Whatever happened to Wilki?

And you know, I should add that I am a champion googler. I will google the crap out of anybody and everybody that interests me. Because the internet is there, and we all take our chances online. I'm a curious person. I understand curiosity. It's not really the googling, it's the discomfort of being googled by a person who has a deep dislike for you, shouldn't have your name, and declines to provide an explanation when asked. If I got caught googling somebody and was asked I'd be embarrassed, because we all pretend we don't do it, but I would have cared about that person's discomfort and admitted and explained it. If my suppositions are correct, that didn't happen for me. And that's why I don't participate here any more. I made some Facebook connections with people I missed, and that will have to do.

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[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]

When I hear the name Urkel, I think of a pushy, nosy arrogant, annoying, and irksome nerd ... definitely not Asperger's.

You're so vain, I bet you think this is about Aspergers.

Don't You?
Don't You?
Don't You?

LOL
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Is there a bullying-vacancy you are trying to apply for? Did you get a restraining order from your local primary school's playground or something?[/QUOTE]

It's not bullying. He's absolutely right. The word 'Urkel' was first used before anybody even knew it was Richard who had written QPL or whoever for godsake! That it had anything remotely to do with Asperger's is wholly an invention of Richard's. The Urkel character has nothing to do with Asperger's, and everything to do with the the distaste some felt at somebody writing to QPL to rat on Dave Fuller.

[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]

Welcome back Grateful Fan, ignore the imbeciles :)[/QUOTE]

Oh, and hi SBN! :)

GF gave an exact account of regarding "Snoopy the Moderator" back in November.

Pathetic that no one cares.

The addicts would not want to piss off Fanthology by commenting and have Fanthology keep their toys in their pram even longer.

I appreciate that Panchgani. But it's really nothing I expected anybody to really care about. In one sense it is probably hard to understand from the outside what the big deal is when it's not you that is targeted. It really was just to clear up where I had gone, and that is was not Fuller stuff or anything one or more people had said to me on the boards. It was something that occurred behind the scenes that I perceived as an abuse that absent any information I had to make a decision about how to handle. My decision was to remove myself from what I felt had become for me a psychologically unsafe situation. And that was that.

On one final clearing up note, earlier in the day before this happened I had written Dave Fuller an email. I explained that the situation regarding him was getting really destructive on QZ and that I knew I was asking a lot, but would he agree to tell me the truth about whether or not he was trading tracks that he had acquired exclusively from Fanthology with the understanding that I would post his answer on QZ.

The upshot of the exchange was that the initial blow up - the Reaction stuff that he leaked - he had also previously had from some past trade, so he felt entitled to do that. That was his story at the time. However he acknowledged that later trades did come from things he had exclusively gotten from Fanthology on this logic:

"Hi, I haven't read whatever people are bitching about on QZ regarding me, what I received from the fanthology is mine to leak/trade because I put stuff into the anthology as well, just like any regular trade. In fact I'd say I put in the most 'interesting' stuff into the fanthology, whereas most people involved barely uploaded anything. At the same time, fuck the hoaders :) You can put that on QZ if you want! And thanks for defending me."

I told him that the claim had been that he had put in very little if anything, and his reply was this:

"Oh yeah, I had Reaction stuff way before the Fanthology. You can put whatever I say to you on there :) I've put LOADS into the Fanthology- that kinda pisses me off that they'd lie like that, but whatever. Hoarders are usually scumbags with no morals. I DID make a video for Stuart, he wanted me to do a fan mix video for the Macbeth stuff so I obliged, even though it was a bit of a waste of time considering my focus of official stuff to the fanthology. "

So there you have it. If you have a moral objection to trading in tracks that key collectors felt were stolen from them you now have Dave's acknowledgement of their source and can make a decision.

So, he just plays by his own rules, basically. Thank you for your posts, GF.

Judging by the lists he has put up for sale, he has nothing interesting. I'm sure I posted his sale lit here before: it's full of fakes, remixes and the odd demo we've already got, or can easily get. I doubt he put anything fantastic in.

[QUOTE]"Oh yeah, I had Reaction stuff way before the Fanthology. You can put whatever I say to you on there :) I've put LOADS into the Fanthology- that kinda pisses me off that they'd lie like that, but whatever. Hoarders are usually scumbags with no morals. I DID make a video for Stuart, he wanted me to do a fan mix video for the Macbeth stuff so I obliged, even though it was a bit of a waste of time considering my focus of official stuff to the fanthology." [/QUOTE]

Unsurprisingly, I call bullshit. Unless he can actually PROVE having possession of copies of the Reaction material (digital or not) prior to joining Fanthology, he's full of shit as always and just making up convenient stories to cover his sorry ass.

As Walter pointed out, his sales list alone speaks for his lack of integrity. The fact he knowingly and willingly sells fake material alone demolishes his credibility significantly.

I will NOT get involved other than this.

David is a liar.
He uploaded nothing decent to the Fanthology.
The stuff he downloaded was all stolen.

GF: You state you know the value of logs and wrote:

"The questions about the logs are interesting as the average surfer has little idea how closely their actions are tracked when they visit websites with analytics running. This is very standard stuff for medium and large sized businesses. From the moment you hit a website your activity is tracked. The analytics will know how you got to the website - did you directly type in the address? follow a link? perform a google search? If it was an unencrypted search, what did you search for? What page did you land on? Where did you go next, and how long did you spend at each place? What was your exit page? The intention is to maximize the effectiveness of your website and understand user behaviour, know how you are being found by users etc. etc.

The logs in this case were very clear"

Out of respect for David Fuller (and Fanthology privacy) his logs have never been published. But they CAN be.

David Knows I/we sit on this info.
I made no secret of this...
But you always wanted these to be published because you saw these as fantasy.

My point is what is good for the goose is good for the gander; and if you know that these logs are available, You knew (we all knew) David did not have any of the Reaction or other tracks pre-Fantholgy.

That is all in the past now; and I do not wish to resurrect that issue as it has been dead and buried and serves no useful purpose, but David's view of history and the actual facts of the history are two very different things.

John,

The logs relating to Fuller's uploads were discussed by you on the original thread and posted at the time by YV. The upload count said '0'. So that would not be new information.

Perhaps in this case 'decent' is simply in the eye of the beholder, with him perceiving value in material you did not.

[QUOTE] [b]Donna13 wrote:[/b]

So, he just plays by his own rules, basically. Thank you for your posts, GF.

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Yes, I think that has always been a given. But sometimes that needs to happen when you're challenging a system. I've never seen anybody in this debacle as a pure white hat or a pure black hat.

And nice to see you :)

GF "However he acknowledged that later trades did come from things he had exclusively gotten from Fanthology..."
This is the point that always got me.

For years he has denied this. Now he admits it. But that is bye the bye, The fact is he uploaded nothing new or rare to the Fanthology, and I think even a cursory detective can view his posts and you tube links by their date, so that part of his argument is also very easy researched and destroyed by anyone who is interested in doing so. (My point being do not take my word for it).

David also says: "At the same time, fuck the hoaders :) You can put that on QZ if you want!"

So by your logic, it was fine for David to leak Fanthology material (and even sell it off to unsuspecting fans when he received it for free) but to still hoard his own? What is it they say about being generous with other people's money? (Also demonstrating further what an arsehole he was).

For the record; I had no problem with you. You used to be a fairly consistent contributor - until you took upon yourself the role to defend the indefensible. Now you know how easy it is to monitor a closed PC group, and how easy it is to see who uploaded what and when (and download likewise) and even "Watermark" (I know I will get stick for that because it is not a PC term - but focus on what I mean - rather on the pedantism of how I said it); you seem to expect the rest us to accept what you say on your word. That is fine.

But you would not accept my word (or the word of others) you either said (or to be fairer strongly implied) that (paraphrased) "my version was completely made-up and that unless the written logs were submitted for immediate inspection - you would not believe me.

You knew that I would not in good conscience upload those records for all to see.

So how does it feel that the boot is on the other foot?
What if I was to call you a liar; and say I want your logs uploaded for inspection?

My point is you did far more damage than good by making out that one side was as bad as another; when in fact there was real damage done to real people.

The greatest "victims" in all this was the good people of QZ Mr. Fuller may have smuggled a few tracks out ala Robin Hood type fashion; but now nothing has been shared for over two years - people now have the chance to reflect on the damage he did.

PS: Before anyone jumps on that old hoarder bandwagon - why not redirect your ire and requests at Mr. Fuller? After all if he was so generous and free with all the Fanthology stuff - why has he not been so with his own? It's a bit ironic saying "At the same time, fuck the hoaders :)" - after the horse has bolted is it not?

GF: I also recall you enjoyed having frequent pops at me about deleting my angrier ranting posts - after the event - when I had time to reflect on and regret my childish foolishness.

Now I see that you have done the same above: "Posted: 12 Feb 14, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote".

Funny how you seem to mirror everything I was saying/doing two years ago; except now you find it totally logic and acceptable.
How times change (for the better).

[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]

GF: I also recall you enjoyed having frequent pops at me about deleting my angrier ranting posts - after the event - when I had time to reflect on and regret my childish foolishness.

Now I see that you have done the same above: "Posted: 12 Feb 14, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote".

Funny how you seem to mirror everything I was saying/doing two years ago; except now you find it totally logic and acceptable.
How times change (for the better).[/QUOTE]

She reflected on an earlier post and added her thoughts in a later post. She did not delete nor modify her post.

[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]

GF: I also recall you enjoyed having frequent pops at me about deleting my angrier ranting posts - after the event - when I had time to reflect on and regret my childish foolishness.

Now I see that you have done the same above: "Posted: 12 Feb 14, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote".

Funny how you seem to mirror everything I was saying/doing two years ago; except now you find it totally logic and acceptable.
How times change (for the better).[/QUOTE]

She reflected on an earlier post and added her thoughts in a later post. She did not delete nor modify her post.

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Page 2 of this thread
Post 10 of page 2
(Middle post of GF's 3)
SHOWS otherwise.

This post HAS indeed been deleted! so you CANNOT say "She did not delete nor modify her post" - because she did delete! A blind man in a dark room can see that!

I am just calling this because when/if I deleted a post (and explained afterwards why - "I reflected on an earlier post and have added my thoughts in a later post") - she was the most unforgiving b*tch in the board.

Now she has done exactly the same thing and it has come back to haunt her; I find it all very ironic, hypocritical and most of all amusing. Now; I can't be incorrect here (yet) as the evidence is still there for all to see. (Unless it is modified later).


As I said; how times change for the better.