An idea I have had for a while is to catalogue and collect all the unreleased material that has been shared; all those demos and convention recording etc...
I think this would have a number of benefits. Firstly everyone would know what is out there and where it was. Right now this material is spread out over many locations, and in some cases may not be available any more. Having it all in one place would make it easy for new collectors to going. We could also put all the best available versions in one place.
Secondly I get annoyed at the many fakes out there; all that rubbish made my changing the stereo balance or manipulating the 5.1 tracks. By knowing what is genuine we could begin to purge these fakes from the pool.
Thirdly it might help with the wait for the box set.
I am not talking about what is in private collections; this is just about what has been shared publicly.
I am pretty sure I could do 90% of this myself, and I’ve already started, but I will need some help. If anyone with a good knowledge of shared material would like to help, then please get in touch. I am sure that together we could create something really worthwhile.
My email is jam_monkey@hotmail.com
Thanks Craig
rhyeking · Member since
Certainly a noble and worthwile task. Adam Unger's excellent site, QueenVault.com is a good place to start for reference material on what's been leaked and what's been showcased at Queen conventions.
pittrek · Member since
QueenVault.com is a fantastic site, but the demos are not listed chronologically
Jam Monkey · Member since
Adam's site is indeed excellent, but of course he lists many demos that have not been shared as well!
What I am talking about is a definative list of shared demos so everyone knows what is out there, and then collecting the best versions and putting them all in one place.
Perhaps it is best if I take a stab at this first and then post my findings for corrections.
rhyeking · Member since
Give it a few days, you'll get some replies from the hardcore collectors out there.
Come to think of it, though, this Forum HAS been quiet lately.
Too quiet...
(my eyes survey the wilderness suspiciously...)
oh-ja · Member since
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The Real Wizard · Member since
pittrek wrote:
"QueenVault.com is a fantastic site, but the demos are not listed chronologically"
Indeed. For starters, Silver Salmon is still listed under the debut album when it should be under News Of The World. The myth was long ago debunked
rhyeking · Member since
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong...but....
"Silver Salmon" was a Tim Staffell track. The leaked demo appears to be from the Queen 1 period, where they were messing around with Smile tracks as well as their own, such as "Polar Bear" and "Doing all Right."
By 1977, the band wouldn't need to pull out old Smile tracks. And even if they did, just to jam with, Freddie's vocal on the recording sounds much younger than his New Of The World recordings, even including the "Feeling Feelings" demo.
SirGH, yours is the first statement I've read contradicting the origins of the song/recording. Was there a thread here I missed where the case was made and proven for the NOTW era origin? If so, I'd love to read it. I'm pretty sure Adam would as well, as he tends to be meticulous with his research.
Rick · Member since
Bob is right. Just listen to both the drum and guitar sound. I believe you can hear timbales, which Roger used in that period. Also, Brian's distinctive guitar sound reminds me of songs like It's Late and WWRY fast version. Freddie still sounded 'young' back then as he didn't smoke yet (just an assumption, but sounds reasonable, doesn't it?). Don't underestimate him: he had a brilliant voice in that period!
It's just a random jam of the song.The origins of the song might stem from the early seventies; this recording is definitely from a few years later.
rhyeking · Member since
It's a compelling argument, but I'm still not convinced.
For the longest time, it was argued that "Celebration" and "I Can't Get You Out Of My Head" were Strange Frontier era, Roger-penned tracks, both of which later definitively proven to be Cross songs, written by Spike Edney and Clayton Moss respectively.
Like I said, I'm not saying I know one way ot the other, but we're all just bouncing around conjecture based on what we hear in the demo.
Jam Monkey · Member since
Ok here is my first stab at a list of what has been shared. I've not included anything that is is any way 'released' such a multi tracks from Guitar Hero, or The Hitman demo. I've also not included anything I feel it 'fake' such as the various 'Acapella' or 'Instrumental' tracks that are just manipulated 5.1 tracks.
I am sure there is more that could be added, but I've concentrated on 'proper' demos and convention recordings. The first step is to see if there is any more out there, and the second step will be to collect the best versions and share.
Your thoughts please...
De Lane Lea Demos Keep Yourself Alive Great King Rat Liar The Night Comes Down Jesus
Demos Silver Salmon Polar Bear Feelings Feelings Feelings Staying Power Back Chat Action This Day Life Is Real (Song For Lennon) Las Palabras de Amor (The Words Of Love) Cool Cat Feel Like Keep Passing The Open Windows (1st Version) Keep Passing The Open Windows (2nd Version) The Miracle I Want It All (Vocal Demo) I Want It All (Instrumental Demo) The Invisible Man Scandal My Baby Loves Me Hang On In There Stealin' Hijack My Heart Too Much Love Will Kill You A New Life Is Born I Guess We're Falling Out Dog With A Bone (Studio Version) Headlong Delilah Self Made Man My Secret Fantasy Robbery
Covention Recordings Great King Rat (1st Version) Great King Rat (2nd Version) Nevermore The March Of The Black Queen Funny How Love Is Brighton Rock Tenement Funster (Part recording only) In The Lap Of The Gods Tie Your Mother Down Somebody To Love (Studio Out-Takes) Somebody To Love (Vocal Out-Takes) Feelings Feelings ('Number 9' Version) Jealousy Let Me Entertain You Sail Away Sweet Sister Comming Soon (Instrumental Jam) Sandbox Dancer Back Chat Put Out The Fire It’s A Hard Life (Part recording only) I Go Crazy One Vison Khashoggi's Ship Rain Must Fall Dog With A Bone (Fan Club Version) Face It Alone (1st Version) Face It Alone (2nd Version)
Multi-Tracks Brighton Rock Killer Queen Get Down Make Love Bohemian Rhapsody
BBC Session 2 See What A Fool I’ve Been Liar Son and Daughter Keep Yourself Alive
BBC Session 4 Modern Times Rock'n'Roll White Queen (As It Began) Nevermore The March Of The Black Queen
BBC Session 5 Tenement Funster Flick Of The Wrist Now I'm Here Stone Cold Crazy Carousel
BBC Session 6 We Will Rock You Spread Your Wings It's Late My Melancholy Blues
Other The Call
rhyeking · Member since
Jam Monkey wrote:
Your thoughts please...
De Lane Lea Demos Keep Yourself Alive Great King Rat Liar The Night Comes Down Jesus
Demos Silver Salmon Polar Bear Feelings Feelings Feelings Staying Power Back Chat Action This Day Life Is Real (Song For Lennon) Las Palabras de Amor (The Words Of Love) Cool Cat Feel Like Keep Passing The Open Windows (1st Version) Keep Passing The Open Windows (2nd Version) The Miracle I Want It All (Vocal Demo) I Want It All (Instrumental Demo) The Invisible Man Scandal My Baby Loves Me Hang On In There Stealin' Hijack My Heart Too Much Love Will Kill You A New Life Is Born I Guess We're Falling Out Dog With A Bone (Studio Version) Headlong Delilah Self Made Man My Secret Fantasy Robbery
Covention Recordings Great King Rat (1st Version) Great King Rat (2nd Version) Nevermore The March Of The Black Queen Funny How Love Is Brighton Rock Tenement Funster (Part recording only) In The Lap Of The Gods Tie Your Mother Down Somebody To Love (Studio Out-Takes) Somebody To Love (Vocal Out-Takes) Feelings Feelings ('Number 9' Version) Jealousy Let Me Entertain You Sail Away Sweet Sister Comming Soon (Instrumental Jam) Sandbox Dancer Back Chat Put Out The Fire It’s A Hard Life (Part recording only) I Go Crazy One Vison Khashoggi's Ship Rain Must Fall Dog With A Bone (Fan Club Version) Face It Alone (1st Version) Face It Alone (2nd Version)
Multi-Tracks Brighton Rock Killer Queen Get Down Make Love Bohemian Rhapsody
BBC Session 2 See What A Fool I’ve Been Liar Son and Daughter Keep Yourself Alive
BBC Session 4 Modern Times Rock'n'Roll White Queen (As It Began) Nevermore The March Of The Black Queen
BBC Session 5 Tenement Funster Flick Of The Wrist Now I'm Here Stone Cold Crazy Carousel
BBC Session 6 We Will Rock You Spread Your Wings It's Late My Melancholy Blues
Other The Call ================================= Thoughts:
Wouldn't the best version of "The Night Comes Down" be from one of the recent remasters of the album? It WAS the same version as from the De Lane Lea sessions. Or is that not "demo-y" enough sounding, haha?
What of "The Miracle Demos Medley"? Don't tell me we're chopping that up just to get to its component parts. Many of the individual parts are incomplete, but in the 'original' Medley form, as created by QP for the convention, to me they hold greater significance than being diced to pieces.
Also, there are a few demos listed above I haven't got. Shame on me!
What is "Carousel," listed under BBC Session 5? Is that refering to the Carousel music Brian used from the SFX LP in 1974? If so, it's a curiousity, sure, but not part of the BBC Session and neither is it, technically, a Queen track. It's just a sample they used for the song.
Simon Brown · Member since
At some point didn't Greg send someone a fantastic quality alternate take of something from either Queen 1 or Queen 2 that they then uploaded here....can't actually remember what it was.
Simon Brown · Member since
At some point didn't Greg send someone a fantastic quality alternate take of something from either Queen 1 or Queen 2 that they then uploaded here....can't actually remember what it was.
Kamenliter · Member since
I too would like to read the thread about Silver Salmon being from the News of the World sessions. It sure feels like a Queen 1 outtake to me, but I could be wrong. I also don't understand why it should be so difficult to find this out for sure by asking Brian. He posts and seemingly corresponds so much with people through his website, isn't it an easy enough question for him to answer? Why is so much of Queen's history so seemingly secretive, when we have three members of the band still alive and well?
