Sebastian
There's no way to know how many people certain artist's influenced, but there are ways to know if certain guitarist is better than another. Those are two completely different cases.
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Matias Merçeauroix
John Petrucci is an INSANELY AMAZING guitar player. The only thing I see in him as a thing that could use a little more practice is that his phrasing is not as good as his more technical side. Which doesn't mean his phrasing is not good, at all.
His phrasing is GRRRRRRRRRRREAT but somewhat weak compared to other sides of his playing... which means it could be better, of course.
But I think he is not ONE OF A KIND. He certainly is one of the best rock players... but I always thought he kind of falls into a stereotype sometimes. The way he plays, the techniques he uses and all. Kinda clichè, sometimes.
On the other hand, Brian May's 74-76 era is, IMO, one of a kind. No doubt about it.
Actually, I'd take me much longer to explain myself.
His phrasing is GRRRRRRRRRRREAT but somewhat weak compared to other sides of his playing... which means it could be better, of course.
But I think he is not ONE OF A KIND. He certainly is one of the best rock players... but I always thought he kind of falls into a stereotype sometimes. The way he plays, the techniques he uses and all. Kinda clichè, sometimes.
On the other hand, Brian May's 74-76 era is, IMO, one of a kind. No doubt about it.
Actually, I'd take me much longer to explain myself.
john bodega
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Actually, I'd take me much longer to explain myself.
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I think it's pretty easy to sum up with two words.
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[b]Funky Horsie wrote:[/b]
Actually, I'd take me much longer to explain myself.
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I think it's pretty easy to sum up with two words.
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Unblinking Eye
This thread is extremely funny and enjoyable!! It has really cheered me up!! Danke peoples, Danke!!
[b]On Green Day vs Queen:[/b]
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[b]On John Petrucci vs Brian May:[/b]
John is technically a better guitar player. Notice the word [b]technically[/b]. That does not necessarily mean that you like him more than you do Brian May, it just means that he has the technicalities down better. Please. People. When somebody states that someone is technically better than another, and a person comes back saying that they don't like them as much, check your dictionary meanings please. They, in my opinion, are both amazing. As they are also very different styles, it is hard to compare, but I think I'll pass on Bri's 20 minutes solos thanks. They both write amazing songs, based on various experiences that they have had. It is hard for me to compare. Definition of better: of superior quality or excellence. Notice the definition is not whether you enjoy it better or not. Oh and the fact that taste is taste also does not need backing up, whether someone likes another musician better than another one. Let me put a hypothetical to you. Someone says that arabians are gorgeous and thoroughbreds are disgusting. That is untrue technically, but that person thinks that, and that is their opinion, but it is not necessarily the truth, but it is the truth for them. (By the way, I love both arabs and thoroughbreds. I own one of each breed.) So, just because John is better technically than Bri, doesn't mean you have to enjoy his playing. I personally know that John is better technically, but I enjoy them as much as the other. I can't choose which one I like better.
[b]On Green Day vs Queen:[/b]
Please?
[b]On John Petrucci vs Brian May:[/b]
John is technically a better guitar player. Notice the word [b]technically[/b]. That does not necessarily mean that you like him more than you do Brian May, it just means that he has the technicalities down better. Please. People. When somebody states that someone is technically better than another, and a person comes back saying that they don't like them as much, check your dictionary meanings please. They, in my opinion, are both amazing. As they are also very different styles, it is hard to compare, but I think I'll pass on Bri's 20 minutes solos thanks. They both write amazing songs, based on various experiences that they have had. It is hard for me to compare. Definition of better: of superior quality or excellence. Notice the definition is not whether you enjoy it better or not. Oh and the fact that taste is taste also does not need backing up, whether someone likes another musician better than another one. Let me put a hypothetical to you. Someone says that arabians are gorgeous and thoroughbreds are disgusting. That is untrue technically, but that person thinks that, and that is their opinion, but it is not necessarily the truth, but it is the truth for them. (By the way, I love both arabs and thoroughbreds. I own one of each breed.) So, just because John is better technically than Bri, doesn't mean you have to enjoy his playing. I personally know that John is better technically, but I enjoy them as much as the other. I can't choose which one I like better.
Soundfreak
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In your opinion, which is based on your criteria. But it's not more valid than anyone else's. If you think otherwise, then it's you with the God complex, not us.
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...it's YOU taking the high God-like position to rate people and their abilities and personalities - not me..;-) .
[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
In your opinion, which is based on your criteria. But it's not more valid than anyone else's. If you think otherwise, then it's you with the God complex, not us.
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...it's YOU taking the high God-like position to rate people and their abilities and personalities - not me..;-) .
Sebastian
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[b]Soundfreak wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
In your opinion, which is based on your criteria. But it's not more valid than anyone else's. If you think otherwise, then it's you with the God complex, not us.
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...it's YOU taking the high God-like position to rate people and their abilities and personalities - not me..;-) .
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Rating a person's abilities is not taking a God-like position.
Deeming a thread 'pointless' or 'boring' because you think it's pointless or boring is taking a God-like position.
Therefore, it is you who's got the God complex, not any of us.
And again, if you don't care about this discussions, why are you still reading? Maybe you do care and you're not able to accept it.
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
In your opinion, which is based on your criteria. But it's not more valid than anyone else's. If you think otherwise, then it's you with the God complex, not us.
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...it's YOU taking the high God-like position to rate people and their abilities and personalities - not me..;-) .
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Rating a person's abilities is not taking a God-like position.
Deeming a thread 'pointless' or 'boring' because you think it's pointless or boring is taking a God-like position.
Therefore, it is you who's got the God complex, not any of us.
And again, if you don't care about this discussions, why are you still reading? Maybe you do care and you're not able to accept it.
mike hunt
Who's more original?....brian may..Who's had the bigger Influence....Brian may.......Every member Of queen are more original than DT.
Matias Merçeauroix
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Who's more original?....brian may..Who's had the bigger Influence....Brian may.......Every member Of queen are more original than DT.[/QUOTE]
But Queen is a 40 year old band, its influence can never be the same as Dream Theater's, a much newer band. I don't think influence can count as a musical quality parameter, at all.
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Who's more original?....brian may..Who's had the bigger Influence....Brian may.......Every member Of queen are more original than DT.[/QUOTE]
But Queen is a 40 year old band, its influence can never be the same as Dream Theater's, a much newer band. I don't think influence can count as a musical quality parameter, at all.
Sebastian
Influence and prestige have a lot to do with how old the act or piece is. When 'Innuendo' came out people there were people who thought of it as 'good, but it's not a classic as "II" or "Opera".' Now, it is ranked there for some, as it's almost 20 years old.
Maybe, fifty years from now, people will look back to DT and Queen and see them as part of the same era, even if now we look at them as being completely different.
I suppose that back in early 1600s, loads of people must have told Shakespeare: 'Hey Will, that play about the Danish prince is fine but it'll never be as famous as Aeschylus' Agamemnon.'
Maybe, fifty years from now, people will look back to DT and Queen and see them as part of the same era, even if now we look at them as being completely different.
I suppose that back in early 1600s, loads of people must have told Shakespeare: 'Hey Will, that play about the Danish prince is fine but it'll never be as famous as Aeschylus' Agamemnon.'
mike hunt
It doesn't take a genious to realize DT isn't on the level of queen as far as originality. DT are more complex than queen doesn't make them better....if that was the case DT would be light years better than the beatles. for me the most important thing in music is being original. Queen were among the best in doing that. That's why all these great players will never be what hendrix was unless they create new sounds the way he did........Brian did that, he has his own sound and style of playing.... I still never heard a guitar player sound like a brian may, or a singer who could pull off a freddie. In turn, These more complex bands like rush (who i love) and DT (who I don't love) are easier to pull off. From what I'v heard.
mike hunt
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[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]
Who's more original?....brian may..Who's had the bigger Influence....Brian may.......Every member Of queen are more original than DT.
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But Queen is a 40 year old band, its influence can never be the same as Dream Theater's, a much newer band. I don't think influence can count as a musical quality parameter, at all.
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true, but do you realize DT are almost 20 years old. Not a new band at all. queen's influence grows by the day. DT's hasn't.....maybe Influence doesn't count as a musical parameter, but originality does. I don't care how amazing the players are....If you're not original or creative (Hendrix, freddie and brian) it means nothing. Some other bands DT can't compete with?...the who, Zeppelin, floyd among others. Not original enough to compete with the greats.
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Who's more original?....brian may..Who's had the bigger Influence....Brian may.......Every member Of queen are more original than DT.
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But Queen is a 40 year old band, its influence can never be the same as Dream Theater's, a much newer band. I don't think influence can count as a musical quality parameter, at all.
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true, but do you realize DT are almost 20 years old. Not a new band at all. queen's influence grows by the day. DT's hasn't.....maybe Influence doesn't count as a musical parameter, but originality does. I don't care how amazing the players are....If you're not original or creative (Hendrix, freddie and brian) it means nothing. Some other bands DT can't compete with?...the who, Zeppelin, floyd among others. Not original enough to compete with the greats.
The Real Wizard
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queen's influence grows by the day. DT's hasn't
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I very strongly disagree. There is a huge and growing genre of progressive metal, and virtually every one of those bands will cite Dream Theater as an influence.
DT are basically today's Yes. The only difference is, progressive music was mainstream in the 70s, while it's barely visible today.
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I disagree with that too. Jordan Rudess has contributed far more to the evolution of music than John Deacon or Roger Taylor. Sure, they wrote great hit songs, but Rudess has more or less written the book on the modern keyboard, influencing musicians all around the world to take the instrument into new directions. Let's not forget that Dream Theater are popular in North America, South America, Europe, Japan, and Australia. How many bands in the existence of popular music can say they've accomplished the same? Rudess is an absolute master of his craft, and he is leaving behind a huge legacy with much more to come.
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queen's influence grows by the day. DT's hasn't
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I very strongly disagree. There is a huge and growing genre of progressive metal, and virtually every one of those bands will cite Dream Theater as an influence.
DT are basically today's Yes. The only difference is, progressive music was mainstream in the 70s, while it's barely visible today.
[QUOTE]Every member Of queen are more original than DT.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with that too. Jordan Rudess has contributed far more to the evolution of music than John Deacon or Roger Taylor. Sure, they wrote great hit songs, but Rudess has more or less written the book on the modern keyboard, influencing musicians all around the world to take the instrument into new directions. Let's not forget that Dream Theater are popular in North America, South America, Europe, Japan, and Australia. How many bands in the existence of popular music can say they've accomplished the same? Rudess is an absolute master of his craft, and he is leaving behind a huge legacy with much more to come.
Sebastian
The Who, Floyd, Queen and Zeppelin were formed 40+ years ago. Read the Shakespeare point again.
mike hunt
I guess only time will tell then...DT is one of those bands I could never get in to. I like yes, love rush and other progressive bands. DT leaves me flat, It's the singer i don't like..........Sounds like the helloween guy from the 80's...... the band does seem to have a large following though.
Sebastian
I'm not into progressive rock, and I'm not the kind of person who'd buy DT's records, and as a matter of fact I haven't. Never gone to their gigs either.
But I do respect their musical skills, of course.
But I do respect their musical skills, of course.