It was his shoulder, not hand. You're damaging your credibility.
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I don’t understand your answer. How I am damaging my credibility?
Phoebe said it was his hand. Jim said it was his shoulder. I choose to believe Phoebe. Others choose to believe Jim.
Phoebe said it was his hand. Jim said it was his shoulder. I choose to believe Phoebe. Others choose to believe Jim.
^ I also don't have the intention to argue. I just wrote my view which also based on what I could read and see in the documentaries. Your view is different and I respect that. None of us here from the forum know what is real true about it. But this is a forum, a place to say what we think about something. :)
ForFreddie wrote:
“Mary was written as a warm, caring loving friend to Freddie, because she probably would have sued them if they had written the truth... besides, it really wasn't about Mary and Freddie's relationship, the movie was about Freddie and the band...the movie really didn't dwell on the Freddie/Mary relationship....that isn't the way they wanted it to go... that's for another time, perhaps.
The people who wrote the books afterwards, told the truth about Mary.“
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What ForFreddie wrote is not just an opinion; it is completely false information. And it is ridiculous.
The movie was about Freddie. His relationship with Mary is prominent in the story. Mary is a private person and in order to prepare for playing Mary, Lucy Boynton used Brian May as a resource.
Mary was a kind person and a loving, caring, lifelong friend to Freddie.
It is not “OK” nor acceptable for anyone to go online and trash her character just because they “feel it in their gut”. That feeling in your gut is hatred. Deal with it in your own personal way, but not by contaminating the internet and Queen fan sites with your hateful feelings and theories. The excuse of “nobody here was there, so I can draw my own conclusions” is a very poor excuse for posting lies and hate on a website for all to see, and for new fans to read and become misled. It is wrong!
I’m surprised people here are willing to say, “Well, that’s my opinion, and I can post whatever I want” when the “opinion” is based on hatred and an attempt to trash a person’s character.
“Mary was written as a warm, caring loving friend to Freddie, because she probably would have sued them if they had written the truth... besides, it really wasn't about Mary and Freddie's relationship, the movie was about Freddie and the band...the movie really didn't dwell on the Freddie/Mary relationship....that isn't the way they wanted it to go... that's for another time, perhaps.
The people who wrote the books afterwards, told the truth about Mary.“
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What ForFreddie wrote is not just an opinion; it is completely false information. And it is ridiculous.
The movie was about Freddie. His relationship with Mary is prominent in the story. Mary is a private person and in order to prepare for playing Mary, Lucy Boynton used Brian May as a resource.
Mary was a kind person and a loving, caring, lifelong friend to Freddie.
It is not “OK” nor acceptable for anyone to go online and trash her character just because they “feel it in their gut”. That feeling in your gut is hatred. Deal with it in your own personal way, but not by contaminating the internet and Queen fan sites with your hateful feelings and theories. The excuse of “nobody here was there, so I can draw my own conclusions” is a very poor excuse for posting lies and hate on a website for all to see, and for new fans to read and become misled. It is wrong!
I’m surprised people here are willing to say, “Well, that’s my opinion, and I can post whatever I want” when the “opinion” is based on hatred and an attempt to trash a person’s character.
Donna....that " feeling in my gut" is just that...a feeling, that leads me to my, opinions.
Hatred? Why would I hate her, I don't even know her, if my opinions equal hatred, if that's what you think...that, is what is ridiculous....and, yes, I can say whatever I want regarding the situation and, what I've determined to be the best scenario... that's what's wrong in the world today, a person can't say anything without being accused of hatred or, worse, just because some other people, don't agree, that's what it all boils down to, you don't agree with me, so, I must be wrong.
All you have, by the way, are opinions, because, like me, you were also, not there, I happen to think you're wrong, but, you're entitled to have your opinions....so do I.
Hatred? Why would I hate her, I don't even know her, if my opinions equal hatred, if that's what you think...that, is what is ridiculous....and, yes, I can say whatever I want regarding the situation and, what I've determined to be the best scenario... that's what's wrong in the world today, a person can't say anything without being accused of hatred or, worse, just because some other people, don't agree, that's what it all boils down to, you don't agree with me, so, I must be wrong.
All you have, by the way, are opinions, because, like me, you were also, not there, I happen to think you're wrong, but, you're entitled to have your opinions....so do I.
Also, Donna, how do you know, from where my comments come? Do you know me? Or, is it just a ' feeling,' you have?
„Mary was a kind person and a loving, caring, lifelong friend to Freddie.“
Donna13 is repeating over and over again, like in a mantra, what a wonderful person Lady Austin was. There must be some religious believe in there somewhere.
Donna13 is repeating over and over again, like in a mantra, what a wonderful person Lady Austin was. There must be some religious believe in there somewhere.
I bet Donna13 IS Mary Austin, sitting at home in Garden Lodge, being a little bored after having checked the latest bank-statement and feeling the need to defend herself.
Let me tell you something, Donna, if she really was a loving-caring friend, she wouldn't have lived the lie to act as Mercury's girlfriend in public, she wouldn't have been taking part in his pathetic claim to being straight. Let's face it, he used her and in turn she used him. No loving and caring will ever reach people which are on self-destructive paths. But, I am sure you will be twisting that as well in order to hold on to your image of Saint Austin.
Let me tell you something, Donna, if she really was a loving-caring friend, she wouldn't have lived the lie to act as Mercury's girlfriend in public, she wouldn't have been taking part in his pathetic claim to being straight. Let's face it, he used her and in turn she used him. No loving and caring will ever reach people which are on self-destructive paths. But, I am sure you will be twisting that as well in order to hold on to your image of Saint Austin.
"Loving, caring friend to Freddie"......not so much. She waited until Freddie was breathing his last, showed up mid morning, stayed all of half an hour, then left before he died..... some, loving caring, lifelong friend to the end.
Donna, I respect your right to believe what you do, you, though, are the one who doesn't seem to respect the rights of others, to do the same.
Donna, I respect your right to believe what you do, you, though, are the one who doesn't seem to respect the rights of others, to do the same.
I am still with mixed feelings - who say the truth - Mary or Jim. Can't be both!!!
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for me Mary isn't very smart person. She is just too quite and available, very deep in love with Freddie (this can open another door - love with him or money, or fame.....) On my opinion Mary is ld-fashion, and she just couldn't walk next to Freddie, she couldn't accepts this life into the music. I don't know Mary, but i am totally sure she is so deeply in love with Freddie! From his side - she was always there ....
for me Jim is exactly same as Mary - quite and available.
Did Freddie love her or him -- probably. But what made me think deeper were parts in Jim's book where he said how Freddie didn't care much about Jim. Freddie spent nights having fun with other people, while Jim waited him in the bedroom. I got the feeling that Freddie even cared more about Joe and Phoebe. And the fact Freddie left same money to thm all is not pro Jim!!!
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in the movie - I know Freddie's relationship with Mary isn't shown as it was. BUT I got the feeling that they blame Mary for leting down Freddie. Like if she was there really , she just could go on with Freddie and stopped him from falling
but
for me Mary isn't very smart person. She is just too quite and available, very deep in love with Freddie (this can open another door - love with him or money, or fame.....) On my opinion Mary is ld-fashion, and she just couldn't walk next to Freddie, she couldn't accepts this life into the music. I don't know Mary, but i am totally sure she is so deeply in love with Freddie! From his side - she was always there ....
for me Jim is exactly same as Mary - quite and available.
Did Freddie love her or him -- probably. But what made me think deeper were parts in Jim's book where he said how Freddie didn't care much about Jim. Freddie spent nights having fun with other people, while Jim waited him in the bedroom. I got the feeling that Freddie even cared more about Joe and Phoebe. And the fact Freddie left same money to thm all is not pro Jim!!!
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in the movie - I know Freddie's relationship with Mary isn't shown as it was. BUT I got the feeling that they blame Mary for leting down Freddie. Like if she was there really , she just could go on with Freddie and stopped him from falling
As I guess, ForFreddie, Donna13 belongs to the secret Mary-Austin-cult. There's just no reasoning with cult-followers. I tell you, there'll be a Mary-Austin-shrine, soon, to worship that loving, caring icon of a friend.
Zori, what are you trying to tell us? No one could have „stopped Freddie from falling“. Except for those moralists that were involved in writing the movie-script. Mary Austin was too busy being a „loving, caring“ friend to stop Freddie falling. By the way, falling from what, exactly?
The Circle of Eidolon has been reading this thread.
Freddie through his life ditched people whom he did not wish to spend time with. ex lovers, friends, hangers on, and so on. He had a small inner circle of close friends. Mary Austin was there from the earliest history of the band and she was one of the few whom Freddie seemed happy to still be there in his final days
Without knowing her or him some members seem to think they are best placed to comment
Small minds thinking they have the biggest anwsers usually have nothing.
The Circle of Eidolon has spoken
Freddie through his life ditched people whom he did not wish to spend time with. ex lovers, friends, hangers on, and so on. He had a small inner circle of close friends. Mary Austin was there from the earliest history of the band and she was one of the few whom Freddie seemed happy to still be there in his final days
Without knowing her or him some members seem to think they are best placed to comment
Small minds thinking they have the biggest anwsers usually have nothing.
The Circle of Eidolon has spoken
Even though I am impressed of your arrogance, Eidolon, I have to laugh on your pseudo-psychological statements. They're pathetic.
The Circle of Eidolon chooses carefully how it adds to any post. If you believe that arrogance or pseudo psychology is used, we can assure you that those appear in your mind, not in our words
You have two choices. Believe what you claim or learn from what we say.
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You have two choices. Believe what you claim or learn from what we say.
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