Hitler was a genius. An evil genius (or an 'out of control' genius), but a genius nonetheless.
Page is a person who plays guitar well, and became grossly overrated by the public. [/QUOTE] But the greatest evil genius ever? Compared to other dictators or tyrants?
GratefulFan · Member since
Jesus Christ. You're all arrested and charged under Godwin's Law. Bread and water and Air Supply for all of you.
Matias Merçeauroix · Member since
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Page is a person who plays guitar well
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No.
Sebastian · Member since
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[b]tcc wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
Hitler was a genius. An evil genius (or an 'out of control' genius), but a genius nonetheless.
Page is a person who plays guitar well, and became grossly overrated by the public.
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Killing people is genius ? This topic is getting more and more weird.
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Hitler didn't kill people. He ordered loads of killings, which is not the same thing.
And loads of genocides and/or criminals are geniuses, even if what they do/did is wrong.
That's got nothing to do with Page, unless of course you consider he's killed loads of music by playing it.
john bodega · Member since
I just don't see the fuss about Page, on either side. Blackmore is far more worth talking about (up until he got hijacked by that succubus). He's on another planet as far as playing guitar goes.
Amazon · Member since
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[b]tcc wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
Hitler was a genius. An evil genius (or an 'out of control' genius), but a genius nonetheless.
Page is a person who plays guitar well, and became grossly overrated by the public.
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Killing people is genius ? This topic is getting more and more weird.
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Hitler didn't kill people. He ordered loads of killings, which is not the same thing.
And loads of genocides and/or criminals are geniuses, even if what they do/did is wrong.
That's got nothing to do with Page, unless of course you consider he's killed loads of music by playing it.
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I will ignore the genius comment, but to say that Hitler didn't kill people is completely and totally wrong. Do you really think that someone has to press the trigger in order to kill someone? Hitler ordered the killings, and thanks to him, millions of people were murdered. Sebastian, you're often quite pedantic, but this is not the appropiate discussion in which to be pedantic. Hitler was a genocidal murderer. End of story.
Amazon · Member since
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People harp on about Stairway but it's bloody contrived and boring.
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Funny you say that. When I was younger, I didn't particularly like STH. I thought it was extremely overrated, and I've always much preferred Dazed & Confused (still do). However, a couple of months ago, I listened to STH for the first time in years, and I fell in love with it. I regard Page's solo as among the greatest solos of all time; exciting, aggressive and IMO the eptiome of genius! In fact, the latter part of STH (the solo onwards) constittutes IMO one of the finest hard rock songs of all time. BTW, STH is one of the few songs where I really love Plant's vocals. If people want to talk about someone who's famous and important, but overrated, I would suggest Robert Plant!
john bodega · Member since
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[b] If people want to talk about someone who's famous and important, but overrated, I would suggest Robert Plant![/b]
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Good God no. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]But the Rolling Stones certainly qualify.
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Amazon · Member since
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[b] If people want to talk about someone who's famous and important, but overrated, I would suggest Robert Plant![/b]
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"Good God no.
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But the Rolling Stones certainly qualify."
Yeh, they do, but so does IMO Plant. An extremely talented vocalist, with incredible control and a fantastic high voice; I don't think he was quite as brilliant as many people make him out to be. For one thing, I think he was in many cases the weakst link in the group, and I think that songs like Kashmir could have been greatly improved if he wasn't singing like a little girl. Kashmir is a perfect example. Incredible instrumentation; but IMO Plant was far too delicate and so prevented the song from IMO becoming the absolute masterpiece it could have been.
Rolling Stone Magazine's list of the 100 best vocalists has, if I'm not mistaken, Plant ahead of Jagger and Freddie among rock vocalists. Although Plant was great, there is no way I would put him above Freddie in any 'best of' list (I think he's about the same as Jagger). I would definitely describe him as overrated.
Sebastian · Member since
> I will ignore the genius comment, but to say that Hitler didn't kill people is completely and totally wrong.
No, it's not: an orchestral conductor isn't playing the instruments, even if what he or she does is even more important. Same case here: Hitler didn't kill, although he ordered literally millions of murders which is, as you imply, even more criminal. But he didn't kill.
> Sebastian, you're often quite pedantic
Actually, I'm not. I [i]am[/i] concerned with points that other people would find trivial, but that's merely an effect of people being different and liking different things.
> Hitler was a genocidal murderer.
And a way better (worse) one than Page as guitarist.
> End of story.
Not really... there are loads of things that haven't been cleared up about that era, loads of uncovered secrets, etc. Without them seeing the light, the 'end of story' is still light years away.
Regarding Plant: I agree he's overrated, but IMO he's a far better vocalist than Page is a guitarist. And he comes off better when switching (i.e. Plant plays guitar way better than Jimmy sings).
Holly2003 · Member since
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> I will ignore the genius comment, but to say that Hitler didn't kill people is completely and totally wrong.
No, it's not: an orchestral conductor isn't playing the instruments, even if what he or she does is even more important. Same case here: Hitler didn't kill, although he ordered literally millions of murders which is, as you imply, even more criminal. But he didn't kill.
> Sebastian, you're often quite pedantic
Actually, I'm not. I [i]am[/i] concerned with points that other people would find trivial, but that's merely an effect of people being different and liking different things.
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Err.. no. In English, and I'm sure in other languages too, we do not speak literally all the time. It would be very odd if we did, and very boring and annoying. So when someone says "Hitler was a mass murderer" it is simply an information shortcut. The meaning is totally clear and does not have to be analysed to the point where everyone wants to commit suicide out of boredom. See here [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic[/url] for an extreme example.
john bodega · Member since
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[b] I think that songs like Kashmir could have been greatly improved if he wasn't singing like a little girl. Kashmir is a perfect example. Incredible instrumentation; but IMO Plant was far too delicate and so prevented the song from IMO becoming the absolute masterpiece it could have been. [/b]
[/QUOTE] It was already a masterpiece. If he'd been putting Heartbreaker style vocals on it, it would not have made any sense. It would be like Bonzo doubling the tempo or Page solo-ing during the lyrics.
Sebastian · Member since
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
> I will ignore the genius comment, but to say that Hitler didn't kill people is completely and totally wrong.
No, it's not: an orchestral conductor isn't playing the instruments, even if what he or she does is even more important. Same case here: Hitler didn't kill, although he ordered literally millions of murders which is, as you imply, even more criminal. But he didn't kill.
> Sebastian, you're often quite pedantic
Actually, I'm not. I [i]am[/i] concerned with points that other people would find trivial, but that's merely an effect of people being different and liking different things.
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Err.. no. In English, and I'm sure in other languages too, we do not speak literally all the time. It would be very odd if we did, and very boring and annoying. So when someone says "Hitler was a mass murderer" it is simply an information shortcut. The meaning is totally clear and does not have to be analysed to the point where everyone wants to commit suicide out of boredom. See here [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic[/url] for an extreme example.
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I didn't ask anybody to 'speak literally all the time'. I stated that Hitler didn't kill people [i]per se[/i], which is right. Absolutely nothing 'has to be analysed', but it can if a person (me, in this case) wants to. If you're bored with it, you can... wait for it... wait for it... not read!
Have you tried that?
PS: I know Mr Logic, I think he's great.
Holly2003 · Member since
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
> I will ignore the genius comment, but to say that Hitler didn't kill people is completely and totally wrong.
No, it's not: an orchestral conductor isn't playing the instruments, even if what he or she does is even more important. Same case here: Hitler didn't kill, although he ordered literally millions of murders which is, as you imply, even more criminal. But he didn't kill.
> Sebastian, you're often quite pedantic
Actually, I'm not. I [i]am[/i] concerned with points that other people would find trivial, but that's merely an effect of people being different and liking different things.
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Err.. no. In English, and I'm sure in other languages too, we do not speak literally all the time. It would be very odd if we did, and very boring and annoying. So when someone says "Hitler was a mass murderer" it is simply an information shortcut. The meaning is totally clear and does not have to be analysed to the point where everyone wants to commit suicide out of boredom. See here [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic[/url] for an extreme example.
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I didn't ask anybody to 'speak literally all the time'. I stated that Hitler didn't kill people [i]per se[/i], which is right. Absolutely nothing 'has to be analysed', but it can if a person (me, in this case) wants to. If you're bored with it, you can... wait for it... wait for it... not read!
Have you tried that?
PS: I know Mr Logic, I think he's great.
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Not only are you pedantic, you also cannot be told anything by anyone. You refuse to learn from others, and that's the worst kind of bore.
Sebastian · Member since
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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
> I will ignore the genius comment, but to say that Hitler didn't kill people is completely and totally wrong.
No, it's not: an orchestral conductor isn't playing the instruments, even if what he or she does is even more important. Same case here: Hitler didn't kill, although he ordered literally millions of murders which is, as you imply, even more criminal. But he didn't kill.
> Sebastian, you're often quite pedantic
Actually, I'm not. I [i]am[/i] concerned with points that other people would find trivial, but that's merely an effect of people being different and liking different things.
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Err.. no. In English, and I'm sure in other languages too, we do not speak literally all the time. It would be very odd if we did, and very boring and annoying. So when someone says "Hitler was a mass murderer" it is simply an information shortcut. The meaning is totally clear and does not have to be analysed to the point where everyone wants to commit suicide out of boredom. See here [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Logic[/url] for an extreme example.
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I didn't ask anybody to 'speak literally all the time'. I stated that Hitler didn't kill people [i]per se[/i], which is right. Absolutely nothing 'has to be analysed', but it can if a person (me, in this case) wants to. If you're bored with it, you can... wait for it... wait for it... not read!
Have you tried that?
PS: I know Mr Logic, I think he's great.
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Not only are you pedantic, you also cannot be told anything by anyone. You refuse to learn from others, and that's the worst kind of bore.
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Actually, I'm not pedantic, as I'm not preaching any sort of knowledge, nor I'm involved in formal rules (I never went to college, for instance).
Of course I can be told loads of things by loads of people, and here, in this forum, I've been told loads of things by loads of people.
Of course I don't refuse to learn from others, and as a matter of fact I have learnt a lot from other people in this forum, you included.
Regarding the 'worst kind of bore' ... well, that's your opinion, and it's respectable. But the rest of your post is quite off.
