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Mistakes in 'Bechstein Debauchery'

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Lately, I've corrected several bits in my website, but I'm pretty sure there are still loads more. So, anybody who wants to contribute, please feel free to do it. Posting your corrections or doubts here allows everybody to read and discuss.

So far, I've corrected some info on backing vocals - Roger did sing on [i]Champions[/i], Brian did sing on [i]Dear Friends[/i], and I've added Abbey Road to the studios used in 'Magic' as well as Sterling Sound in 'Hot Space'.

Anything further will be appreciated.
John hated Hot Space. Frederick's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' 'Bohemian Rhapsody' hasn't got 180 vocal overdubs.
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Not exactly a correction. Or: not a correction at all. It’s just that, given the info you have gathered and the research you made, it’d be interesting to present it in different ways to both appeal to and inform fans. For instance: I always thought it’d be nice to have a section devoted to the guys’ opinions about each song. Let’s say: "White Man". Then there’d be a series of quotes beginning with the composer’s remarks - May’s own thoughts about it and, then, for instance, Freddie’s comments on it, as in some interviews Freddie used to make a sort of little review of the albums. Then Roger’s, and so on. For some songs there’d be a good amount of quotes and for others not that much - it’d be an interesting way to see how they regarded each other’s works and how their opinion eventually changed over time. It could be a reader-friendly guide to the way the band changed over time - from Freddie saying back in the middle of the 70’s that he preferred listening to Brian than to any synths, acknowledging May’s prowess as an arranger, to Brian’s own enthusiastic remarks about the possibilities opened up by more advanced keyboards and other technological innovations for the musician to expand his sound landscape.

A friendly-guide to Queen and part of rock history too, I guess.

It’s just an idea. I feel you have the research, you have the info, but sometimes, and I mean it in the most constructive sense, you could present it in a more appealing way, I don’t know.

I hope it helps in some way.
Yara
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Nothing to add yet, other than my appreciation and thanks for the site

Cheers
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]

Lately, I've corrected several bits in my website, but I'm pretty sure there are still loads more. So, anybody who wants to contribute, please feel free to do it. Posting your corrections or doubts here allows everybody to read and discuss.

So far, I've corrected some info on backing vocals - Roger did sing on [i]Champions[/i], Brian did sing on [i]Dear Friends[/i], and I've added Abbey Road to the studios used in 'Magic' as well as Sterling Sound in 'Hot Space'.

Anything further will be appreciated.
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Just add the description of every channel of the leaked multi-tracks and I'll be very happy :)
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Very nice new layout to the site! It looks much more organized.

These aren't corrections per se, just something I noticed; the pages for Liar, Jesus, The Night Comes Down, Seven Seas of Rhye, Modern Times Rock n Roll, Mad The Swine, and Son & Daughter aren't opening up.

Also, on the Queen II page, you post that "they sequenced the tracks in blocks of songwriters: Maylor and Mercury." Did you mean to type "Taylor" or do you mean a combination of songs from Taylor & May (clever name if so).

And, not so much a correction as a question: who were the kids singing in Teo Torriate and are any of the boys singing during that particular section?

And, in Millionaire Waltz, it might be good to note the similarity to [i]I'm A Little Black Rain-Cloud [/i]from Winnie the Pooh. I believe that was on BD before. I'm not sure if he deliberately took it from WtP (actually I think it was from a classical composer) but it's still note worthy.

And, probably to the screams of most Queenies here, you might consider putting some Q+PR info in there. Otherwise and in spite of this, a very thorough and gorgeous Queen site with more info and appreciation than you can shake a stick at! I'm hoping the Good Doctor knows about this!
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Thanks for your comments so far

There are still loads of things to be transferred from older versions to the current one, including the [i]Waltz[/i] thing (I want to add sheets to compare more thoroughly).

Quotes: I'm adding them slowly, including a link. For instance: http://sebastian.queenconcerts.com/1-ssorhye.htm

Links on the 'Queen' album: a huge blunder... got to correct it this weekend. Meanwhile, change the '7' by '1' in the URL bar.

About guitar vs synths: It's important to note that:

1. Brian was, most of the time, the one who PLAYED the choirs, but not necessarily the one who ARRANGED them. That was input from all four, and more often than not, the creator of the song.

2. Although both the band and the fans tend to label Queen (especially their early work) as guitars+vocals, it's unfair: drums, bass and piano are VERY important. That's one of the main purposes of the site, at least for the foreseeable future.

Multitrack thing: Yes, I'll add that, as soon as I proof-read them and plan a good layout. So far there's only KQ: http://sebastian.queenconcerts.com/3-kqueen.htm.

Coming up next: Studios used for each particular song (the ones that can be inferred, at least).

Maylor is indeed a portmanteu, but it wasn't my idea: I read it and incorporated it to my everyday vocabulary.

Teo: Apparently it's more a 'female' choir than a 'kid' one, but I agree the topic does deserve more research.

Non-Queen things (including [i]No-One But You[/i] and beyond): If you want info about them, I'm afraid you're gonna have to look it up in other websites (e.g. the magnificent Queenpedia), rather than mine. OTOH, I [i]may [/i]add info on solo albums next year (and maybe collaborations + guest appearances after the World Cup - depending on who the winner is), but so far I've never listened to 'TCR' and I don't plan to either. I'd rather focus on Queen instead ;)
John hated Hot Space. Frederick's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' 'Bohemian Rhapsody' hasn't got 180 vocal overdubs.
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I know you mentioned that you heard Roger sing in Champions after hearing the stripped version but I am curious to know why you thought he didn't before hearing it? Is it just because you couldn't make his voice out on the published version? If so does that mean parts of the site are based on opinion rather than fact?
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:op And whom shall I cheer for so that you add all this to the website? : -))

Thanks for the website, as always. If you ever need help with scores and song transcriptions in general, just tell me and I see what I can do.

SIRGH! Where’s [b]SirGH[/b]? He disappears and I have to shout for him. SirGH needs to do some updating there too, though I agree many entries have already achieved the optimum state. Let me tell you, SirGH, as your manager, I think you should foray into new territory while advancing the basic goals of the website. I mean...I miss sound bits. It’s nice to illustrate some points and you as a musician can introduce some slightly technical vocabulary without scaring off the people, you know how to do it. You’re talking about "Death On Two Legs" from X, 78. Suppose you want to illustrate a point: you can add a link to the sound bit which is being referred to in the article. People will benefit from it a lot, even as part of an informal, friendly music education - knowing, through the work of their beloved band, how certain chord patterns sound and so on. It may get people interested in doing music, I don’t know.

The same goes for [b]SEBASTIAN[/b]: plenty of sound bits to illustrate the points and a more interactive, with links to parts of songs, illustrating some basic concepts as bridge, middle-eight sections, basic chord progressions.

I don’t accept this argument of "having a life". It’s such a poor excuse! As if people like yourself were allowed to  have a life!

You see, I have wonderful ideas for other people’s websites. Maybe it’s about time for me to create my own and stop annoying website owners with suggestions. :op
Yara
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I'd just like to say well done to the creator of the website (Sebastian), a lot of work has obviously gone into it!

In my opinion (and in no way can I prove this), it sounds to me like the end 'choir' of All God's People has to be by Freddie, Brian and Roger. I am sure I can hear characteristics of all three of them and it is a big comparison to the first part of the song that clearly contains only Freddie's vocals.

That end 'choir' is one of the few 80s/90s choirs that really harks back to much of their ANATO/ADATR style.
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Good stuff!
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Too bad your own stubbornness is in the way of listening to some good music, Sebastian ;-)

Anyway, good work with the website.. I've said it over and over again, but it's the truth!
"On the first day Pim & Niek created a heavenly occupation. Pim & Niek blessed it and named it 'Loosch'." (Genesis 1:1)
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Is Seb really serious when he says he has never listened to TCR....
Why in Gods name not?

Regardless of your view on the joint partnership why would you not at least listen to the album? Surely 50% of Old Queen would spark enough interest no?

As John Lennon once sang...Strange days indeed.....
"It is better to sit in silence and have people think you're a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
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No. Come on. Sebastian has a great website. Using this or that line of his post to make personal innuendos or simply to provoke him is not helpful at all. People are entitled to, of course, but I fail to see the point!

Let’s try help him make it as accurate and helpful as possible, because that was his intention when he started the thread. I liked the messages of those who took their time to drop some words of encouragement too, just like Fried Chicken and Rhyeking’s. That was lovely!!!

I’m spreading the "venom", as dear Olivier says. : -))) I tell about Sebastian and SirGH’s websites to all Queen fans I meet out there because I think both websites are not only helpful but very entertaining too. At least to me!

Rock on, guys!
Yara
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> If so does that mean parts of the site are based on opinion rather than fact?

Of course! Unless I've got footage of each song being recorded so I can see who recorded which part and where and using what, I've got to resort to other sorts of sources (including, of course, my own ears).

> plenty of sound bits to illustrate the points and a more interactive, with links to parts of songs, illustrating some basic concepts as bridge, middle-eight sections, basic chord progressions.

Good idea, which may see the light of day sooner or later. I may add my own YT channel someday, and add those bits there. We shall see...

> I don’t accept this argument of "having a life". It’s such a poor excuse!

While I've only got 1% of the free time I used to in 2003, I have a hundred times more motivation and seriousness.

> Maybe it’s about time for me to create my own and stop annoying website owners with suggestions. :op

That's how 'Bechstein Debauchery' started, by the way.

> In my opinion (and in no way can I prove this), it sounds to me like the end 'choir' of All God's People has to be by Freddie, Brian and Roger.

D'you mean 'incredible'? If so, yes: I also think it may be. Got to listen to it carefully and eventually add a (temporary) conclusion.

> Too bad your own stubbornness is in the way of listening to some good music, Sebastian ;-)

It's not about stubbornness. Do you think I'd cover my ears if a song came on the radio, or I'd storm out of a record store featuring TCR, coming back later to blow it up? No - I'm not AGAINST TCR, I simply COULDN'T CARE LESS about it. If someday I'm on the bus and it sounds, I'll listen to it (assuming I haven't got to get off before it finishes).

But, if I get the choice of listening to ANATO and then TCR, I prefer to listen to ANATO twice.

> Is Seb really serious when he says he has never listened to TCR....  Why in Gods name not?

Already explained.

> Regardless of your view on the joint partnership why would you not at least listen to the album?

30 minutes of my life I can use for other things.

> Surely 50% of Old Queen would spark enough interest no?

Not in my case. Again: nothing against their partnership, their musical skills (which are huge, including Paul's) or their marketing strategies. I'm simply not interested in it.

> As John Lennon once sang...Strange days indeed.....

John Lennon is one of the artists I could enjoy listening to in the 30 minutes of my life I'd spend listening to TCR.
John hated Hot Space. Frederick's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' 'Bohemian Rhapsody' hasn't got 180 vocal overdubs.
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]



> Is Seb really serious when he says he has never listened to TCR....  Why in Gods name not?

Already explained.

> Regardless of your view on the joint partnership why would you not at least listen to the album?

30 minutes of my life I can use for other things.


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Me thinks your telling porkies here. There is no way someone as intersted in Queen as yourself hasn't listened to this album even once... NO WAY...

Especailly as you have a gift for explaining the intricacies of Queen material so well and have such a clear passion for the band. (NOT SARCASM).