Green Day: The 21st Century Queen?

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[b][i]Anything can be measured[/i][/b] in a way that's more [b][i]useful[/i][/b] that if  you didn't measure it at all.
Key word: "useful". If it serves your purpose, you can use it.

If you prefer to disregard all that you say that can't be measured "objectively" to come up with a "definitive answer", then that's your choice (and a very practical one), but I'm sure you know that by selectively considering or ignoring factors to come up with a "definitive answer" you inevitable end with a subjective assessment, more like an opinion (a.k.a. "a Treasure Moment Fact").

I guess the "definive answer" bit depends on the Question asked.

If the question is "Which president generated more jobs in my country?" the answer is very straightforward. Just check the statistics (which were recorded by someone else, years ago) and answer right away.

If the question is "Who was the BEST president in my country?", I'm guessing you won't get too much consensus there.
In the end, people will agree and disagree with you.

It's all about opinion. If I were and object, I'd be objective, but I'm a subject (a person).

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If the question is "Which president generated more jobs in my country?" the answer is very straightforward. 





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That would be Bill Clinton.  Oh, I'm sorry.  I thought you wrote blow jobs.  [img=/images/smiley/msn/tounge_smile.gif][/img]

One sprinter is better than the other because he gets to the finish line first, and that is the purpose of sprinting in the first place.  If it weren't, then they would give the medal to the guy who pulled the most intense face while doing it, or the one who displayed the best form.  That's how you rank athletes when you want to decide who wins - first past the post, right??
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[/QUOTE]Music isn't like that.  Each and every listener has their own idea of what is more important - I've been throwing the 'criteria' word around a lot but even so, people using the same facts and figures could come up with different results.  Especially when dealing with a transient and non-existent thing like "better".[/QUOTE]

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listen to the classics... Pull Me Under and Under a Glass Moon are their two best known tracks... 
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I need to hear the latter in it's entirety, because there's a video where he just does the solo and it's .... meh.  But I often feel that way about guitar solos that aren't in their song.  They always sound less impressive that way.  

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i would have to agree on this. Queen & Green Day are two of the most important bands in my life, and i can see the simultaneity in what you've said. Both bands have changed with the times and i think of lot of fans were/are hoping for the same stuff every album i.e. every Queen album going to have a "We Will Rock You", or a "Bohemian Rhapsody" and every Green Day album going to be "Dookie".

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[b]Jimmy Dean wrote: [/b]

Agreed with Mike Hunt... Queen's songwriting abilities surpass most bands... they easily rank with the Beatles, Bowie, Elton John & Bernie Taupin, and a few others who don't come to mind right now
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I think that Queen are song-writing geniuses, especially Freddie. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; IMO Freddie was one of the absolute greatest song-writers of all time.

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[b]Amazon wrote: [/b]

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[b]Jimmy Dean wrote: [/b]



Agreed with Mike Hunt... Queen's songwriting abilities surpass most bands... they easily rank with the Beatles, Bowie, Elton John & Bernie Taupin, and a few others who don't come to mind right now

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I think that Queen are song-writing geniuses, especially Freddie. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; IMO Freddie was one of the absolute greatest song-writers of all time.





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Agreed 100%....i'm surprised he doesn't get mentioned more often as the Innovator songwriter he was.   One of the best of his time, or any time for that matter.

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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]

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[b]Jimmy Dean wrote: [/b]



I don't understand why people are disagreeing that Petrucci is better than May.





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Technically speaking, I never disagreed on that score.



What I want is a clear and agreed-upon definition of what 'better' is.
 I just watched this video and it sounds like crap.  If he's better than Brian, then I  want to know what the idea of 'better' really is around here.

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You do realize he's explaining a technique, right?







Brian May is an incredible player. Or was, at least. People don't seem to get that.

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[b]Jimmy Dean wrote: [/b]



To Wiley... greatest post in this thread!... I enjoyed that thorough explanation.

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I'll second that.

Zebonka... grab Images And Words by Dream Theater.  While some later material may be more epic and ethereal, Images is definitely DT focusing purely on songwriting.  They use their technical ability purely for the song, and it's as close to songwriting perfection as any other major rock band, as far as I'm concerned.

I'll have to give it a listen!

Petrucci's solo from Another Day is PERFECT.

PERFECT.


You can't change or add anything, it's perfect as it is.