GratefulFan
... about the state of musicanship today
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/alice-cooper-listen-to-burt-bacharach/article1570491/
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thomasquinn 32989
He's got a point, though. Too few musicians know how to do their job well.
inu-liger
ThomasQuinn wrote: He's got a point, though. Too few musicians know how to do their job well.
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Another problem he's not directly addressing is that musicians these days, the post-Classic MTV generation, have very unrealistic expectations about a LOT of things, and these American Idol type 'reality' TV shows add to these superficial expectations.
There is no dynamic with a lot of local bands I've also noticed. Here in Edmonton, a lot of scene bands I've noticed are into the types of music that end in 'core': trashcore, deathcore, metalcore, etc. but it to me sounds ALL THE FREAKIN' SAME! It's just dirty grunge music with incomprehensible singing that rather reminds me of the sounds of retching, hence why I call it puke singing music. I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SINGING!
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Another problem he's not directly addressing is that musicians these days, the post-Classic MTV generation, have very unrealistic expectations about a LOT of things, and these American Idol type 'reality' TV shows add to these superficial expectations.
There is no dynamic with a lot of local bands I've also noticed. Here in Edmonton, a lot of scene bands I've noticed are into the types of music that end in 'core': trashcore, deathcore, metalcore, etc. but it to me sounds ALL THE FREAKIN' SAME! It's just dirty grunge music with incomprehensible singing that rather reminds me of the sounds of retching, hence why I call it puke singing music. I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SINGING!
Mr Mercury
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME] inu-liger wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
There is no dynamic with a lot of local bands I've also noticed. Here in Edmonton, a lot of scene bands I've noticed are into the types of music that end in 'core': trashcore, deathcore, metalcore, etc. but it to me sounds ALL THE FREAKIN' SAME! It's just dirty grunge music with incomprehensible singing that rather reminds me of the sounds of retching, hence why I call it puke singing music. I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SINGING!
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And here is the other problem - you are turning into your parents!!!
And I agree with you.....
There is no dynamic with a lot of local bands I've also noticed. Here in Edmonton, a lot of scene bands I've noticed are into the types of music that end in 'core': trashcore, deathcore, metalcore, etc. but it to me sounds ALL THE FREAKIN' SAME! It's just dirty grunge music with incomprehensible singing that rather reminds me of the sounds of retching, hence why I call it puke singing music. I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SINGING!
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And here is the other problem - you are turning into your parents!!!
And I agree with you.....
inu-liger
Mr Mercury wrote: And here is the other problem - you are turning into your parents!!!
And I agree with you.....
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I've always been an old school style musician. Grew up with a mix of good old 80s/90s rock :-)
And I agree with you.....
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I've always been an old school style musician. Grew up with a mix of good old 80s/90s rock :-)
its_a_hard_life 26994
GO ON ALICE!!!!!!!!!
Winter Land Man
Once Alice Cooper and Iggy Pop went to Brian's house to party, but they thought Brian was too weird and strange, so they booked it.
dragon-fly
He's right, what else to say?
It makes me sad that their generation is slowly leaving the scene. Dio- another blow. It's just slowly coming. And we'll be left with really poor replacement.
It makes me sad that their generation is slowly leaving the scene. Dio- another blow. It's just slowly coming. And we'll be left with really poor replacement.
KillerQueen840
Alice is the MAN.
I love him to death and wish more people (perhaps I should say my youthful peers) would realize what a great impact he has had on rock and roll, and starting "shock" rock in general.
I love him to death and wish more people (perhaps I should say my youthful peers) would realize what a great impact he has had on rock and roll, and starting "shock" rock in general.
Micrówave
[QUOTE]Alice says:
But try and find me a young guitar player. They’re very, very hard to find. I go see bands in Los Angles, and when they get to the part of the song where the lead guitarist should take off – the Jeff Beck part – they just play the rhythm right through it. I ask the guy, “why don’t you fill that in?” And they say, “Oh, this is modern rock – we don’t do that.” [/QUOTE]
Well first, it's Los Angeles, since no one seems to proofread articles anymore.
And second, not every song has a "Jeff Beck part". Maybe Alice should go back and listen to Poison and that era and realize he suffered the same problem during part of his career.
Maybe Alice should listen to a band like Green Day. He probably won't, because there's not a "Jeff Beck part" on every song. But the drumming is far better than anything he ever did. The music may not be, but the musicians are.
Maybe Alice should listen to artists like Lady Gaga or Duffy. Sure Duffy's "Mercy" doesn't have a "Jeff Beck part" but it's got some killer Farfisa Organ parts, no Jeff Beck needed.
Maybe Alice should look at Jeff Beck and then himself and realize he sounds like my Mom and Dad back in the 70s and 80s, when there were no good "Les Paul" or "Ricky Nelson" parts.
But try and find me a young guitar player. They’re very, very hard to find. I go see bands in Los Angles, and when they get to the part of the song where the lead guitarist should take off – the Jeff Beck part – they just play the rhythm right through it. I ask the guy, “why don’t you fill that in?” And they say, “Oh, this is modern rock – we don’t do that.” [/QUOTE]
Well first, it's Los Angeles, since no one seems to proofread articles anymore.
And second, not every song has a "Jeff Beck part". Maybe Alice should go back and listen to Poison and that era and realize he suffered the same problem during part of his career.
Maybe Alice should listen to a band like Green Day. He probably won't, because there's not a "Jeff Beck part" on every song. But the drumming is far better than anything he ever did. The music may not be, but the musicians are.
Maybe Alice should listen to artists like Lady Gaga or Duffy. Sure Duffy's "Mercy" doesn't have a "Jeff Beck part" but it's got some killer Farfisa Organ parts, no Jeff Beck needed.
Maybe Alice should look at Jeff Beck and then himself and realize he sounds like my Mom and Dad back in the 70s and 80s, when there were no good "Les Paul" or "Ricky Nelson" parts.
thomasquinn 32989
Maybe you should take your head out of your ass and stop for a moment to consider what AC *meant* by "the Jeff Beck-part". It does not, surprise, surprise, mean that you suddenly throw in a Jeff Beck-lick. It means, quite simply, an instrumental fill. In other words - something short of a solo but beyond rhythm playing.
Micrówave
Maybe you should pull your head out of Alice's ass... or Jeff Beck's. It's 2010, not 70s era solo rock.
But you've probably not listened to current radio for about 15 years so why even comment on something you know very little about? The current state of music has little room for solos. And just because you can solo, doesn't make you a good songwriter. Alice had to bring in Bon Fricking Jovi to write one of his albums and he's going to talk about the state of music?
Sweet Caroline doesn't have a Jeff Beck part, so I guess it's a shitty song.
But you've probably not listened to current radio for about 15 years so why even comment on something you know very little about? The current state of music has little room for solos. And just because you can solo, doesn't make you a good songwriter. Alice had to bring in Bon Fricking Jovi to write one of his albums and he's going to talk about the state of music?
Sweet Caroline doesn't have a Jeff Beck part, so I guess it's a shitty song.
inu-liger
"The current state of music has little room for solos"
Well of course not! It's WAY too commercialized towards the dumb masses, and we only have greedy record companies to blame for that since they have quite a heavy hand invested in radio stations and the kind. There's very little GOOD music with wide dynamics, and I am frankly not surprised that that's showing with the local scene bands I commented about previously. People are NOT being encouraged to become good musicians, instead they're being brainwashed with all this crap and becoming quite ADHD in terms of how they look at music.
"And just because you can solo, doesn't make you a good songwriter"
People have to start somewhere. You can't write music if you don't have the skills, patience and passion required.
"Sweet Caroline doesn't have a Jeff Beck part, so I guess it's a shitty song"
That's not Alice's point, in that EVERY song has to have a "Jeff Beck part." What he's saying is that most songs are too simplified, and ThomasQuinn is right about the instrumental breaks - you don't a whole lot of it incorporated in today's music, even so-called "modern rock"
And I agree with ThomasQuinn on another point, Microwave - you DO need to pull your head out of your ass. You seem to pick fights with people here everyday, way more than I do in a week. You do know that having too much personal pride is a sin, right?
Well of course not! It's WAY too commercialized towards the dumb masses, and we only have greedy record companies to blame for that since they have quite a heavy hand invested in radio stations and the kind. There's very little GOOD music with wide dynamics, and I am frankly not surprised that that's showing with the local scene bands I commented about previously. People are NOT being encouraged to become good musicians, instead they're being brainwashed with all this crap and becoming quite ADHD in terms of how they look at music.
"And just because you can solo, doesn't make you a good songwriter"
People have to start somewhere. You can't write music if you don't have the skills, patience and passion required.
"Sweet Caroline doesn't have a Jeff Beck part, so I guess it's a shitty song"
That's not Alice's point, in that EVERY song has to have a "Jeff Beck part." What he's saying is that most songs are too simplified, and ThomasQuinn is right about the instrumental breaks - you don't a whole lot of it incorporated in today's music, even so-called "modern rock"
And I agree with ThomasQuinn on another point, Microwave - you DO need to pull your head out of your ass. You seem to pick fights with people here everyday, way more than I do in a week. You do know that having too much personal pride is a sin, right?
andreas_mercury
why argue to a man who does not know his own business, or rather the one he claims to know .... i think you microwave should declare what are you actually a man of - music, or something else complete? if you care about real music at all you wouldnt even talk about the radio to day because it is filth.
queen best music was never on the radio ...... same goes to every band and artist... you lack all credentials to be authority here in even any sense. stick to your cabarets...
queen best music was never on the radio ...... same goes to every band and artist... you lack all credentials to be authority here in even any sense. stick to your cabarets...
The Real Wizard
inu-liger wrote:
"It's WAY too commercialized towards the dumb masses, and we only have greedy record companies to blame for that"
Indeed, but it's nothing new. Did you see the "top 100 one-hit-wonders of the 80s" on Much More Music the other day? It only proves that appealing to the lowest common denominator is not a new thing. They're just finding new ways to do it.
As for Alice Cooper... for a guy who plays obscure older music on his radio show, maybe he should go beyond today's mainstream to find that there's a lot of damn good music happening right now. After all, Jeff Beck never really has been a mainstream name.
"It's WAY too commercialized towards the dumb masses, and we only have greedy record companies to blame for that"
Indeed, but it's nothing new. Did you see the "top 100 one-hit-wonders of the 80s" on Much More Music the other day? It only proves that appealing to the lowest common denominator is not a new thing. They're just finding new ways to do it.
As for Alice Cooper... for a guy who plays obscure older music on his radio show, maybe he should go beyond today's mainstream to find that there's a lot of damn good music happening right now. After all, Jeff Beck never really has been a mainstream name.