Why Roger and Freddie (solo) Got it right, but brian failed.

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As Georg Purvis said about the [i]Nothin' But Blue[/i] track from [i]Back To The Light[/i], "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............"


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But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all???  I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!!
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Georg Purvis: [i]Queen, Complete Works,[/i] Reynolds & Hearn Ltd., London
It is the history behind every song, album and video of Queen, and each member's solo work as well. Bootlegs and post Queen works too. 424 pages of fine print.

As to Purvis' accuracy, I don't know - can anyone here corroborate the information that it was not the Red Special used in [i]Nothin' But Blue[/i]? Where did you hear or read it? Not arguing, just curious. Perhaps Purvis was overrated in the reviews I read.

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As Georg Purvis said about the [i]Nothin' But Blue[/i] track from [i]Back To The Light[/i], "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............"





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But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all???  I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!!
(with no malice or insult intended)




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Georg Purvis: [i]Queen, Complete Works,[/i] Reynolds & Hearn Ltd., London
It is the history behind every song, album and video of Queen, and each member's solo work as well. Bootlegs and post Queen works too. 424 pages of fine print.

As to Purvis' accuracy, I don't know - can anyone here corroborate the information that it was not the Red Special used in [i]Nothin' But Blue[/i]? Where did you hear or read it? Not arguing, just curious. Perhaps Purvis was overrated in the reviews I read.




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Quote from the back inside cover of Back To The Light (My special thanks to.. section)






[b]"To Joe Satriani for a magnificent guitar which makes it's debut on [i]Nothin' But Blue."[/i][/b]







I have read elsewhere that it was an Ibanez, but cannot remember where.

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As Georg Purvis said about the [i]Nothin' But Blue[/i] track from [i]Back To The Light[/i], "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............"



 



 



 

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But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all???  I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!!
(with no malice or insult intended)




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Georg Purvis: [i]Queen, Complete Works,[/i] Reynolds & Hearn Ltd., London
It is the history behind every song, album and video of Queen, and each member's solo work as well. Bootlegs and post Queen works too. 424 pages of fine print.

As to Purvis' accuracy, I don't know - can anyone here corroborate the information that it was not the Red Special used in [i]Nothin' But Blue[/i]? Where did you hear or read it? Not arguing, just curious. Perhaps Purvis was overrated in the reviews I read.




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Quote from the back inside cover of Back To The Light (My special thanks to.. section)


 



 



 



[b]"To Joe Satriani for a magnificent guitar which makes it's debut on [i]Nothin' But Blue."[/i][/b]



 



 



 



I have read elsewhere that it was an Ibanez, but cannot remember where.



 

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Great! I did some searching but couldn't come up with anything more solid than wikipedia, which is unreliable, but it would seem that you have it from the horse's mouth. I did run across an interview with Purvis about his reference book on Queen and further thoughts at Bechstein Debauchery:

http://sebastian.queenconcerts.com/g-interviews-lester.htm

Thank you. I don't have [i]Brian's Back to The Light[/i] album yet. There is a reply to a letter about a GRECO BM90 guitar at Brian's Soapbox that I turned up which confirms it being an Ibanez from Satriani. (Monday, Sept. 18, 2006 - Question on GRECO BM90 GUITAR)

I'll make a notation in the Purvis book.

Now here is a fascinating piece of information I stumbled across at epinions.com:

"Queen fansite Queenzone.com alumni Lester Burnham has claimed credit to writing the book [Queen, Complete works] and that the name Georg Purvis is just a pseudonym. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I wouldn't doubt it. Lester Burnham has been contributing these album by album histories to that site for a while now."

"Just a little update here, the author Georg Purvis did just contact me and affirm that he and Lester are one and the same. Lester burnham is just his handle for for Queenzone.com that he uses, and you can also see his posts on Queenonline.com as well...."

Aha - so that's why "lester" was in the link to Bechstein's Debauchery for the Purvis interview.

(Sorry - the origninal topic here has been totally highjacked I'm afraid!)

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I disagree. Freddie's Mr Bad Guy is an awful album in my opinion

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So bad that it was plundered by Queen themselves for "MIH", charted post Live Aid, and again in remixes post Fred's death.





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The songs are pretty good, it's the musicians freddie hired, and the direction he took that was bad.  I like most of the songs on that album, made in heaven, The title track, man made paradise, there must be more to life than this, living on my own and my favorite love me like there's no tomorrow.  Remember, this is an album that was done in freds spare time. Between Queen albums and tours. Because of that you can't compare it with barcelona, back to the light, another world and roger's 90's solo stuff where they had all that time to perfect those albums.

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I disagree. Freddie's Mr Bad Guy is an awful album in my opinion





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So bad that it was plundered by Queen themselves for "MIH", charted post Live Aid, and again in remixes post Fred's death.





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The songs are pretty good, it's the musicians freddie hired, and the direction he took that was bad.  I like most of the songs on that album, made in heaven, The title track, man made paradise, there must be more to life than this, living on my own and my favorite love me like there's no tomorrow.  Remember, this is an album that was done in freds spare time. Between Queen albums and tours. Because of that you can't compare it with barcelona, back to the light, another world and roger's 90's solo stuff where they had all that time to perfect those albums. 


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yeah... because it stay dificult to compare the solo albuns of each other.... and it'll stay wird if  you put "the immortals" to compare wih Freddie and Brian's albuns!!!

They all have great solo material.



Roger has the most, and got better through the years.



Brian should have done more, and though his albums are excellent, I feel it could have had more guitar work.



I love Mr. Bad Guy AND especially Barcelona.



Barcelona is the only solo work that can sit alongside Queen in terms of Quality though.



The others have some songs to compare, but not whole albums.

Well personally I quite liked Brian's solo work overall.  I love 'Another World' and enjoyed some of the first album.

As for Freddie's and Roger's solo work I enjoyed those as well, but then maybe I'm being biased what with being a Queen fan lol

A big reason why Brian doesn't get the credit he deserves is because Queen crossed over into pop, disco etc.



Who ever hears of a guitarist or any non-vocal musician in a pop band for their muscianship?  I can't even think of one who actually gets any credit for exemplary musical abilities

If Queen was solely hard rock, classic rock,metal.etc......there you will find more appreciation for the actual musical abilities, songwriting etc......and there you find more appreciation for Brian

In the pop universe.....it is all about the show,the visual,and the vocals....naturally that is wayFreddie being a fantastic showman with a unique look and image, and absolutely incredible vocals gets so much credit...

It is a shame really because Brian contributed so much to the sound, the song structure, and the songwriting....
I believe We Will Rock You is actually more well known and popular than Bohemian Rhapsody world wide....and gets more airplay.....

I'm not taking any credit away from Freddie who was brilliant.....but without Brian we would have never seen the shining star that was Freddie....and the fantastic band Queen

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A big reason why Brian doesn't get the credit he deserves is because Queen crossed over into pop, disco etc.







Who ever hears of a guitarist or any non-vocal musician in a pop band for their muscianship?  I can't even think of one who actually gets any credit for exemplary musical abilities

If Queen was solely hard rock, classic rock,metal.etc......there you will find more appreciation for the actual musical abilities, songwriting etc......and there you find more appreciation for Brian

In the pop universe.....it is all about the show,the visual,and the vocals....naturally that is wayFreddie being a fantastic showman with a unique look and image, and absolutely incredible vocals gets so much credit...

It is a shame really because Brian contributed so much to the sound, the song structure, and the songwriting....
I believe We Will Rock You is actually more well known and popular than Bohemian Rhapsody world wide....and gets more airplay.....

I'm not taking any credit away from Freddie who was brilliant.....but without Brian we would have never seen the shining star that was Freddie....and the fantastic band Queen

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I like that post, and agree with it.

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A big reason why Brian doesn't get the credit he deserves is because Queen crossed over into pop, disco etc.







Who ever hears of a guitarist or any non-vocal musician in a pop band for their muscianship?  I can't even think of one who actually gets any credit for exemplary musical abilities

If Queen was solely hard rock, classic rock,metal.etc......there you will find more appreciation for the actual musical abilities, songwriting etc......and there you find more appreciation for Brian

In the pop universe.....it is all about the show,the visual,and the vocals....naturally that is wayFreddie being a fantastic showman with a unique look and image, and absolutely incredible vocals gets so much credit...

It is a shame really because Brian contributed so much to the sound, the song structure, and the songwriting....
I believe We Will Rock You is actually more well known and popular than Bohemian Rhapsody world wide....and gets more airplay.....

I'm not taking any credit away from Freddie who was brilliant.....but without Brian we would have never seen the shining star that was Freddie....and the fantastic band Queen





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And of course vise versa,  queen wouldn't be if freddie didn't join the group either. that's been proven since freddie's death what have they acheived?....a couple of failed solo albums and the 4666 songs that didn't go nowhere, the cosmos flops.  Of course you make perfect sense with your "pop music" comment,  Songs like radio ga ga and "another one bites the dust" were great pop songs, but hurt brian and roger musically I think.  I also don't think any of them, including freddie would have made it big time without each other. When queen was released brian and roger were 25 and freddie almost 27. they wern't kids.