Sebastian
So there you have it: he's jealous about not having the best tape (or cassette, or whatever it is).
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thomasquinn 32989
John S Stuart wrote: It is all academic now, but, considering the buyer paid less than a 'Bo Rhap blue vinyl', I don't think it was that bad a deal for what it was - which was a copy of the De Lane Lea demos.
Also, considering the profits he made from his CD bootlegs - he actually made money on the deal - which in effect means at the end of the day, he got his tape for free. So I think he came off OK.
Now, when I talk about GB's interference, I don't mean a few days, or a few weeks later. This was years afterwards when I told him I retained the best copy - it was then he cried 'foul!', and it was then I thought - what had this to do with him anyhow?
I personally believe it is this 'Copy' tape which is in the archives - but I may be wrong - and that is what is at the core.
I think Sebastian's got a point. He probably thinks you and the whole trading community should consistently trade their best, lowest generation material so that he can get his hands on it without any effort and have his supernatural hold on the masses of fans with trinkets from the archives. And here, in this case, he's sour about you having acquired the better items, as apparently (from his own ranting) you have in a multitude of cases.
Also, considering the profits he made from his CD bootlegs - he actually made money on the deal - which in effect means at the end of the day, he got his tape for free. So I think he came off OK.
Now, when I talk about GB's interference, I don't mean a few days, or a few weeks later. This was years afterwards when I told him I retained the best copy - it was then he cried 'foul!', and it was then I thought - what had this to do with him anyhow?
I personally believe it is this 'Copy' tape which is in the archives - but I may be wrong - and that is what is at the core.
I think Sebastian's got a point. He probably thinks you and the whole trading community should consistently trade their best, lowest generation material so that he can get his hands on it without any effort and have his supernatural hold on the masses of fans with trinkets from the archives. And here, in this case, he's sour about you having acquired the better items, as apparently (from his own ranting) you have in a multitude of cases.
Adam Baboolal
He's jealous? Is that really how you think, TQ? Maybe he thinks that such an item should be part of the band's archive rather than a private collector having the best copy for their own pleasure. You see why I don't like all this copy this and good/bad versions floating about. It just creates this weird subterfuge amongst people and can create bad vibes. It's very strange behaviour if you ask me.
It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive. There's something incredibly noble about what they do.
Adam.
It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive. There's something incredibly noble about what they do.
Adam.
John S Stuart
Why should I not have the best copy in a private collection?
I paid for after all - not QPL. It's not as if I stole anything.
What excatly was the last donation by a Doctor Who fan?
I paid for after all - not QPL. It's not as if I stole anything.
What excatly was the last donation by a Doctor Who fan?
Adam Baboolal
I never argued that you shouldn't because, you can. You paid for it. But I'm getting at the idea of it. Look at this thread you created about this one thing. I'm glad cause you brought attention to it, actually.
As for the last thing given to the Dr Who archive, I'm not privy to that info. Anyone here that is? Again, it was simply a point about giving something back to the show (or artist). That's all. I was just citing them (the fans) as an inspirational lot.
Don't feel like I'm saying you're bad, I'm not. It just breaks my heart when I see these kind of items kept for personal collections. I have this belief that with something historical like this, I'd give it the best home for all to see. Money be damned, I want people to be happy. And not left bitching about this track being kept or that track sounding worse than this person's track, etc. etc. I'll never forget Wiley (I think that's right), who first uploaded an mp3 copy of the rare Let Me Live track pressing where the backing vocals were intact. And when asked for a flac version, he uploaded a flac version! Now, THAT was inspirational! Before he came and did that, the best copy I'd heard was a slightly hissy but grungy sounding version.
I guess I'm just getting sick of that world around Queen. QZ seems to bring about more free trade which, can be enjoyed by all. But when I hear about things intentionally hoarded away somewhere while the lesser versions are put back out there? It's just depressing. It reminds me of an article where it touched on how much fine art we'll never see because it's in someone's personal collection. I know that's not the same thing because we get to hear something of the De Lane Lea demos, but maybe it's like putting up a dirty window in front of a picture. The view is not quite the same. I wish the Queen trade community would be more open and friendly towards the everyday Queen fan. How about someone giving us 1 free rare track a year?
Adam.
As for the last thing given to the Dr Who archive, I'm not privy to that info. Anyone here that is? Again, it was simply a point about giving something back to the show (or artist). That's all. I was just citing them (the fans) as an inspirational lot.
Don't feel like I'm saying you're bad, I'm not. It just breaks my heart when I see these kind of items kept for personal collections. I have this belief that with something historical like this, I'd give it the best home for all to see. Money be damned, I want people to be happy. And not left bitching about this track being kept or that track sounding worse than this person's track, etc. etc. I'll never forget Wiley (I think that's right), who first uploaded an mp3 copy of the rare Let Me Live track pressing where the backing vocals were intact. And when asked for a flac version, he uploaded a flac version! Now, THAT was inspirational! Before he came and did that, the best copy I'd heard was a slightly hissy but grungy sounding version.
I guess I'm just getting sick of that world around Queen. QZ seems to bring about more free trade which, can be enjoyed by all. But when I hear about things intentionally hoarded away somewhere while the lesser versions are put back out there? It's just depressing. It reminds me of an article where it touched on how much fine art we'll never see because it's in someone's personal collection. I know that's not the same thing because we get to hear something of the De Lane Lea demos, but maybe it's like putting up a dirty window in front of a picture. The view is not quite the same. I wish the Queen trade community would be more open and friendly towards the everyday Queen fan. How about someone giving us 1 free rare track a year?
Adam.
Sebastian
I can't speak for John (or anybody else for that matter), but I think QP and the disrespectful archivist are the ones to blame here, not the collectors: if GB were a good bloke who didn't come to QZ to rant and insult, if QP were interested in releasing priceless material (instead of the same old Greatest Hits over and over), if GB/QP were kind enough not to lose John's tape in the (in)famous incident around a decade ago (CIIW), if GB were interested in helping out other people (without necessarily having to breach his contract or spoil upcoming [as in next year, not as in the second coming] releases) rather than expecting others to do (the hard part of) his job, if... if... if.. then I suppose people would have absolutely no problem in throwing everything to the pool and let everybody benefit from it.
But things are very different.
But things are very different.
people on streets
Benn Kempster wrote: I guess it all depends upon what was being offered, what was accepted as offered and what was received.
If the buyer had been under the impression that they were to received MASTERS, then the only way of resolving any issue is to try to find reference to MASTERS or if sale of MASTERS was aluded to in any way whatsoever in any communication between you. If they weren't, then it's potentially a language issue (trading with non-English speakers) or nothing more than jealous and greed.
Sounds to me like the RW cried to GB after the event more out of jealousy than anything else in terms of the buyer wanting MASTERS and not getting them atthe budget price he had in mind. GB's a slimy little bastard who has some questionable links with various Europeans who believe being "in" with him will open the floodgates for them through trading with him.
When I used to trade Who tapes across the US, I came up against a number of people who said that they had something and then, what arrived after receiving what they EXPECTED from me, simply lied. No money changed hands in that respect, but it's kind of illustrative of the mentality of some people and how deeply they CRAVE and WANT simply for the sake of it as opposed to maintaining any kind of personal standards in such things.
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100% agreed. We're on the same level I guess.
If the buyer had been under the impression that they were to received MASTERS, then the only way of resolving any issue is to try to find reference to MASTERS or if sale of MASTERS was aluded to in any way whatsoever in any communication between you. If they weren't, then it's potentially a language issue (trading with non-English speakers) or nothing more than jealous and greed.
Sounds to me like the RW cried to GB after the event more out of jealousy than anything else in terms of the buyer wanting MASTERS and not getting them atthe budget price he had in mind. GB's a slimy little bastard who has some questionable links with various Europeans who believe being "in" with him will open the floodgates for them through trading with him.
When I used to trade Who tapes across the US, I came up against a number of people who said that they had something and then, what arrived after receiving what they EXPECTED from me, simply lied. No money changed hands in that respect, but it's kind of illustrative of the mentality of some people and how deeply they CRAVE and WANT simply for the sake of it as opposed to maintaining any kind of personal standards in such things.
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100% agreed. We're on the same level I guess.
people on streets
And by the way...
^&%*(( This forum!
The quoting / replying functions don't work. Again!
^&%*(( This forum!
The quoting / replying functions don't work. Again!
Wiley
Adam Baboolal wrote: I'll never forget Wiley (I think that's right), who first uploaded an mp3 copy of the rare Let Me Live track pressing where the backing vocals were intact. And when asked for a flac version, he uploaded a flac version! Now, THAT was inspirational! Before he came and did that, the best copy I'd heard was a slightly hissy but grungy sounding version.
It was me indeed, Adam. I'm surprised anybody remembers that! hehe :)
I actually felt great that I could share something with the rest of the fans at that time. I had downloaded so many FREE rare tracks and full concerts in lossless audio by that time... a couple of fans actually gave me some rare-ish concerts and 7" singles without asking for anything in return.
It was considered to be unique (at least on CD quality) at that time and many people didn't believe I had it until I shared it on mp3. I didn't share it on FLAC at first because I don't think the format even existed or was widely known at the time. Years later someone (I believe it was YourValentine) asked if I could share it said format and I did.
I'm no Mother Theresa, though... I kept the CD! :D
By the way, has anybody seen one of those on eBay or somewhere else? Any idea how much it's worth?
It was me indeed, Adam. I'm surprised anybody remembers that! hehe :)
I actually felt great that I could share something with the rest of the fans at that time. I had downloaded so many FREE rare tracks and full concerts in lossless audio by that time... a couple of fans actually gave me some rare-ish concerts and 7" singles without asking for anything in return.
It was considered to be unique (at least on CD quality) at that time and many people didn't believe I had it until I shared it on mp3. I didn't share it on FLAC at first because I don't think the format even existed or was widely known at the time. Years later someone (I believe it was YourValentine) asked if I could share it said format and I did.
I'm no Mother Theresa, though... I kept the CD! :D
By the way, has anybody seen one of those on eBay or somewhere else? Any idea how much it's worth?
Benn Kempster
Adam, re:
>>It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who
willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive.
Absolute bloody nonsense to compare the two - the BBC are MORE than happy to release whatever Dr Who material they discover. QPL release fuck all of any interst to anyone despite having this supposed "archive". I'd much prefer something to become available to all through the kindness and generosity of a fan who has gone to the time and effort of keeping something of TRUE worth safe as opposed to something being donated to the "official archive" only to then disappear without trace.
After all, if they cared about the material in the first place, it wouldn't have escaped to the fan in the first place.
>>It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who
willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive.
Absolute bloody nonsense to compare the two - the BBC are MORE than happy to release whatever Dr Who material they discover. QPL release fuck all of any interst to anyone despite having this supposed "archive". I'd much prefer something to become available to all through the kindness and generosity of a fan who has gone to the time and effort of keeping something of TRUE worth safe as opposed to something being donated to the "official archive" only to then disappear without trace.
After all, if they cared about the material in the first place, it wouldn't have escaped to the fan in the first place.
pittrek
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn Kempster wrote:[/QUOTENAME] Adam, re:
>>It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who
willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive.
Absolute bloody nonsense to compare the two - the BBC are MORE than happy to release whatever Dr Who material they discover. QPL release fuck all of any interst to anyone despite having this supposed "archive". I'd much prefer something to become available to all through the kindness and generosity of a fan who has gone to the time and effort of keeping something of TRUE worth safe as opposed to something being donated to the "official archive" only to then disappear without trace.
After all, if they cared about the material in the first place, it wouldn't have escaped to the fan in the first place. [/QUOTE]
Does anybody know what happened to the Marquee tape ? I keep reading rumours that an audience recording was sold to the archives but GB claimed he never heard (about ) it. Was it lost ? Did it actually exist ?
>>It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who
willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive.
Absolute bloody nonsense to compare the two - the BBC are MORE than happy to release whatever Dr Who material they discover. QPL release fuck all of any interst to anyone despite having this supposed "archive". I'd much prefer something to become available to all through the kindness and generosity of a fan who has gone to the time and effort of keeping something of TRUE worth safe as opposed to something being donated to the "official archive" only to then disappear without trace.
After all, if they cared about the material in the first place, it wouldn't have escaped to the fan in the first place. [/QUOTE]
Does anybody know what happened to the Marquee tape ? I keep reading rumours that an audience recording was sold to the archives but GB claimed he never heard (about ) it. Was it lost ? Did it actually exist ?
thomasquinn 32989
Adam Baboolal wrote: He's jealous? Is that really how you think, TQ? Maybe he thinks that such an item should be part of the band's archive rather than a private collector having the best copy for their own pleasure. You see why I don't like all this copy this and good/bad versions floating about. It just creates this weird subterfuge amongst people and can create bad vibes. It's very strange behaviour if you ask me.
It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive. There's something incredibly noble about what they do.
Adam.
Queen fans have no reason to contribute anything to QP, because they have consistently demonstrated bad faith. How many contributions of material have vanished without a trace into the archives, never to surface again until Montreal has been re-released at least 40x?
It is not just the fans, but largely the business machine behind it, that create this atmosphere. I for one find the hostility towards Greg and QP completely legitimate. I personally would not be willing to deal with them under any circumstance, simply because you can't rely on their actually doing something for the fans with the material you provide them with.
It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive. There's something incredibly noble about what they do.
Adam.
Queen fans have no reason to contribute anything to QP, because they have consistently demonstrated bad faith. How many contributions of material have vanished without a trace into the archives, never to surface again until Montreal has been re-released at least 40x?
It is not just the fans, but largely the business machine behind it, that create this atmosphere. I for one find the hostility towards Greg and QP completely legitimate. I personally would not be willing to deal with them under any circumstance, simply because you can't rely on their actually doing something for the fans with the material you provide them with.
Benn Kempster
Pittrek, re:
>Does anybody know what happened to the Marquee tape ? I keep reading
rumours that an audience recording was sold to the archives but
Last I saw (unless I'm mixing this up with another Queen recording) was that it had been auctioned along with some other period memorabilia - and I think tat was in a Record Collector "News" article........to whom it went, I have no idea, but I' believe it was, again, a private collector.
>GB claimed he never heard (about ) it.
it's his typical denial stance when something appears that he'd just LOVE to get his hands on but hasn't the nous, money or backing to get hold of it. Just as with "Hangman" - "No, Queen never recorded it", when, in fact, we know it exists.
He's kinda like the three see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil monkeys in terrestrial form.
>Does anybody know what happened to the Marquee tape ? I keep reading
rumours that an audience recording was sold to the archives but
Last I saw (unless I'm mixing this up with another Queen recording) was that it had been auctioned along with some other period memorabilia - and I think tat was in a Record Collector "News" article........to whom it went, I have no idea, but I' believe it was, again, a private collector.
>GB claimed he never heard (about ) it.
it's his typical denial stance when something appears that he'd just LOVE to get his hands on but hasn't the nous, money or backing to get hold of it. Just as with "Hangman" - "No, Queen never recorded it", when, in fact, we know it exists.
He's kinda like the three see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil monkeys in terrestrial form.
pittrek
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn Kempster wrote:[/QUOTENAME] Pittrek, re:
>Does anybody know what happened to the Marquee tape ? I keep reading
rumours that an audience recording was sold to the archives but
Last I saw (unless I'm mixing this up with another Queen recording) was that it had been auctioned along with some other period memorabilia - and I think tat was in a Record Collector "News" article........to whom it went, I have no idea, but I' believe it was, again, a private collector.
>GB claimed he never heard (about ) it.
it's his typical denial stance when something appears that he'd just LOVE to get his hands on but hasn't the nous, money or backing to get hold of it. Just as with "Hangman" - "No, Queen never recorded it", when, in fact, we know it exists.
He's kinda like the three see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil monkeys in terrestrial form. [/QUOTE]
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1027435/the-queen-live-archive-list-finally-sorry-for-the-delay.aspx?page=3
[QUOTE]Posted: 03 Aug 07, 08:43
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr Scully...[/QUOTENAME]Of course you DO have Marquee 1972. You (Queen Productions) have bought it from Richard Thompson for £2,800 back in 1996 or so...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]GB: [/QUOTENAME]I can assure you this is NOT in our archive. I will look into it further. Believe me I would remember if I'd heard this. I'll make some enquiries.[/QUOTE]
>Does anybody know what happened to the Marquee tape ? I keep reading
rumours that an audience recording was sold to the archives but
Last I saw (unless I'm mixing this up with another Queen recording) was that it had been auctioned along with some other period memorabilia - and I think tat was in a Record Collector "News" article........to whom it went, I have no idea, but I' believe it was, again, a private collector.
>GB claimed he never heard (about ) it.
it's his typical denial stance when something appears that he'd just LOVE to get his hands on but hasn't the nous, money or backing to get hold of it. Just as with "Hangman" - "No, Queen never recorded it", when, in fact, we know it exists.
He's kinda like the three see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil monkeys in terrestrial form. [/QUOTE]
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1027435/the-queen-live-archive-list-finally-sorry-for-the-delay.aspx?page=3
[QUOTE]Posted: 03 Aug 07, 08:43
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr Scully...[/QUOTENAME]Of course you DO have Marquee 1972. You (Queen Productions) have bought it from Richard Thompson for £2,800 back in 1996 or so...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]GB: [/QUOTENAME]I can assure you this is NOT in our archive. I will look into it further. Believe me I would remember if I'd heard this. I'll make some enquiries.[/QUOTE]
cmsdrums
pittrek wrote:
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1027435/the-queen-live-archive-list-finally-sorry-for-the-delay.aspx?page=3
Posted: 03 Aug 07, 08:43
Mr Scully... Of course you DO have Marquee 1972. You (Queen Productions) have bought it from Richard Thompson for £2,800 back in 1996 or so...
GB: I can assure you this is NOT in our archive. I will look into it further. Believe me I would remember if I'd heard this. I'll make some enquiries.
I love GB saying ''ll make some enquiries". Ehem - he's the bloody archivist i.e. he's the one other people are supposed to go to with their queries about what's in the archive!!!
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1027435/the-queen-live-archive-list-finally-sorry-for-the-delay.aspx?page=3
Posted: 03 Aug 07, 08:43
Mr Scully... Of course you DO have Marquee 1972. You (Queen Productions) have bought it from Richard Thompson for £2,800 back in 1996 or so...
GB: I can assure you this is NOT in our archive. I will look into it further. Believe me I would remember if I'd heard this. I'll make some enquiries.
I love GB saying ''ll make some enquiries". Ehem - he's the bloody archivist i.e. he's the one other people are supposed to go to with their queries about what's in the archive!!!