Brian May: overly aggressive over songwriting credits

 



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also see the quote from John IIRC suggesting that they went with whoever had a strong idea, and Freddie had most of the strong ideas.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 

Of course... nobody's denying that Freddie was a major creative force in the band.  But it certainly wasn't always his desires that were met.

...also note their lack of success in coming up with anything that amounts to anything much since his demise....

Fair enough.  But also note the Mr. Bad Guy album... it was Freddie without Queen, and it showed, often painfully.  They were a band of 4 very different individuals who were very good each in their own right, but an excellent, world-class combination when put together.  It's just publicly misunderstood that Freddie was at the helm of everything with the final word when that certainly wasn't the case.

Yes, and funnily enough Fred was usually the first to say so.  There's been a lot said since his demise though despite their inability to prove themselves without him.

I like how "Mr Bad Guy" is trotted out as some sort of disaster.  And how the success of "Barcelona" and "Great Pretender" are conveniently overlooked, along with just about any posthumous Freddie release, Queen or solo.

As much as I love "Queen" I can also see the loss of Mercury as THE worst thing that could've happened.  As much as I hate to say it, creatively the band would've overcome the loss of any other member with more success and credibility.

ken, we think a like.  also, I think a lot of negative posts about freddie on this site is simply out of Jelously.  That maybe brian or roger is a person's favorite member and they feel like they don't get enough respect.  I agree about Mr. Bad, these people somehow forget the genious of Bracelona and the great pretender.

bhm0129ad wrote:



After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.







I am only speculating of course.

I hope so, because your suggestion makes Brian out to be a COMPLETE asshole.  There's been far too much rewriting of history as it is lately.

people write a lot of negavity about freddie on this site, but it's not much better for brian. Brian an asshole?....come on now, the man is a sweet heart.

Holly2003 wrote:

The reason why song writing credits is important -- and why changing them much afterwards is a dubious practice -- is because Fred isn't around any more to dispute what's goin on. They agreed, at one point, to share songwriting credits as 'Queen' instead of individually, and that's the way it should stay.

Quoted for truth.  Couldn't agree more, and displays exactly how some of "Queen"s actions post 1991 have been dubious and puts them in a bad light.

a bad light to who?....we all know Queen went to shit after freddie died, but know cares about all this other stuff like writing credits and all that.  Only a few die hard fans care about that. People who need to get a life.

Oberon wrote:

My point being that Fred was a great singer songwriter and musician, but I really don't think he'd be the legend he is if he hadn't met 3 guys and made a band called Queen. It just wouldn't have happened for him. I really believe that, and that's why I really think you can't dispel the input of John, Roger and particularly Brian.

Amazing......

That's overlooking the talent of Freddie Mercury and his absolute drive, determination and discipline to become a star.  The other members of Queen are on record for saying the same thing, and numerous others. 

I'm not sure of your age but never, ever forget that had the other three not embraced Mercury's plan to conquer the world we wouldn't be here today posting about them.  Again, they said so themselves.

I can see your point, but to be honest I think Fred still would've emerged as a "legend" with four different, but very confident musicians around him.  It wouldn't have been Queen as we know them, but I'm sure it would've amounted to something.

Why is it so hard for some Queen "fans" to believe Freddie Mercury REALLY was that great??  I think it's fair to say that a couple of remaining members may be struggling to a degree with living in his shadow all these years later.  Sadly they're learning the hard way and in full view of the public what some of us knew all along, there is no Queen without him.

....and not respecting decisions made back when Queen were a four piece (eg writing credits) is poor form and leaves a bad taste in my mouth

mike hunt wrote:

a bad light to who?....we all know Queen went to shit after freddie died, but know cares about all this other stuff like writing credits and all that.  Only a few die hard fans care about that. People who need to get a life.

Give me a break.  It's called respect for a much missed member of the band.  It's called principle.

Grown up stuff.

Ken8 wrote:

 



mike hunt wrote:



a bad light to who?....we all know Queen went to shit after freddie died, but know cares about all this other stuff like writing credits and all that.  Only a few die hard fans care about that. People who need to get a life.

Give me a break.  It's called respect for a much missed member of the band.  It's called principle.

Grown up stuff.

Actually, I'm agreeing with everything you said.  Right on target with everything. It's amazing to read these posts on queenzone, it's like they make up their own shit. They forget freddie mercury was the true star of queen, that's who everyone wants to talk about in the music world.   it's obvious, look at the mess Queen became after freddie died. that's all the proof you need.

Sorry Mike, I didn't get your sarcasm!

...and Mike, again as much as I hate to say it, the reality is had Brian May passed away in 1991, there wouldn't have been a sell out "Brian May Tribute Concert" at Wembley seen by billions around the world, no matter how great a tragedy it would've been.

The reason of Queen's success is because all four were equally talented but also gifted in diffrent areas. Because one person can't do everything, and that's perfect ballance- the four people, neither more nor less, just exactly enough to share the duties of the band. Each of them filled the gaps in this machine, but not just "somehow"- with highest quality. And the result of what these people have done- is Queen.
The solo projects showed very well that- J. Deacon, B. May, F. Mercury and R. Taylor- match perfectly in one band.

Ken8 wrote:

bhm0129ad wrote:







After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.











I am only speculating of course.

I hope so, because your suggestion makes Brian out to be a COMPLETE asshole.  There's been far too much rewriting of history as it is lately.

If you must know, I am more of a fan of  Brian than Freddie so YOU may think my comments make him look like an asshole, but I (as the poster of the remark) certainly did not see or mean it that way.



I was merely pointing ouit what is called a POSSIBILITY - one amongst many others being posted here. I think the OP makes brian out to look like an asshole too but there you go.

bhm0129ad wrote:

Ken8 wrote:

bhm0129ad wrote:















After Freddie died and John quit PERHAPS Brian is sick of 'his' money going to a dead man's estate (run by a woman who has pissed on Freddie's memory and wishes in many ways) and to a Bassman who clearly has no positive feelings towards his 'brothers' of twenty years.























I am only speculating of course.

I hope so, because your suggestion makes Brian out to be a COMPLETE asshole.  There's been far too much rewriting of history as it is lately.

If you must know, I am more of a fan of  Brian than Freddie so YOU may think my comments make him look like an asshole, but I (as the poster of the remark) certainly did not see or mean it that way.







I was merely pointing ouit what is called a POSSIBILITY - one amongst many others being posted here. I think the OP makes brian out to look like an asshole too but there you go.

Sheesh.  You're more a fan of Brian?  No shit?

You said it was speculation on your part, and I said I hope so.  Get it?

And sorry but if there was any truth in what you call a POSSIBILITY, then it makes Brian out to be an asshole.  And that's why I said I hope it was speculation.

Yeah, you're a real great fan of Brian May.  I wouldn't even entertain the POSSIBILITY that May would change writing credits for the reason you've speculated.

Get it yet?

Ken8 wrote:

...and Mike, again as much as I hate to say it, the reality is had Brian May passed away in 1991, there wouldn't have been a sell out "Brian May Tribute Concert" at Wembley seen by billions around the world, no matter how great a tragedy it would've been.

I love brian may, so I don't want to come across as negative brian, but the people on this site are in denial big time. Queenzone does seem like a brian may site to me.  How can you forget what bo rhap or live aid (freddie's performance of course) meant to that band?....Brian was very Important to the sound Of Queen, but no one was as Important as Mr. Mercury.  The tribute concert was of course another example.   Some people are in denial.

I don't follow this thread at all.  Acknowledging Brian's importance to the band is not a slight on Freddie's significance...[/QUOTE]
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[/QUOTE]As for the songwriting credit thing, I don't think it even matters.  Technically the money still goes to the same people (maybe I'm wrong) ...  besides which, when I heard "I Want It All" the first time, I said 'ooh a Brian song'.  Who didn't?   Brian declaring what we all knew already isn't a big deal.[/QUOTE]
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