If Brian, Roger and John did have a problem with Freddie's sexuality, then they would have left straight away. So in my opinion it was never a problem for them. And anyway, Freddie's initial image was more of an androgynous look, championed by the likes of David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust persona.[/QUOTE]
yeahp... if they didn't like freddie's sexual opinion, they wouldn't have turned "Queen"
Zander05 · Member since
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Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day
Was he gay? He's married and fathered 2 children.[/QUOTE]
In 1995 he came out as bisexual. To me, the "married with kids" excuse isn't a very good one. In the US, at least, same-sex marriage is legal in a number of states, and there's still domestic partnership in the states where it's not. Also, plenty of people cheat on their spouses, or have otherwise negotiated an open-marriage where one or both spouses can have other relationships. And anyone can have kids - whether through adoption, artificial insemination, or "the old-fashioned way."
catqueen · Member since
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It was a joke. Seems that jokes sometimes don't translate very well! :)
tjleone · Member since
To me, the "married with kids" excuse isn't a very good one
Yeah that's true. Rock Hudson comes to mind.
Crisstti · Member since
I get the impression it might have caused some problems.
- I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it. He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it, that sounded to me more than a little homophobic. So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that.
- It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems. That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle.
- Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video).
- Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory).
Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality. Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.
Zander05 · Member since
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[b]Crisstti wrote: [/b]
I get the impression it might have caused some problems.
- I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it. He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it, that sounded to me more than a little homophobic. So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that.
- It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems. That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle.
- Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video).
- Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory).
Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality. Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to preface this by saying I don't know Brian May. And it would be presumptuous of me to think that he isn't capable of being squicked out by "the gay" as loads of straight men are prone to do from time to time. I'd imagine in general, he doesn't give a damn one way or the other what someone's sexual orientation is, but still - he's human.
- I haven't read Brian's comments on the book or documentary. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill but even I didn't like them because they were invading Freddie's privacy. I love his singing, but I don't need to know what he did in bed and who he did it with! If that happened to be his opinion too, that wouldn't be the least bit homophobic - more like "I don't need to know details of my colleague's sex life!"
- What problems might there have been specifically? Can you give an example... a real one, and not a mere speculation? (I'm trying to be harsh here, I swear!)
- Okay, Freddie wore leather back in the day. So what? I'm so sick of the stereotype that leather is something only gay men are into wearing (or doing, if you consider the word "leather" a euphemism for kink/BDSM)! And maybe Brian doesn't like Don't Stop Me Now because he just doesn't like it? Feel free to post a link or something if there's an interview where Brian says something along the lines of, "I didn't like the song Don't Stop Me Now because it's so blatantly gay and I'm so uber heterosexual and now people are totally going to think I like guys omg!!!" Not every member of Queen liked each other's work.
- I don't really like Body Language either, but it got on the album anyway. Sort of like how Gimme The Prize got on the A Kind Of Magic album (I'm not being petty, I really dislike that song... with the exception of the opening solo).
Crisstti · Member since
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[b]Crisstti wrote: [/b]
I get the impression it might have caused some problems.
- I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it. He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it, that sounded to me more than a little homophobic. So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that.
- It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems. That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle.
- Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video).
- Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory).
Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality. Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.
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I'd like to preface this by saying I don't know Brian May. And it would be presumptuous of me to think that he isn't capable of being squicked out by "the gay" as loads of straight men are prone to do from time to time. I'd imagine in general, he doesn't give a damn one way or the other what someone's sexual orientation is, but still - he's human.
- I haven't read Brian's comments on the book or documentary. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill but even I didn't like them because they were invading Freddie's privacy. I love his singing, but I don't need to know what he did in bed and who he did it with! If that happened to be his opinion too, that wouldn't be the least bit homophobic - more like "I don't need to know details of my colleague's sex life!"
- What problems might there have been specifically? Can you give an example... a real one, and not a mere speculation? (I'm trying to be harsh here, I swear!)
- Okay, Freddie wore leather back in the day. So what? I'm so sick of the stereotype that leather is something only gay men are into wearing (or doing, if you consider the word "leather" a euphemism for kink/BDSM)! And maybe Brian doesn't like Don't Stop Me Now because he just doesn't like it? Feel free to post a link or something if there's an interview where Brian says something along the lines of, "I didn't like the song Don't Stop Me Now because it's so blatantly gay and I'm so uber heterosexual and now people are totally going to think I like guys omg!!!" Not every member of Queen liked each other's work.
- I don't really like Body Language either, but it got on the album anyway. Sort of like how Gimme The Prize got on the A Kind Of Magic album (I'm not being petty, I really dislike that song... with the exception of the opening solo).
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I'd like to say I'm not trying to badmouth Brian. I love him, 'cause he loves animals and is a vegetarian and he certainly seems like a lovely person. And I love his music as well.
But I do get the impression that he had some issues with Freddie being (so overtly) gay. I'm not saying that much of an issue, anyway.
- Brian's comments are here somewhere in this forum. Someone posted them. I don't think you can find them on his website because they're from some years ago and you can only find there staff from a pair of years ago or something.
But will try to find the post here.
I guess Brian's comments could be read as him being upset about invation of Freddie's privacy, but it was not really the impression I got.
I actually don't have a problem with Jim's book, I don't think it goes into too much detail about anything... though I haven't read the ending of it. The documentary doesn't bother me either, though I guess I can see why it would bother other people.
In any case, if anything about Freddie's private life would be offensive, what could be said about a biography or a movie about him?.
- Since I began to read about them, and read interviews and all, I got the impression theyw eren't as close around that time as before. Am I the only to think that...?.
One example I can think of now, is Freddie saying in an interview (from 1984 I think) answering a question about what did each of them do in the band, and he says something about each of them, and then says that they leave the wardrove to him, and the adds "and writing the hits". The interviewer laughs and he says "it's true". Now, that is indeed mainly true, but it seems like a rude thing to say... Also, in some interview from (I believe) 1980, in Argentina, they ask him why he seems to be more on his own and not hang out with the other band members, and he answers something like "we're a band, not a family".
Will try to think of some other example (or to find links to these ones...).
- Hey, I'm not talking about leather :). I'm talking about the T-shirt he wore in that video, which has the logo of a gay sex club of the time... Manschaft maybe?, will try to look it up (I notice I said jacket instead of T shirt, by bad. Consider that my fiirst language isn't English :)).
No, Brian hasn't said why he doesn't like Don't Stop me Now (as far as I know).
- Brian said he didn't like that the lyrics of Body Language were so overtly gay (he called it a gay ode or something similar), and that he had a go at Freddie because of that. I think from that alone one can assume he wasn't all that comfortable about Freddie being gay, and infer that maybe some of the above isses had to do with it.
I know it's speculative.
I'll try to find the interview, but I might not have time today.
Angeline · Member since
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[b]Crisstti wrote: [/b]
I get the impression it might have caused some problems.
- I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it. He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it, that sounded to me more than a little homophobic. So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that.
- It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems. That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle.
- Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video).
- Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory).
Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality. Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.[/QUOTE]
Um...I disagree with pretty much everything you have said. And find most of it offensive. Brian defends DSMN on his soapbox actually.
Saif · Member since
Actually, Angeline, Brian has expressed distaste for the song in the past. Either he's changed his opinion or he's only defending its popularity(or something).
Anyway, contrary to Crisstti's opinion, he hated the song apparently because it was not "rock enough"(not verbatim). In my opinion, he's just butthurt over the fact that his only input on the studio version is the guitar solo.
And the interview Crisstti's talking about regarding Body Language...nowhere did Brian condemn Freddie for using homoerotic overtones. He was uncomfortable with the suggestive lyrics in general, which I myself find too sleazy. There's nothing gay about the lyrics anyway, only the video could be construed that way.
Besides, 'gay' rhymes with Brian May, so I bet he's totally gay(happy) with Freddie being gay. :P
catqueen · Member since
There are several songs Brian says publically he doesn't like, and there are several Roger doesn't like. It could be to do with a million things - music, lyrics, way it was recorded, produced, marketed, being sick on the day it was recorded, etc, etc, etc. If Brian had such an issue with Freddie's homosexuality, why did he let him 'eat' the guitar and rub against him? In one concert Brian looks uncomfortable, but it seems like it was something else was wrong. In the audio commentary about Body Language, i got the impression that it was more like 'ho hum... slight embarrassment... yikes, was it really this camp?!' and that the main problem he had with it was that Freddie was coming under a lot of pressure to make a 'gay' video, rather then that Freddie actually particularly wanted to make it. Also, it was so different from their other videos, and was not necessarily the direction they were going in at the time. But that's just my opinion.
Regarding conflict, in an article in Q magazine, March 2008, he talks about conflict in the band.
"We were lucky in that we always got along well as people and we never fought on the road. We didn't see eye to eye in the studio and that was when things got tense. We would fight over every note of the songs and all of us left the group at some point during the recordings...
"Freddie was very flamboyant, but I had absolutely no idea he was gay. It was only in the '80s that he started bringing men backstage who had that particulat Adonis look... He was into his hair, his clothes. We all were, but he definately led the way with regard to preening."
dragon-fly · Member since
I don't think Brian particularly had problem with Freddie being gay. The reason for argument was music and all the process connected with it. Otherwise, he wouldn't agree to wear a dress in I Want To Break Free!
Soapy Gonad · Member since
I think that Freddie turned gay because he listened to Hot Space. Before that he liked to pump women.
The same thing happened to me when I listened to Hot Space. I left my wife and kids and started to touch men's cloth.
Had it not been for FLASSH SOUNDTRACKS I think I would still be in the Faroah IslANDS with the piece in my bottom.
HAHAHAH!!!111!!
Only joking Qwenzones! I bloody love the Invisible Man, which i am right in thinking is about Freddie's final illnesses.
PauloPanucci · Member since
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[b]Soapy Gonad wrote: [/b]
I think that Freddie turned gay because he listened to Hot Space. Before that he liked to pump women.
The same thing happened to me when I listened to Hot Space. I left my wife and kids and started to touch men's cloth.
Had it not been for FLASSH SOUNDTRACKS I think I would still be in the Faroah IslANDS with the piece in my bottom.
HAHAHAH!!!111!!
Only joking Qwenzones! I bloody love the Invisible Man, which i am right in thinking is about Freddie's final illnesses.[/QUOTE]
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Crisstti · Member since
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[b]Crisstti wrote: [/b]
I get the impression it might have caused some problems.
- I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it. He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it, that sounded to me more than a little homophobic. So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that.
- It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems. That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle.
- Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video).
- Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory).
Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality. Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.
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Um...I disagree with pretty much everything you have said. And find most of it offensive. Brian defends DSMN on his soapbox actually.
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There's nothing offensive about what I said. What exactly do you think is offensive, and to whom?.
Crisstti · Member since
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[b]Saif wrote: [/b]
Actually, Angeline, Brian has expressed distaste for the song in the past. Either he's changed his opinion or he's only defending its popularity(or something).
Anyway, contrary to Crisstti's opinion, he hated the song apparently because it was not "rock enough"(not verbatim). In my opinion, he's just butthurt over the fact that his only input on the studio version is the guitar solo.
And the interview Crisstti's talking about regarding Body Language...nowhere did Brian condemn Freddie for using homoerotic overtones. He was uncomfortable with the suggestive lyrics in general, which I myself find too sleazy. There's nothing gay about the lyrics anyway, only the video could be construed that way.
Besides, 'gay' rhymes with Brian May, so I bet he's totally gay(happy) with Freddie being gay. :P
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Brian's guitar solo is so great, I don't see why'd he'd have a problem with that being his input. Maybe he wanted to do a longer or different solo and Freddie didn't let him :).
I'm not really saying conclusively that Brian disliked it for it's gay lyrics or Freddie's t-shirt in the video, I said it's especulation, based on Brian's comments about Body language and the post I mentioned in his soapbox.
Brian did say he had a problem with the lyrics of Body Language for them being to gay. I'm very much sure.
I'm sorry to say something like that without providing a quote, but I've been really busy...
I actually don't think the lyrics are gay, not in a clear way anyway (maybe Freddie changed them because of Brian?), and much less do I see anything gay about the video... aren't cleary many women in it?.
