FunLovinCriminal
But please, The Circle, try to understand that I am a lover, not a learner. What am I going to do now?
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spiralstatic
For Freddie, you say:
"I see nothing wrong with people expressing the conclusions they've drawn, we're talking about people who's lives were very public, it's not like anyone commented on anything that wasn't already out there, it's all easily obtained information....not, top secret material."
But I don't see a huge distinction between what you say here and it being OK for the press to write any awful thing about Freddie for example? Unless you think that was fine too? They came to conclusions with information out there too.
Also, Mary and Jim's lives were in no way public. Jim put himself into the public sphere by writing a book to some degree, but Mary - certainly not, she is very private. And OK, she's done the odd interview, but never anything overly revealing about herself or Freddie. Not that fame should dictate the privacy anyone ought to be allowed.
I suppose it is natural to speculate about people and you're right, I come to my own conclusions too, but I personally think there is a huge difference between having your own feelings and opinions on situations and people and writing on a public forum that people are bad people or have negative qualities which you have concluded solely by speculative means, not at all from facts. You can think Mary acted wrongly from what you know, but you cannot know anything about who she is as a person, so to put negative qualities upon her based on nothing you know about (other than from he said, she said) in my view is wrong.
"I see nothing wrong with people expressing the conclusions they've drawn, we're talking about people who's lives were very public, it's not like anyone commented on anything that wasn't already out there, it's all easily obtained information....not, top secret material."
But I don't see a huge distinction between what you say here and it being OK for the press to write any awful thing about Freddie for example? Unless you think that was fine too? They came to conclusions with information out there too.
Also, Mary and Jim's lives were in no way public. Jim put himself into the public sphere by writing a book to some degree, but Mary - certainly not, she is very private. And OK, she's done the odd interview, but never anything overly revealing about herself or Freddie. Not that fame should dictate the privacy anyone ought to be allowed.
I suppose it is natural to speculate about people and you're right, I come to my own conclusions too, but I personally think there is a huge difference between having your own feelings and opinions on situations and people and writing on a public forum that people are bad people or have negative qualities which you have concluded solely by speculative means, not at all from facts. You can think Mary acted wrongly from what you know, but you cannot know anything about who she is as a person, so to put negative qualities upon her based on nothing you know about (other than from he said, she said) in my view is wrong.
Sweetandtenderhooligan
Letting photographers into Garden Lodge seems pretty revealing to me
FunLovinCriminal
Spiralstatic, I know you have good intentions, but I really can't stand the community-worker-ductus you and a lot of other people are presenting here time and again anymore. I really don't like to read your lecturing of For Freddie. Can he or she please have an opinion on things? Can you please accept that they differ from yours? This forum wouldn't exist anymore if it was just for facts and spoilers. Clashes of opinions are what makes forums like this interesting ands lively, don't you think, my dear?
ForFreddie
Spiralstatic.... I don't want to discuss Mary with you, I have my opinions and, whatever got me to those conclusions, is my business... especially, of late....you believe anything you please and I'll applaud your right to do so... I won't even say, you're wrong....you believe, what you believe.
FunLovinCriminal..... thanks!
FunLovinCriminal..... thanks!
FunLovinCriminal
ForFreddie... I love you!
ForFreddie
FunLovinCriminal.....lol...
I could be wrong on some things.... could be.
Since there's now viewpoints from people who actually knew Freddie, I mean, they probably can't get too in-depth, but, I'm willing to do some rethinking.(I may not fully come around, though.)
Still, I hold to the premise, everyone has an opinion, everyone has their own beliefs and, we all have a right to express them.
I mean no disrespect to anyone.
I could be wrong on some things.... could be.
Since there's now viewpoints from people who actually knew Freddie, I mean, they probably can't get too in-depth, but, I'm willing to do some rethinking.(I may not fully come around, though.)
Still, I hold to the premise, everyone has an opinion, everyone has their own beliefs and, we all have a right to express them.
I mean no disrespect to anyone.
FunLovinCriminal
That's the principle of democracy, For Freddie. But really, these forums wouldn't exist if we were all sweethearts, holding hands, without any arguments, don't you think.
Even though, you're slightly coming up with the community-worker-ductus yourself, I still love you. But don't bend it too much!
Even though, you're slightly coming up with the community-worker-ductus yourself, I still love you. But don't bend it too much!
ForFreddie
Oh, I never bend too much, don't worry about that...lol....
Let's just say, I'm willing to concede, I could have been slightly wrong, perhaps what I believe, I shouldn't, at least not to the degree, in which I did.
There's some wiggle room there.
Am I going to do a 180? No. Maybe, a 90. Give some things the benefit of the doubt, while holding onto, some of the previous.
Let's just say, I'm willing to concede, I could have been slightly wrong, perhaps what I believe, I shouldn't, at least not to the degree, in which I did.
There's some wiggle room there.
Am I going to do a 180? No. Maybe, a 90. Give some things the benefit of the doubt, while holding onto, some of the previous.
ForFreddie
Crap.... back to my original assessment....I need to quit reading.
One should always trust their instincts, I usually do, but, was trying to give the benefit of the doubt.
One should always trust their instincts, I usually do, but, was trying to give the benefit of the doubt.
dudeofqueen
Found this at the bottom of a drawer yesterday:
2nd January 2010
URGENT MEMO
From: Mary Austin
To: Reuters
I, Mary Austin, do declare that I have knowledge of the death of Jim Hutton.
Signed: M Austin
End
ps - thank Christ for that; now I can lay claim to the whole fucking lot.
2nd January 2010
URGENT MEMO
From: Mary Austin
To: Reuters
I, Mary Austin, do declare that I have knowledge of the death of Jim Hutton.
Signed: M Austin
End
ps - thank Christ for that; now I can lay claim to the whole fucking lot.
FunLovinCriminal
That is the ForFreddie I fell in love with.
ForFreddie
dudeofqueen.... that was the way my gut was telling me, was right..... whether or not that letter is legitimate.... I keep coming back to that, my very first assessment.
ForFreddie
FunLovinCriminal....awww, shucks...
FunLovinCriminal
ForFreddie: Wanna come over to the Dave Clar-thread? I need your support!