Kiss

I don't think it's about test of time in this case. I guess  it's about the territory, the place of action.

Kiss is just one of those weird American things.  There was a guy on the General Discussion a couple of years ago who insisted that Kiss were more influential than the Beatles to music.
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[/QUOTE]I explained to him that this might be the case in his particular town.  On a global scale though??  You've got to be kidding...[/QUOTE]

I know Queen are way more popular on a global scale, but in new york  kiss are huge.

A little bit in defence here: The new 'Sonic Boom' album is actually the best record they made since the make-up came off!

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[b]dragon-fly wrote: [/b]

I don't think it's about test of time in this case. I guess  it's about the territory, the place of action.[/QUOTE]
KISS just had their most successful tour of Europe in 2008.  They also headlined the Download festival for the second time (the first time it was called Castle Donington Festival).   From recent rumors they'll be playing 8 shows in
the U.K. and 40 shows in Europe starting in May 2010.

They've been a functioning band for over 35 years.  Can't say the same about Queen (who's my second favorite
band).

"Sonic Boom" has already sold more copies in the U.S. than "The Cosmos Rocks" and their current U.S. tour
has played to more people than the Q+PR U.S. tour.  Queen peaked in the U.S. with "The Game". 

BTW, guess who Brian May called when he needed a drummer for both his solo tour and to play a few Queen shows?
That's right, KISS' drummer, Eric Singer.

"Sonic Boom".  Heard all around the world.

"Say Yeah"!

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Kiss is just one of those weird American things.  There was a guy on the General Discussion a couple of years ago who insisted that Kiss were more influential than the Beatles to music.
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Wrong.  KISS is an internationally successful/famous rock band.

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[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]



 



I know Queen are way more popular on a global scale, but in new york  kiss are huge.



 

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Wrong.

KISS' Alive/35 world tour 2008/2009:

Australia/New Zealand

March 16, 2008
Melbourne
Australia
Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit

March 18, 2008
Brisbane
Brisbane Entertainment Centre

March 20, 2008
Sydney
ACER Arena

March 22, 2008
Wellington
New Zealand
Rock2Wgtn

Europe

May 9, 2008
Oberhausen
Germany
König Pilsener Arena

May 11, 2008
Munich
Olympiahalle

May 12, 2008
Vienna
Austria
Wiener Stadthalle

May 13, 2008
Verona
Italy
Arena di Verona

May 15, 2008
Belgrade
Serbia
Tašmajdan Stadium (CANCELLED)

May 16, 2008
Sofia
Bulgaria
Akademik Stadium

May 18, 2008
Athens
Greece
Terra Vibe Park

May 22, 2008
Riga
Latvia
Arena Riga

May 24, 2008
Moscow
Russia
Olympic Arena

May 26, 2008
St. Petersburg
Ice Palace

May 27, 2008
May 28, 2008
Helsinki
Finland
Hartwall Areena


May 30, 2008
Stockholm
Sweden
Stockholms Stadion

May 31, 2008
Oslo
Norway
Vallhall Arena

June 1, 2008
Bergen
Koengen

June 3, 2008
Copenhagen
Denmark
Copenhagen Forum

June 4, 2008
Hamburg
Germany
Color Line Arena

June 6, 2008
Prague
Czech Republic
O2 Arena

June 9, 2008
Berlin
Germany
Berlin Velodrom

June 10, 2008
Mannheim
SAP Arena

June 11, 2008
Oberhausen
König Pilsener Arena

June 13, 2008
Castle Donington
England
Download Festival

June 15, 2008
Nijmegen
Netherlands
Arrow Rock Festival

June 17, 2008
Paris
France
Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy

June 18, 2008
Stuttgart
Germany
Schleyerhalle

June 21, 2008
Bilbao
Spain
Kobetasonik Festival

June 23, 2008
Zurich
Switzerland
Hallenstadion

June 24, 2008
Milan
Italy
Datchforum

June 26, 2008
Esch-sur-Alzette
Luxembourg
Rockhal

June 27, 2008
Nuremburg
Germany
Nuremburg Arena

June 28, 2008
Dessel
Belgium
Graspop Metal Meeting

United States

August 4, 2008
Sturgis
United States
Rock'n The Rally

August 29, 2008
Las Vegas
Pearl Concert Theatre

August 30, 2008
Lake Tahoe
Harvey's Outdoor Arena

August 31, 2008
Kelseyville
Konocti Harbor Amphitheatre

South America

April 3, 2009
Santiago
Chile
Estadio Municipal de La Florida

April 5, 2009
Buenos Aires
Argentina
River Plate Stadium

April 7, 2009
São Paulo
Brazil
Parque Anhembi

April 8, 2009
Rio de Janeiro
Praça da Apoteose

April 11, 2009
Bogotá
Colombia
Simón Bolívar Park

April 14, 2009
Lima
Peru
Estadio Nacional

April 17, 2009
Caracas
Venezuela
Hipódromo La Rinconada

North America

June 27, 2009
Milwaukee
United States
Milwaukee Summerfest

July 10, 2009
Sarnia
Canada
Sarnia Bayfest

July 11, 2009
Windsor
Colosseum at Caesars Windsor

July 13, 2009
Montreal
Bell Centre

July 15, 2009
Ottawa
Ottawa Bluesfest

July 16, 2009
Quebec City
Quebec City Summer Festival

July 18, 2009
Halifax
Halifax Rocks 2009

July 20, 2009
Orillia
Casino Rama

July 21, 2009

July 28, 2009
Paso Robles
United States
California Mid-State Fair

September 25, 2009
September 26, 2009
Detroit
Cobo Arena


September 28, 2009
Cleveland
Quicken Loans Arena

September 29, 2009
London
Canada
John Labatt Centre

October 1, 2009
Montreal
Bell Centre

October 2, 2009
Toronto
Air Canada Centre

October 3, 2009
Uncasville
United States
Mohegan Sun Arena

October 5, 2009
Boston
TD Garden

October 7, 2009
Oshawa
Canada
General Motors Centre

October 9, 2009
Uniondale
United States
Nassau Coliseum

October 10, 2009
New York
Madison Square Garden

October 12, 2009
Philadelphia
Wachovia Center

October 13, 2009
Washington
Verizon Center

October 16, 2009
Hampton
Hampton Coliseum

October 17, 2009
Greenville
Bi-Lo Center

October 19, 2009
Pensacola
Pensacola Civic Center

October 21, 2009
Tampa
St. Pete Times Forum

October 22, 2009
Sunrise
Bank Atlantic Center

October 24, 2009
Birmingham
Birmingham Jefferson Arena

October 26, 2009
Atlanta
Philips Arena

October 28, 2009
Nashville
Sommet Center

October 29, 2009
Little Rock
Verizon Arena

October 31, 2009
New Orleans
Voodoo Music Experience

November 6, 2009
Chicago
United Center

November 7, 2009
Minneapolis
Target Center

November 9, 2009
Winnipeg
Canada
MTS Centre

November 10, 2009
Saskatoon
Credit Union Centre

November 12, 2009
Calgary
Pengrowth Saddledome

November 14, 2009
Vancouver
General Motors Place

November 15, 2009
Seattle
United States
KeyArena at Seattle Center

November 17, 2009
Portland
Rose Garden

November 19, 2009
Sacramento
Arco Arena

November 21, 2009
Fresno
Save Mart Center

November 22, 2009
Oakland
Oracle Arena

November 24, 2009
Anaheim
Honda Center

November 25, 2009
Los Angeles
Staples Center

November 27, 2009
San Diego
San Diego Sports Arena

November 28, 2009
Las Vegas
Pearl Concert Theatre

December 1, 2009
Glendale
Jobing.com Arena

December 2, 2009
El Paso
Don Haskins Center

December 4, 2009
Austin
Frank Erwin Center

December 5, 2009
Houston
Toyota Center

December 6, 2009
Dallas
American Airlines Center

December 8, 2009
Tulsa
BOK Center

December 10, 2009
Kansas City
Sprint Center

December 11, 2009
Council Bluffs
Mid-America Center

December 13, 2009
Pittsburgh
Mellon Arena

December 15, 2009
Sault Ste. Marie
Canada
Essar Centre


Plus "Sonic Boom" world tour starting in 2010.

Yeah but I mean, [url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1592807/20080814/jonas_brothers.jhtml]these[/url] people all outperformed TCR as well and they're all total pants.

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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]

Yeah but I mean, [url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1592807/20080814/jonas_brothers.jhtml]these[/url] people all outperformed TCR as well and they're all total pants.  [/QUOTE]
"KISS Behind The Mask - The Official Authorized Biography"

Brian May, Queen:

"I like KISS a lot.  Queen were often compared to KISS at the time.  We were sort of counterparts.  They were the American version and we were the English version.  I think we went into it with slightly different ideas.  KISS came more from a presentation view to begin with and moved more toward the musical.  I think we probably started in the musical and worked more toward the presentation.  I have a great regard for KISS 'cause it's all-out.  They just had their vision, they had their dream, and they damn well went for it."

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[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]

I have a feeling this new kiss album will reach #1 in the states.   Sad, but true.  [/QUOTE]

2009

The Billboard 200 (U.S.) - 2

Billboard Hard Rock Albums (U.S.) - 1

Billboard Rock Albums (U.S.) - 1

Billboard Independent Albums (U.S.) - 1

Top European Albums Chart - 5

Norwegian Albums Chart - 2

Swedish Albums Chart - 3

Czech Albums Chart - 3

German Albums Chart - 4

Austrian Albums Chart - 6

Finnish Albums Chart - 7

Ukrainian Albums Chart - 7

Brazilian Albums Chart - 7

Italian Albums Chart - 10

Switzerland Albums Chart - 12

Holland Albums Chart - 13

Romanian Albums Chart - 19

Australian ARIA Albums Chart - 23

Slovak Albums Chart - 23

UK Albums Chart - 24

Danish Albums Chart - 24

French Albums Chart - 31

Spanish Albums Chart - 32

Greek Albums Chart - 38

Belgium Albums Chart - 40

Estonian Albums Chart - 63

Latvian Albums Chart - 80

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[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]

KISS,  The most overhyped band in rock history!.....Ripping off the fans once again.[/QUOTE]
Some may say that Q+PR was ripping of their fans.

I enjoyed the Q+PR tour and 2 concert dvds, but I think "The Cosmos Rocks" sucks.

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[b]skip wrote:[/b]

"KISS Behind The Mask - The Official Authorized Biography"

Brian May, Queen:

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Yes but it's not important what Brian May says.  Some of us like to draw our own conclusions about the world.  I don't really have a problem with Kiss at all, I have tremendous sentimentality towards some of their 70's material, but they are a joke.  A lucrative, massively adored and iconic joke.  Having said that, it worked for them and they have a lot to be proud of, being a hard working band for the better part of four decades.
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[/QUOTE]But artistically, musically ... they're dreck.  And that's why I love them - for what they are, and not what they aren't.  I think that's why a lot of people on this forum have a problem with Kiss - they look for something that isn't there and miss the point entirely.[/QUOTE]

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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]

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[b]skip wrote:[/b]



"KISS Behind The Mask - The Official Authorized Biography"



Brian May, Queen:



 

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Yes but it's not important what Brian May says.  Some of us like to draw our own conclusions about the world.  I don't really have a problem with Kiss at all, I have tremendous sentimentality towards some of their 70's material, but they are a joke.  A lucrative, massively adored and iconic joke.  Having said that, it worked for them and they have a lot to be proud of, being a hard working band for the better part of four decades.
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[/QUOTE] But artistically, musically ... they're dreck.  And that's why I love them - for what they are, and not what they aren't.  I think that's why a lot of people on this forum have a problem with Kiss - they look for something that isn't there and miss the point entirely. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]

No, some of you live in a black and white world.  Some of you could never think of liking more than one band.
Too many sheep who live inside the box.  Can't think for yourselves.

I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like KISS (or no longer like KISS).  Everything you've posted is only your opinion.
It's meaningless to me and everyone else.

BTW, a joke doesn't sell 100 million units worldwide, play to millions of fans worldwide, influence other bands in
various genres of music (rock, hard rock, heavy metal, pop, country, industrial, techno, theatrical, etc.), influence people to pick up a musical instrument and start making music of their own, and set the standard of what a rock show should sound like and look like.

"Unplugged" is a prime example of why your "dreck" comment is meaningless.

KISS set the standard.  Everyone else followed their example.

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[b]skip wrote:[/b]



No, some of you live in a black and white world.  Some of you could never think of liking more than one band.
Too many sheep who live inside the box.  Can't think for yourselves.

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I think if you were to apply that flimsy logic to everyone in the world who disagreed with you, you'd come off looking awful silly.  (Wouldn't want that would we?)
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[/QUOTE]And jokey, gimmicky bands make plenty of money.  The Wiggles.  Spinal Tap.  The Monkees ...  !




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And I LIKED the Kiss Movie.  Pffft!
















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