lol, your right!...halford did invent the spikes and the leather hat movement for metal, especially in the early to mid eighties.....that's ok for back then, but too see those retards still out there in 2009 is pretty funny. Manowar is another story, corny, funny, and manowar are straight men?...But freddie had that gay look?...forget about what bruce dickinson used too wear in the mid eighties. No one accuses him of having that gay look.
Dusta · Member since
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most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket.
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why do I need photo's?...lol. I lived it!...I was a 80's child.......I know a lot of rockers and straight men had the stache and leather Jacket, it was a popular look back then. You want photo's?....maybe not rockers, but popular straight men of that era who had staches Just like freddie. "burt reynolds".......tom selleck (spelling?) and baseball player keith hernandez. No one ever say's they had a gay look
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Ron Jeremy has a 'stache too!
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...and Ron Guidry...
Crisstti · Member since
I would like to say that Brian DID say he had a problem with the gay lyrics of Body Language (which many said he hadn't said). So I was right ;).
SO the answer to the original question is yes, they had at least on that ocation a problem because of the others (or just Brian) havin been uncomfortable with Freddie's sexuality. Brian's quote cannot be interpreted otherwise. he said he was uncomfortable with the lyrics of Body Language (called it a gay anthem), and that he had a go at Freddie about it.
Crisstti · Member since
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It's obvious from interviews that brian had a problem with freddie's sexuality. I remember brian commenting on the video "crazy little thing" that he was uncomforable with boys being in the video, I don't think songs like don't stop me now, get down make love and body language are really that gay. A straight man could have sang those songs, and none of us would think nothing about it,....except that he loves writing about sex.
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Well, "I wanna make a supersonic man out of you" it's undoubtly a gay reference.
Crisstti · Member since
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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying Freddie was being pressured to make a gay video?, by whom?.
Also, I don't think Brian had "such an issue" with it. But to some degree he did.
Also, in Brian's Howard Stern interview, he seems uneasy when Howard asks him some staff about Freddie being gay.
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Brian didn't explicitly say that, but it sounded like it in the commentary. He said something along the lines taht he thinks a lot of Freddie's friends were expecting him to do a song/video like that and implied that there may have been some pressure to do a 'gay' video. Whether it was pressure or encouragement I don't know! :) Like i said, i havent listened to the commentary in a while, but that is what i remember from it, because to be honest, i didn't really think about it being particularly gay. I mean, obviously a person's identity affects the way they portray or interpret something, but i didn't think it was anything more then that.
And that interview quote is interesting, but Brian is a fairly analytical type of person, who seems to think a lot and try to figure out exactly what and why he thinks and feels what he doew, so imo, the only reason he could be taken as homophobic in that interview is because he has given hte issue some thought, so it sounds a bit stiff or something. I don't think he is at all homophobic. I guess like Zebonka said, he may be more prudish/reserved then homophobic, I think he sounds like this when he talks about parties, drugs, sex, etc, I don't think it had too much to do with just homosexuality. And if he was homophobic, why would he change lyrics to make them more inclusive.
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He would change them because he wanted Freddie to be able to feel them when he sang them. So he said he had a problem about Freddie not doing the same for him. I do wonder however if he wasn't just racionalizing the fact that maybe he just didn't want the band to do gay lyrics. Because', you know, Freddie could easily have answered to him "I have no problem with singing songs which are overtly straight. Have been doing it for years. You write your songs how you want and I'll write mine how I want".
Also, he says they have "friends" f every tendency out there (is he talking about fans?) and that he doesn't want them to feel roped out. Well, he doesn't seem to have had a problem, before Freddie started writing "gay" songs, with their gay audience feeinlg roped out.
Crisstti · Member since
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those black leather Jackets were worn by brian as well. I wear one of those jackets and I'm far from gay. I don't get what the Jacket in the "don't stop me now video" has to do with anything. Same with the mustache thing. People refer to the 80's freddie as the gay look. In the 80's that look was very popular with straight men also. The Burt reynolds look. most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket. [/QUOTE]
I just made a mistake when I wrote "jacket". I meant Freddie's shirt in that video. Which has the logo of a New ork gay sex club. Who knows if the others were aware of that though.
About Freddie's 80's look being a "gay look" though, it definetly was. Brian himself says it in an interview. The interviewer asks him something like "it must have been hard for rock fans to see Freddie with his more stereotypical gay look in the 80's", and Brian sasy something like "yeah, but it shouldn't". So he accepted the interviewer's statement that it was a gay look.
Crisstti · Member since
About Freddie's t-shirt, the name of the club was Mineshaft.
those black leather Jackets were worn by brian as well. I wear one of those jackets and I'm far from gay. I don't get what the Jacket in the "don't stop me now video" has to do with anything. Same with the mustache thing. People refer to the 80's freddie as the gay look. In the 80's that look was very popular with straight men also. The Burt reynolds look. most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket.
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I just made a mistake when I wrote "jacket". I meant Freddie's shirt in that video. Which has the logo of a New ork gay sex club. Who knows if the others were aware of that though.
About Freddie's 80's look being a "gay look" though, it definetly was. Brian himself says it in an interview. The interviewer asks him something like "it must have been hard for rock fans to see Freddie with his more stereotypical gay look in the 80's", and Brian sasy something like "yeah, but it shouldn't". So he accepted the interviewer's statement that it was a gay look.[/QUOTE]
ok, I didn't know about the shirt thing!....If freddie had the gay look in the 80's, then why didn't keith hernandez, burt reynolds, tom selleck, ron guidry get accused of having the gay look?....I'm not starting an argument over this. I'm just curious why all those straight men didn't have that "gay look" but freddie did. I'm trying too upload a pic of keith hernandez in the 80's, he looked a lot like freddie in the 80's. I Just want too know the difference of why keith never looked gay, but freddie did?
Crisstti · Member since
About the shirt, considering Brian's attitude about the lyrics of Body Language (I don't really see seem as that clearly gay, much less a "gay anthem"), I think it's pretty logical to say that Freddie's shirt in the video of Don't Stop me Now may have been the reason for his dislike of the song (not to mention that the lyrics of this song are more clearly gay than those of Body Language). I don't think it's a far out conjecture at all.
About Freddie's 80's look, I'm not very sure how those other guys looked :). But I do think Tom Selleck had a similar look?. I cannot really say why Freddie's look would have been considered gay and theirs not. Don't know.
Zander05 · Member since
[b]I think it's pretty logical to say that Freddie's shirt in the video of Don't Stop me Now may have been the reason for his dislike of the song (not to mention that the lyrics of this song are more clearly gay than those of Body Language)."[/b]
Not to be rude or anything, but that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. And me being me (read, "big, flaming queer"), I've heard a LOT of dumb crap from a LOT of people. This enters my Top Three though. Congratulations, I guess!
Seriously, you think that Brian couldn't possibly dislike a song for any other reason than Freddie's choice of clothing? REALLY??? .... Seriously?!
I have brain damage from a pre-existing birth defect, but you've just made it worse.
mike hunt · Member since
who cares if brian doesn't like don't stop me now, he's allowed not to like a song. I'm sure freddie didn't like a few of brians good songs too.
Crisstti · Member since
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Not to be rude or anything, but that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. And me being me (read, "big, flaming queer"), I've heard a LOT of dumb crap from a LOT of people. This enters my Top Three though. Congratulations, I guess!
Seriously, you think that Brian [b]couldn't possibly[/b] dislike a song for any other reason than Freddie's choice of clothing? REALLY??? .... Seriously?!
I have brain damage from a pre-existing birth defect, but you've just made it worse.
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You seem to have a reading comprehension problem, darling.
Of course there could be other reasons. I said it MAY be the reason. Look "may" up.
Thank you.
Oh, I also happened to mention the lyrics.
Crisstti · Member since
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"MAY: Yeah, another dimension. In fact, I can remember having a go at Freddie because [b]some of the stuff he was writing[/b] was very definitely on the gay side. I remember saying, "it would be nice if this stuff could be universally applicable, because we have friends out there of every persuasion." It's nice to involve people. What it's not nice to do is rope people out. And I felt kind of roped out by something that was very overtly a gay anthem, like "Body Language"[Hot Space, 1982]. I thought it was very hard to take that in the other way. It's hard to talk about this. But there you go."
Saying "some of the stuff" clearly implies Brian is talking about more than one song. What another song could he be refering to, apart from Body Language?. Don't Stop me Now is the obvious answer.
TheRobin · Member since
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"MAY: Yeah, another dimension. In fact, I can remember having a go at Freddie because [b]some of the stuff he was writing[/b] was very definitely on the gay side. I remember saying, "it would be nice if this stuff could be universally applicable, because we have friends out there of every persuasion." It's nice to involve people. What it's not nice to do is rope people out. And I felt kind of roped out by something that was very overtly a gay anthem, like "Body Language"[Hot Space, 1982]. I thought it was very hard to take that in the other way. It's hard to talk about this. But there you go."
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I can understand where Brian is coming from in that quote, and I'm probably the LAST person on Earth who someone would call homophobic. Brian is saying that with some songs Freddie had (MAYBE) presented to the band were, as he said "on the gay side". Brian's problem is that the songs Freddie presented had no consideration for anything else with the band other than the "gay subject". Now Queen is 3/4 straight, if you have a song that is only about a "gay subject" it wouldn't be so democratic and everything would just be weird. Imagine you're Brian, Roger, or John and are playing a song where Freddie is talking about visiting gay clubs and dancing all over guys (this is ONLY AN EXAMPLE!), it'd be extremely awkward because you wouldn't dance all over guys being a straight man (I'm actually female but I'm only using an example).
The "some of the stuff" part could have been discarded songs that the band refused to play, or Freddie realizing that he wasn't thinking of what the band would think about the unknown songs. Now, some songs may have been edited, like Body Language to tune down the gay hints, to make the rest of the band feel more included and have some say the direction of the song was going to take.
NOW, why would ANYONE think the band might have disliked Freddie for his sexuality? I'm talking about the older posts in this topic. I don't think his sexuality influenced one single iota in the way the other guys perceived him. Brian and Freddie were best friends! Roger and Freddie were best friends! John and Freddie were best friends! The band were his best friends so why should something so minimal and pointless as one's sexuality make a difference in a friendship? It's ridiculous some of you would even think that.
And Chrisstti, I never figured Don't Stop Me Now to be about anything gay. In an earlier post you said something about him saying, "I wanna make a supersonic man outta you." He says the same thing later about a woman. Anyways, I think the song is about using cocaine. It's obvious he's talking about getting high! FFS he calls himself an out of control satellite, a tiger who defies the law of gravity, a shooting star, and a race car! And if you wanna have a good time just call him and he'll throw a party and supply you with drugs. WHAT FUN!
To put it all together, there wasn't a "Gay Issue" within Queen. I highly doubt any member was homophobic, how weird is it to have your best friend be gay and you're homophobic - it doesn't make sense. Probably the only "problem" which seems very minor, was the overtly gay material in a couple of songs that the rest of the band would have had a, rightfully so, problem with seeing as they're straight! It'd be just as weird to make a song about having sex with lots and lots of women, Freddie wasn't straight and they wouldn't want to isolate, or "rope out" as Brian says, any group of people. They kept it pretty general IMO.
Wow, did I write a book there or what?
pittrek · Member since
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