songwriting credits on album covers. [/QUOTE]
I agree that it looks bad when IWIA is suddenly credited to Brian on album covers. I do not believe it has any legal benefit for Brian (getting paid more royalties) because the legal songwriters are still all 4 members according to EMI publishing
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I think it's probably very hard if not impossible to legally change the songwriting credits after 20 years, so it's just "cosmetics" when Brian is listed as the creator of IWIA on an album cover.
@ bhm0129ad :
Freddie's estate is "run" by Jim Beach and John Libson, Freddie's manager and lawyer - not a woman who "pisses on his wishes" - I wonder where you get that from.
[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]
The reason why song writing credits is important -- and why changing them much afterwards is a dubious practice -- is because Fred isn't around any more to dispute what's goin on. They agreed, at one point, to share songwriting credits as 'Queen' instead of individually, and that's the way it should stay. Brian was happy enough to do that when the decision was made so what's changed in the meantime? Claiming songs now leaves him open to all sorts of bad interpretations. It's one thing for Brian to say that he wrote IWIA, for example -- I don't think anyone would have a problem with that -- it's another thing entirely to 'officially' change songwriting credits on album covers. [/QUOTE]
I agree that it looks bad when IWIA is suddenly credited to Brian on album covers. I do not believe it has any legal benefit for Brian (getting paid more royalties) because the legal songwriters are still all 4 members according to EMI publishing
[url=http://www.emimusicpub.com/worldwide/servlet/songResults]http://www.emimusicpub.com/worldwide/servlet/songResults[/url]
I think it's probably very hard if not impossible to legally change the songwriting credits after 20 years, so it's just "cosmetics" when Brian is listed as the creator of IWIA on an album cover.
@ bhm0129ad :
Freddie's estate is "run" by Jim Beach and John Libson, Freddie's manager and lawyer - not a woman who "pisses on his wishes" - I wonder where you get that from.
bhm0129ad
Ok, maybe his 'estate' is managed by them, but my reference was to Mary Austin. I don't know who gets the ongoing royalties from Fred's songs, but she is certainly not the best recipient after some of the things I have heard she has done since his passing.
To all:
NOTE that in my post I CLEARLY stated the words PERHAPS etc. meaning I am NOT claiming to know all, I am merely speculating.
To all:
NOTE that in my post I CLEARLY stated the words PERHAPS etc. meaning I am NOT claiming to know all, I am merely speculating.
Oberon
I think it's difficult after all this time with credits etc. Also, Gh2 was done after Freds' death wasn't it, and maybe there were people compling the sleeve notes who knew Bri wrote IWIA and made a mistake? Why didn't they credit other songs (Roger's) as being other then Queen? Maybe because Brian seems the one who puts the most personal effort into it.
Or maybe I'm wrong, and Brian wanted some recognition. But, should we really get too upset about it? The music is the same after all.
As for the impact of Fred's death, well yes, it was huge. I think while the four of them could work together, it was magic. Not everying (Hot Space etc), but generally, all four worked well and made good music, as they all acknowledged.
But, I feel that if any of the four had died, the effect would have been almost as devastating. I say almost because I think if John had quit or been lost, I think the other three would have still created good music (but I think it would still be missing something). If Roger had gone, I think a further element would have been lost.
If Brian had been lost, I think it would be as bad as when we lost Fred. You just can't have Queen without Brian's guitar.
If Fred had lived, and all four continued, I think they'd still be doing good stuff.
If they'd disbanded, I think Fred could have done good stuff musically, but I don't think it would/ could have been good in the rock area. Maybe more Barcelona type stuff, but not rock/pop type stuff. Mr Bad Guy is ok, but not much better or worse then TCR. In fact I think I prefer TCR.
My point being that Fred was a great singer songwriter and musician, but I really don't think he'd be the legend he is if he hadn't met 3 guys and made a band called Queen. It just wouldn't have happened for him. I really believe that, and that's why I really think you can't dispel the input of John, Roger and particularly Brian.
Or maybe I'm wrong, and Brian wanted some recognition. But, should we really get too upset about it? The music is the same after all.
As for the impact of Fred's death, well yes, it was huge. I think while the four of them could work together, it was magic. Not everying (Hot Space etc), but generally, all four worked well and made good music, as they all acknowledged.
But, I feel that if any of the four had died, the effect would have been almost as devastating. I say almost because I think if John had quit or been lost, I think the other three would have still created good music (but I think it would still be missing something). If Roger had gone, I think a further element would have been lost.
If Brian had been lost, I think it would be as bad as when we lost Fred. You just can't have Queen without Brian's guitar.
If Fred had lived, and all four continued, I think they'd still be doing good stuff.
If they'd disbanded, I think Fred could have done good stuff musically, but I don't think it would/ could have been good in the rock area. Maybe more Barcelona type stuff, but not rock/pop type stuff. Mr Bad Guy is ok, but not much better or worse then TCR. In fact I think I prefer TCR.
My point being that Fred was a great singer songwriter and musician, but I really don't think he'd be the legend he is if he hadn't met 3 guys and made a band called Queen. It just wouldn't have happened for him. I really believe that, and that's why I really think you can't dispel the input of John, Roger and particularly Brian.
Sebastian
Brian's input isn't bigger than Roger's or John's.
Eddie Howell + Brian + Fred was not Queen + Eddie Howell
Brian + Fred playing [i]World[/i] at Live Aid were 'Freddie Mercury and Brian May', not 'Queen'
No John --> No Queen
No Roger --> No Queen
No Brian --> No Queen
No Freddie --> No Queen
Eddie Howell + Brian + Fred was not Queen + Eddie Howell
Brian + Fred playing [i]World[/i] at Live Aid were 'Freddie Mercury and Brian May', not 'Queen'
No John --> No Queen
No Roger --> No Queen
No Brian --> No Queen
No Freddie --> No Queen
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