No, CMS. He is a guest in the archives. If he wants to do anything, he must go through the correct channels to access the same material whenever neccesary. Did you think he had a key to a locked room?! lol Why would he lie about something in the band's official archives? The only reason I can come up with would be a deliberate move by either the band or management to deny the existence of something. Although, the 'why' question would be relevant to that kind of action!
Adam.
Sebastian · Member since
Adam: If so, then why is he calling himself 'Queen Archivist'? Is he lying about his job? I'm honestly asking since I've got no idea.
Benn Kempster · Member since
Adam, re:
>>Why would he lie about something in the band's official archives?
Because everything he's ever said or done HERE is self-serving. Would you expect a DIFFERENT response from him given that this is EXACTLY the kind of material QPL, presumably, are gutted that they don't have? Look at their lack of attention to detail and lack of care over the transfer of ALBUM MASTERS to HR. He probably denies that anything ever went missing in that regard although Brian has gone on record with it.
>>The only reason I can come up with would be a deliberate move by either the band or management to deny the existence of something. Although, the 'why' question would be relevant to that kind of action!
See above. It's classic a denial response that any amateur psychoanalyst would be able to pick up on in a second. Because of their embarassment and / or jealousy that this stuff DOES exist outside of "where it should be", they / he simply deny it's existance.
Cheers,
Benn Kempster
Micrówave · Member since
I would take a different approach, John.
The next time Greg calls foul, threaten to upload the master tape tracks for all to have unless they start releasing the good stuff (and paying you a 'master-tape' price). I'm sure the price agreed upon for your copy tape was a fair price reflecting what it was.
That's assuming that anybody even cares about these tracks anymore. I'm sure the line would NOT wrap around the block. My kids have no interest in these tracks, and I'm closer to willing my collection to them than Queen is releasing this stuff.
brians wig · Member since
Adam Baboolal wrote:
It's at times like these I thank god for people like the Dr Who fans who willingly give anything and everything towards the Dr Who archive. There's something incredibly noble about what they do.
Adam.
The only downside of that is the BBC only then put a part of this material on the DVDs... How I hope they re-release all the Dr Who's on BluRay discs simply to make use of the extra space and give the highest bitrate possible and put complete versions of studio recordings and TV interviews.
The worst thing is when you send them something they haven't got (because they'd publically requested it) along with DVD copies of all your other Dr Who related recordings (interviews, trailers etc) with a letter explaining you have the original VHS copies of these clips and they are more than welcome to borrow them, and you get a nice letter back saying thanks very much and then a year later you see stuff pulled from VHS that's worse quality than what you sent them! Wankers.
Adam Baboolal · Member since
**Sebastian wrote: Adam: If so, then why is he calling himself 'Queen Archivist'? Is he lying about his job? I'm honestly asking since I've got no idea.**
You seem to be under the impression that because someone is the archivist of a famous band, that this makes them special. Remove that tag and you'll find it's just a normal human being doing a job. The only difference is the security that the band and management want. Hence why he can't waltz in and do as he pleases. You'd have to arrange visits and book time ahead to keep track of comings and goings. It's common sense, isn't it?
@Benn Kempster 1.With regards to the QArchivist person. I take anything mentioned with a big pinch of salt. I don't know who that is. Is there hard evidence to say it's actually the archivist for Queen? If so, I'll pay more attention. But tbh, I can't invest myself in something that could very well be a hoax. 2. You're asking me to believe that because of alleged embarassment they wouldn't acknowledge that their property was stolen? Really? Sounds a bit fishy that idea. I don't buy that for a second. If that was the case, since Brian openly posted about it on his website, don't you think that would embarass and maybe unsettle the management? So much so, that they'd want to leave? Or taking it further, at the time these items were lost, those in charge of those transfers being sent would be penalised and/or fired? I could go further, but won't. 3. Finally, the idea that they'd deny the existence of a song which is part of the band's history is laughable. A pathetic idea in fact. And it really exposes your intentions here. But just for fun, I'll entertain it... If this was the case, why wouldn't they try hushing down their previous band effort as Smile? In recent documentary's they've been more open about things. Even in the channel 4 documentary (I think it was CH4) where Roger speaks about going to Africa during apartheid. They're not shy about their past and they're intelligent enough to confront good and bad when necessary. So, if there is a recording out there as J.S.Stuart has already said IS out there, then I'm sure Brian and Roger would be interested. Using myself as an example here, I know there are songs of my own that I feel connected to, regardless of quality. And there is a song somewhere out there that I don't have and regardless of it's rubbishness, I'd love to have it again. To hear it and experience something I was a part of. I'm sure it's the same for nearly all musicians.
Adam.
Micrówave · Member since
This does certainly raise a fair question.
What does John (or any collector who has something like this) do with this recording?
(A) Does he invite people over to his house, put on his Queen Robe from the Wembley concert, and play them his rare Queen tape while everyone wears masks, drinks Chardonnay, and eats food cooked by someone who looks a lot like Hannibal Lecter?
(B) Does he rub baking soda all over himself and roll around with the tapes in a private Queen room?
(C) Does it just sit in a glass case with alarms waiting for either Angelina Jolie or Peter Sellers to attempt to steal it?
(D) Did he accidentally use it to record a Bon Jovi live concert and too embarrassed to admit it?
(E) Does he use it in an insurance scam, by saying the tape was lost in a fire and then forced not to let it see the light of day in fear of a fraud charge?
There's no law against selfishness, but with all the technology we have today, isn't there a way to "make a copy" that would sound just as good as the master? He would still own the master. And the few people still interested could enjoy the recordings.
I can't think of any "lost recordings" that have gone on to be released and made millions. The new Jimi CD isn't selling very well.
Benn Kempster · Member since
Adam, re:
>>If that was the case, since Brian openly posted about it on his website, don't you think that would embarass and maybe unsettle the management?
No, Brian only posted to his site that the multi-tracks were missing. He said nothing about why they are missing and / or how they are noe NOT in the band's posession. The less-informed will immediately be left thinking that they were stolen from the band's possession as opposed to the reality that the band's management were responsible for the securit of the transfer of the tapes and that, ultimately, the band's management fucked it up. That post from Brian was carefully crafted to not give the game away.
>>So much so, that they'd want to leave? Or taking it further, at the time these items were lost, those in charge of those transfers being sent would be penalised and/or fired? I could go further, but won't.
Why not? I would imagine that there's some kind of disciplinary process within QPL (actually, clearly, there's not given what we know!) and due dilligence should have been paid. Put it this way, if you were responsible for the safety of the Intellectual Property at your organisation and someone else got hold of it because of YOUR lack of security / attention to detail / stupidity, what would happen? We're talking about masters here, not safety copies of mix-down tapes; masters of which only one set exists and can not be replaced. Pretty valuable stuff to my mind and would have thought there would be consequences for those responsible for their loss.
>>Finally, the idea that they'd deny the existence of a song which is part of the band's history is laughable. A pathetic idea in fact. And it really exposes your intentions here. But just for fun, I'll entertain it...
Didn't Brian himself post something to the effect that he had no recollection of it being recorded?
>>If this was the case, why wouldn't they try hushing down their previous band effort as Smile?
Don't see the relevance here. Smile was a great band with a crap vocalist. I think its a shame they didn't take the re-union a bit further in 1991 - something great could have emerged there.
>>So, if there is a recording out there as J.S.Stuart has already said IS out there, then I'm sure Brian and Roger would be interested.
THEY might be, but good old Jimmy Boy seemingly won't entertain the idea of recovering materuial from certain avenues which may (or may not, depending on how "concerned" you are) cause embarassment from it NOT already being in the band's posession.
Adam Baboolal · Member since
Fair points all round there, Benn. The only part I should comment on is Brian saying he can't remember about that track. Well, tbh, Brian seems to be fairly forgetful these days. Not loads. But at times, it has been shown that he sometimes doesn't quite remember something right or has forgotton about something completely. This is fair enough as it's impossible to remember everything you've recorded or been a part of.
I like the cut of yer jib, sir! Thanks for not turning it into a mud slinging contest like so many on QZ sometimes turn to. Respect to you sir.
Now, this brings about an interesting point. What's the real story of how the multi's were stolen? What concrete proof is there of what went down? Please, no hearsay or guessing.
