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Such hate on this site. I would like to think that fans on here are here for Freddie and would stand up for what he decided for himself during his life and in the end. That’s whose side I am on, and I do feel strongly that if Freddie were alive when Jim Hutton published his book, he wouldn’t have taken it too well. I liken it to what Paul Prenter did to Freddie. I don’t see how Jim’s book is any different. Out of all of the people in Freddie’s life, you would think Jim, knowing how Freddie reacted to Paul Prenter’s actions, would have held Freddie’s privacy nearer and dearer than anyone else. Freddie didn’t hesitate to cut anyone from his life immediately and completely if they betrayed his trust, no matter what their role or how long he knew them. I don’t think Jim Hutton would have been any different if Freddie were alive. What Jim did was deplorable. He put Freddie’s most intimate details on display. He sold books, pictures and videos. He went on a talk show circuit. He took and sold the famous yellow Wembley jacket. http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-57. He did not give it to AIDS charity as many state.
I also do not believe a word Jim Hutton says, and not because it is my “feeling” or “opinion”, but because he contradicts himself at every turn (written and spoken). He also never shows any regard or respect for Freddie’s privacy and focuses on “I, me, I, me” the entire time telling stories to either make himself out to be the hero or victim. Interviewers ask him how Freddie felt and how Freddie dealt with things, but when he answers he only talks about himself and not Freddie.
I also do not believe a word Jim Hutton says, and not because it is my “feeling” or “opinion”, but because he contradicts himself at every turn (written and spoken). He also never shows any regard or respect for Freddie’s privacy and focuses on “I, me, I, me” the entire time telling stories to either make himself out to be the hero or victim. Interviewers ask him how Freddie felt and how Freddie dealt with things, but when he answers he only talks about himself and not Freddie.
Examples of Jim Hutton’s contradictions, which makes him lose all credibility with me:
In this interview, he claims he saw/met Freddie THREE times before he went home with him: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zANjOqmVc
In this interview, he claims he didn’t know who Freddie was until Joe Fanelli told him as he was getting coffee in the kitchen: http://www.timteeman.com/2006/09/07/i-couldnt-bear-to-see-freddie-wasting-away/
In this interview, he claims it was Freddie himself that told him who he was: https://hornet.com/stories/freddie-mercury-boyfriend-jim-hutton/amp/
In this interview, he claims he found out “during the course of the evening” who Freddie was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVQit8mvgnY (this entire series is just flat out disgusting and full of inaccuracies).
In this interview he claims that Freddie died in his arms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pypBYL_5G0 5:47
In this interview he claims Freddie was not in his arms, but he was there when Freddie died: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zANjOqmVc
It has been stated, and he has claimed himself that he helped nurse Freddie, but in this interview he says that he didn’t, as he couldn’t bear to see Freddie wasting away: http://www.timteeman.com/2006/09/07/i-couldnt-bear-to-see-freddie-wasting-away/ “Mercury was nursed by Fanelli and Freestone. “He wanted me to do it but I couldn’t bear to see him wasting away,” says Hutton.”
He claims in his book that Freddie’s bones broke when they moved him in bed, but Peter Freestone (since people seem to trust him) says otherwise http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-24, http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-89
He claims it was Kaposi Sarcoma on Freddie’s shoulder that he had biopsied first and then found out he was HIV positive, but Peter Freestone says it was a mark on his hand, not shoulder http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-76, http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-74. Also, you can see this mark on Freddie’s hand in various photos, so I tend to believe Peter over Jim https://www.pinterest.com/pin/84724036720651861/, https://pin.it/4p52vhjfvkaumu.
He claims that at the end of These are the Days of Our Lives when Freddie looks at the camera and says, “I still love you” that Freddie is talking to HIM and not fans https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4pypBYL_5G0 . Everyone else, including Bryan May, says that was Freddie’s goodbye to his fans. Bryan May stated in an interview that Jim Hutton had an “idealistic” view of his influence on Freddie and the band.
He claims that Freddie didn’t have anything to do with the statement released to the press the day before he died, http://www.timteeman.com/2006/09/07/i-couldnt-bear-to-see-freddie-wasting-away/. But all other accounts say that Freddie worked with Jim Beach on the release, including Peter Freestone http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-29
He claims that he was “kicked out of Garden Lodge” by Mary two weeks after Freddie died, but in this interview he claims he didn’t leave until March 1992 https://m.ranker.com/list/freddie-mercury-and-jim-hutton-relationship/melissa-sartore “Hutton left Garden Lodge in March 1992.”
He claims that he and Freddie continued to have sex, but with condoms, after Freddie’s diagnosis, but Freddie HIMSELF said otherwise https://brianmay.com/freddie/cr1201/cr1201b.html “I've stopped going out, whatever, and to be honest I've almost become a nun. I learned the hard way. I thought sex was a very important thing to me because I lived through sex, and now I've gone completely the other way. You see, I'm one of those people who can go from black to white; I don't like intermediary measures or anything. It's quite easy for me to completely give up. I can give up alcohol at the drop of a hat. And yes, it [HIV/Aids] has frightened me to death and I have stopped having sex.”
There are claims that they called each other “husband”, but there is nowhere in print or in interview, where Freddie says that. It doesn’t matter if someone’s sister’s husband’s cousin’s Aunt claims that they called each other that, unless you see it or hear it from Freddie, I would question it. There are two interesting blogs from Peter Freestone on Freddie and marriage. This is one of them http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-55. Also, Freddie wore a ring on his right hand at various times throughout his life and career. It may have been when he was in a relationship with someone, so the ring he wore while with Jim isn’t anything different than what he would normally do. He has one on in the Leiden interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA-leRQp5nk from 1984.
And I would like to see in print or in interview somewhere, anywhere where the band states that they hate Mary Austin and that Mary was the one that had guards placed at Garden Lodge. That was more than likely part of probate and securing the property as it went through the process to prevent break-ins and looting. Just because it may have happened, doesn’t mean it was ordered by Mary.
I think Peter Freestone says it best on his blog: “I must admit that sometimes I wonder if people check their facts before making statements on facebook etc. Like many people I check various fan pages and I am astounded by all the misinformation that I read that is stated as hard fact. I am sure that these people believe what they write, but for the rest of us, please don’t accept everything you read as the truth, without checking up on some of the more outrageous things that you see laid down.”
In this interview, he claims he saw/met Freddie THREE times before he went home with him: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zANjOqmVc
In this interview, he claims he didn’t know who Freddie was until Joe Fanelli told him as he was getting coffee in the kitchen: http://www.timteeman.com/2006/09/07/i-couldnt-bear-to-see-freddie-wasting-away/
In this interview, he claims it was Freddie himself that told him who he was: https://hornet.com/stories/freddie-mercury-boyfriend-jim-hutton/amp/
In this interview, he claims he found out “during the course of the evening” who Freddie was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVQit8mvgnY (this entire series is just flat out disgusting and full of inaccuracies).
In this interview he claims that Freddie died in his arms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pypBYL_5G0 5:47
In this interview he claims Freddie was not in his arms, but he was there when Freddie died: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zANjOqmVc
It has been stated, and he has claimed himself that he helped nurse Freddie, but in this interview he says that he didn’t, as he couldn’t bear to see Freddie wasting away: http://www.timteeman.com/2006/09/07/i-couldnt-bear-to-see-freddie-wasting-away/ “Mercury was nursed by Fanelli and Freestone. “He wanted me to do it but I couldn’t bear to see him wasting away,” says Hutton.”
He claims in his book that Freddie’s bones broke when they moved him in bed, but Peter Freestone (since people seem to trust him) says otherwise http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-24, http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-89
He claims it was Kaposi Sarcoma on Freddie’s shoulder that he had biopsied first and then found out he was HIV positive, but Peter Freestone says it was a mark on his hand, not shoulder http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-76, http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-74. Also, you can see this mark on Freddie’s hand in various photos, so I tend to believe Peter over Jim https://www.pinterest.com/pin/84724036720651861/, https://pin.it/4p52vhjfvkaumu.
He claims that at the end of These are the Days of Our Lives when Freddie looks at the camera and says, “I still love you” that Freddie is talking to HIM and not fans https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4pypBYL_5G0 . Everyone else, including Bryan May, says that was Freddie’s goodbye to his fans. Bryan May stated in an interview that Jim Hutton had an “idealistic” view of his influence on Freddie and the band.
He claims that Freddie didn’t have anything to do with the statement released to the press the day before he died, http://www.timteeman.com/2006/09/07/i-couldnt-bear-to-see-freddie-wasting-away/. But all other accounts say that Freddie worked with Jim Beach on the release, including Peter Freestone http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-29
He claims that he was “kicked out of Garden Lodge” by Mary two weeks after Freddie died, but in this interview he claims he didn’t leave until March 1992 https://m.ranker.com/list/freddie-mercury-and-jim-hutton-relationship/melissa-sartore “Hutton left Garden Lodge in March 1992.”
He claims that he and Freddie continued to have sex, but with condoms, after Freddie’s diagnosis, but Freddie HIMSELF said otherwise https://brianmay.com/freddie/cr1201/cr1201b.html “I've stopped going out, whatever, and to be honest I've almost become a nun. I learned the hard way. I thought sex was a very important thing to me because I lived through sex, and now I've gone completely the other way. You see, I'm one of those people who can go from black to white; I don't like intermediary measures or anything. It's quite easy for me to completely give up. I can give up alcohol at the drop of a hat. And yes, it [HIV/Aids] has frightened me to death and I have stopped having sex.”
There are claims that they called each other “husband”, but there is nowhere in print or in interview, where Freddie says that. It doesn’t matter if someone’s sister’s husband’s cousin’s Aunt claims that they called each other that, unless you see it or hear it from Freddie, I would question it. There are two interesting blogs from Peter Freestone on Freddie and marriage. This is one of them http://www.freddiemercury.com/en/ask-phoebe/blog-55. Also, Freddie wore a ring on his right hand at various times throughout his life and career. It may have been when he was in a relationship with someone, so the ring he wore while with Jim isn’t anything different than what he would normally do. He has one on in the Leiden interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA-leRQp5nk from 1984.
And I would like to see in print or in interview somewhere, anywhere where the band states that they hate Mary Austin and that Mary was the one that had guards placed at Garden Lodge. That was more than likely part of probate and securing the property as it went through the process to prevent break-ins and looting. Just because it may have happened, doesn’t mean it was ordered by Mary.
I think Peter Freestone says it best on his blog: “I must admit that sometimes I wonder if people check their facts before making statements on facebook etc. Like many people I check various fan pages and I am astounded by all the misinformation that I read that is stated as hard fact. I am sure that these people believe what they write, but for the rest of us, please don’t accept everything you read as the truth, without checking up on some of the more outrageous things that you see laid down.”
And I realize that I spelled Brian's name wrong. That's autocorrect for you...
Freddie: I have no friends, only Mary.
Freddie: I stopped having sex.
Don’t take Freddie’s dry sense of humor seriously.
Freddie: I stopped having sex.
Don’t take Freddie’s dry sense of humor seriously.
Thank you for collating all of this MelancholyBlues24.
For Freddie & others: it is fine to have opinions on events, but you need to acknowledge when that has changed to inventing your own story entirely about who a person is. The reason I had to assume it was a wind up in here was the level of distance from fact at which you were speaking not only of Mary or Jim, but of Freddie too.
And of course we do not know everything about Freddie, let alone others, but that does not mean it is fine to just assume people are exactly how your own imagination suggests to you & fill in the blanks with untruths which you then begin to believe.
In my view, when differing opinions become definitely not ok is when you begin insulting people and assuming & stating characteristics you categorically do not know are facts about who they were.
At that point, your words too no longer say anything true about the person you speak of. Because you can’t say anything true when it comes from a place of such unfounded conjecture. The words you say can then only express something about you.
People in this thread explicitly stating Mary wanted revenge, and directed towards Freddie too. In my view it is not ok & it needs to be acknowledged that however much you believe it, you don’t know it at all & have no proof, so it is not ok to either insult a person this way as though it is fact or use things as foundations for your reasoning which you made up yourself.
For Freddie & others: it is fine to have opinions on events, but you need to acknowledge when that has changed to inventing your own story entirely about who a person is. The reason I had to assume it was a wind up in here was the level of distance from fact at which you were speaking not only of Mary or Jim, but of Freddie too.
And of course we do not know everything about Freddie, let alone others, but that does not mean it is fine to just assume people are exactly how your own imagination suggests to you & fill in the blanks with untruths which you then begin to believe.
In my view, when differing opinions become definitely not ok is when you begin insulting people and assuming & stating characteristics you categorically do not know are facts about who they were.
At that point, your words too no longer say anything true about the person you speak of. Because you can’t say anything true when it comes from a place of such unfounded conjecture. The words you say can then only express something about you.
People in this thread explicitly stating Mary wanted revenge, and directed towards Freddie too. In my view it is not ok & it needs to be acknowledged that however much you believe it, you don’t know it at all & have no proof, so it is not ok to either insult a person this way as though it is fact or use things as foundations for your reasoning which you made up yourself.
@Melancholy Blues 24
Nice research but... there is no big contradictions here. Yes, Phoebe said he saw the mark on his hand, but he also said that Freddie told him about AIDS several weeks after testing. Jim said that after first test Freddie had other tests and maybe Peter saw mark from other test. About the ring, yes, we can see that before his birthday 1986 he had different rings. But after that, in every picture and on every video, it always wore that ring and it's clearly seen that it's a different ring than the one from Live Aid. I think when Jim talked about taking off a ring he thought of their private life, clubs, restaurants, etc. Do you really think Freddie could have said "I have boyfriend (or lover) and I call him - my husband" in the interviews during period 1985-1991? In that interview, where he says he stopped having sex, I think it refers to his wild life, party, promiscuity, not literally sex. In this interview he also said that he is in a relationship and described the relationship.
You say he sold Freddie"s yellow jacket? Maybe he had to, who knows. How many Freddie's things from the house Mary maybe sold although still earns money thanks to Freddie? How many of his things were placed in some basements to collect dust there?
Jim never said that he was only person who take care of Freddie and gave him the medicines. He said Joe and Peter had most job about it. He didn't say "broken bone", he said "sound like broken bone".
Jim never told that he was the only and most important person in his life. He just said that they loved each other very much and they were close. And probably they were.
He didn't say that he had some influence on Queen, only about "fried chicken"
He had the right to publish a book about his life with Freddie. That was his life too. If his book is so insulting, full of lies (and my opinion - it's not ) why none of the people mentioned in the book didn't go to court?
You can do research interviews of other people, of Mary, Brian, Phoebe, Jim Beach, about anyone. You will see that you will find more or less contradictions there also. Of course, when editing interviews for printed editions, adding and deleting words is happen. Who cares after 20 years who said to Jim who Freddie really was, did John Alexander in gay club or Joe Faneli in Freddie's flat?
This editing may be with intention or unintentional. By the way, Jim in his book said Freddie told him " i'm a singer" when they were talking about their jobs in Freddie's flat in March 1985.
But after all, we saw how Freddie was shown in the movie and how some events were shown, especially - Queen didn't perform live for years before Live Aid and it was because of his solo career. This is no accidentaly, the movie was made with that intention.
And when you mentioned Phoebe, he just said in some documentary that "Love of Freddie's life was Garden Lodge. And Jim"
He also said several times in his blog that in his last years, the only piece of jewelry that Freddie wore was the ring Jim gave him.
Nice research but... there is no big contradictions here. Yes, Phoebe said he saw the mark on his hand, but he also said that Freddie told him about AIDS several weeks after testing. Jim said that after first test Freddie had other tests and maybe Peter saw mark from other test. About the ring, yes, we can see that before his birthday 1986 he had different rings. But after that, in every picture and on every video, it always wore that ring and it's clearly seen that it's a different ring than the one from Live Aid. I think when Jim talked about taking off a ring he thought of their private life, clubs, restaurants, etc. Do you really think Freddie could have said "I have boyfriend (or lover) and I call him - my husband" in the interviews during period 1985-1991? In that interview, where he says he stopped having sex, I think it refers to his wild life, party, promiscuity, not literally sex. In this interview he also said that he is in a relationship and described the relationship.
You say he sold Freddie"s yellow jacket? Maybe he had to, who knows. How many Freddie's things from the house Mary maybe sold although still earns money thanks to Freddie? How many of his things were placed in some basements to collect dust there?
Jim never said that he was only person who take care of Freddie and gave him the medicines. He said Joe and Peter had most job about it. He didn't say "broken bone", he said "sound like broken bone".
Jim never told that he was the only and most important person in his life. He just said that they loved each other very much and they were close. And probably they were.
He didn't say that he had some influence on Queen, only about "fried chicken"
He had the right to publish a book about his life with Freddie. That was his life too. If his book is so insulting, full of lies (and my opinion - it's not ) why none of the people mentioned in the book didn't go to court?
You can do research interviews of other people, of Mary, Brian, Phoebe, Jim Beach, about anyone. You will see that you will find more or less contradictions there also. Of course, when editing interviews for printed editions, adding and deleting words is happen. Who cares after 20 years who said to Jim who Freddie really was, did John Alexander in gay club or Joe Faneli in Freddie's flat?
This editing may be with intention or unintentional. By the way, Jim in his book said Freddie told him " i'm a singer" when they were talking about their jobs in Freddie's flat in March 1985.
But after all, we saw how Freddie was shown in the movie and how some events were shown, especially - Queen didn't perform live for years before Live Aid and it was because of his solo career. This is no accidentaly, the movie was made with that intention.
And when you mentioned Phoebe, he just said in some documentary that "Love of Freddie's life was Garden Lodge. And Jim"
He also said several times in his blog that in his last years, the only piece of jewelry that Freddie wore was the ring Jim gave him.
Spiralstatic...... I understand what you're saying, I really do, but, by the same token, people do have the right to draw their own conclusions, based on what is said/done and, heard....you, yourself have done just that.....and, they have a right to express those thoughts and feelings.... isn't that what you're doing, right now?
I respect everyone's right to come to any conclusions they think best fits this particular situation, not everyone is going to see it the same way and, that's perfectly fine.
True, no one, other than who was present at any particular time, knows what was said and done or, who knew or didn't know anything that was going on, that's why people are left to fill in the blanks and, draw their own conclusions, based on what information is actually out there.
Everyone here, has done just that...drawn their own conclusions.... that's all we CAN do.
I see nothing wrong with people expressing the conclusions they've drawn, we're talking about people who's lives were very public, it's not like anyone commented on anything that wasn't already out there, it's all easily obtained information....not, top secret material.
I respect everyone's right to come to any conclusions they think best fits this particular situation, not everyone is going to see it the same way and, that's perfectly fine.
True, no one, other than who was present at any particular time, knows what was said and done or, who knew or didn't know anything that was going on, that's why people are left to fill in the blanks and, draw their own conclusions, based on what information is actually out there.
Everyone here, has done just that...drawn their own conclusions.... that's all we CAN do.
I see nothing wrong with people expressing the conclusions they've drawn, we're talking about people who's lives were very public, it's not like anyone commented on anything that wasn't already out there, it's all easily obtained information....not, top secret material.
LOL you realize Freddie frequently lied or exaggerated in interviews, right? He didn't stop having sex and Jim wasn't a liar. Stop fangirling over Mary
Sweetandtenderhooligan....if that last comment is aimed at me, I have no idea what you're talking about.... my post isn't even about Mary, didn't even mention her.
@Sweetandtenderhooligan - I never called Jim a liar. I simply stated, and gave examples of, why he lost credibility with me. When someone changes their story four times over, it makes me scratch my head and say, "Wait a minute." That is all.
As far as "fangirling" for Mary. Where do I say that I am pro Mary? Just because I say that I don't believe Jim, doesn't automatically mean that I am all over Mary. Again, I simply asked for proof of clams that the band "hated Mary" or that she was the one that hired the guards, so that I could research and see for myself. I don't blindly believe what I see on public websites.
As far as "fangirling" for Mary. Where do I say that I am pro Mary? Just because I say that I don't believe Jim, doesn't automatically mean that I am all over Mary. Again, I simply asked for proof of clams that the band "hated Mary" or that she was the one that hired the guards, so that I could research and see for myself. I don't blindly believe what I see on public websites.
@Invisible Woman
There is a big contradiction, as far as I am concerned, with how the meeting between Jim and Freddie went. The whole "I didn't know who he was" is important because a lot of other things are based on that, including his authenticity. I am not arguing, just disagreeing.
Phoebe states that after Freddie had his hand biopsied, it was after that that he received his HIV diagnosis, so the two go hand-in-hand according to Pheobe's blog. Just stating what I read from what other people deem as a reliable source.
I did not disagree or argue that Freddie wasn't, or didn't, wear the ring Jim gave him. It is clear in all videos and interviews that he did. I was simply stating that he has done it before in the past. Who knows if other people game him the rings that he wore, or if they were his own. Again, Jim made a big deal that Freddie wore HIS ring. In the past, he may just as well been wearing other people's rings too.
I can't comment on other things that belonged to Freddie, nor did I claim to. I was showing Pheobe's blog about the Wembley jacket because I have seen numerous times over that Jim donated it for AIDS research, which according to Phoebe, is not true.
I did not state that Jim said he was the only important person in Freddie's life. Where did I say that?
I will disagree about the right to publish his book. Yes, it was his life too, but where does it show that he had Freddie's permission to publish his intimate details and personal photos? How would you or anyone else feel if someone did the same to you without your permission? It happens all of the time on social media, and there are plenty of lawsuits regarding people displaying unauthorized photos. Of course there has been no legal action against the book because Freddie is not here to dispute anything.
I have not seen the movie, nor am I interested in seeing the movie, so I cannot comment on it.
I fully respect your position and your thoughts, and I don't wish to argue. We all form our own perceptions and views. These are mine based on research that I have done. Nothing more, nothing less.
There is a big contradiction, as far as I am concerned, with how the meeting between Jim and Freddie went. The whole "I didn't know who he was" is important because a lot of other things are based on that, including his authenticity. I am not arguing, just disagreeing.
Phoebe states that after Freddie had his hand biopsied, it was after that that he received his HIV diagnosis, so the two go hand-in-hand according to Pheobe's blog. Just stating what I read from what other people deem as a reliable source.
I did not disagree or argue that Freddie wasn't, or didn't, wear the ring Jim gave him. It is clear in all videos and interviews that he did. I was simply stating that he has done it before in the past. Who knows if other people game him the rings that he wore, or if they were his own. Again, Jim made a big deal that Freddie wore HIS ring. In the past, he may just as well been wearing other people's rings too.
I can't comment on other things that belonged to Freddie, nor did I claim to. I was showing Pheobe's blog about the Wembley jacket because I have seen numerous times over that Jim donated it for AIDS research, which according to Phoebe, is not true.
I did not state that Jim said he was the only important person in Freddie's life. Where did I say that?
I will disagree about the right to publish his book. Yes, it was his life too, but where does it show that he had Freddie's permission to publish his intimate details and personal photos? How would you or anyone else feel if someone did the same to you without your permission? It happens all of the time on social media, and there are plenty of lawsuits regarding people displaying unauthorized photos. Of course there has been no legal action against the book because Freddie is not here to dispute anything.
I have not seen the movie, nor am I interested in seeing the movie, so I cannot comment on it.
I fully respect your position and your thoughts, and I don't wish to argue. We all form our own perceptions and views. These are mine based on research that I have done. Nothing more, nothing less.