RIP DaveRFuller's Youtube Account

It's extremely arrogant of anybody to file COPYRIGHTS on stuff that has no monetary loss/gain. Fair use applies.

I would be curious to hear the replies that Brian, Roger, John, and Jim Beach might have to offer regarding that comment.

Not to be too serious, or too silly.......hell, it would be nice to hear John say something about anything.

Hey, I just got a message from Dave: He says that an "Air Productions" filed copyright claims on ONE VIDEO, and it got suspended.

This Company is FAKE. IT DOESN'T EXIST!

http://www.youtube.com/user/airproductionsco

This came up on a search

Someone filed a FALSE CLAIM and fucked him over.

This is terrible news. He was probably the greatest resource of Queen material youtube, albeit there lots of other Youtube account who have contributed well with Queen stuff.

Lucky we have Dave on myspace and facebook too,so we can be in touch with him,hopefully he is going to be back on youtube too,hopefully...because there was years of hard work on that channel.

This is interesting. I've just come across the Website with a Queen fan talking about Dave R Fuller (however the site is full of other stuff??). He says that you can still view Dave R Fullers youtube account via a Catched version? He also has a forum and is looking for Queen stuff in the future. http://fantasticfour2010.webs.com/justaqueenpage.htm

Guys, let's get this in context and not get over dramatic about it.  Dave did NOT and I repeat did NOT have anything we don't already have or can't already get as far as demos or rare recordings are concerned.  If you check Jam Monkey's links, he has provided us with a way of obtaining the largest majority of the demos and out-takes available.  I had a couple of things he didn't and vice-versa, we've all managed to obtain stuff through  JSS and his awesome shares of the BBC stuff and between everyone else here on QZ, we've pretty much got everything in circulation at the moment.  Sure, Dave had everything in one place, but as Bob says it wouldn't be too difficult for us to do the same here.  And I'm sure between us we can retrieve the biggest lot of interviews as well.  It's an pain in the hoop for sure, but it's not the loss some are making it out to be.  It will be a major loss for Dave, I know, and there is no disrespect intended towards him as he did devote a lot of time and effort into his channel and provided a great service.  I think we can, collectively, better it though and cushion the blow caused by shutting Dave down.

YannickJoker wrote: It's a shame, but I wouldn't call him a hero. Downloading things from Queenzone and uploading them on youtube, taking complete credit for it does not make you a hero.
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I don't know about you, but he was a hero of mine, I can say that for sure. He did devote a lot of his time and dared to upload all that. Kudos for David!

Cheers,

Ogre-

That's a real shame, Dave's account was the best on YouTube.

However, as has been said, we can always find this material in other ways. If anyone is after any demos or unreleased tracks then please check out my link below. Every publicly shared demo I am aware of it there (If I am missing any then please let me know and I'll add it!)

Of couse Dave also had alot of offiical non-album material as well, which isn't so easily replaced.

I think you'll find that Queen productions have something to do with this because of the new universal deal..Made in heaven 2 anybody ?

> YannickJoker wrote: It's a shame, but I wouldn't call him a hero. Downloading things from Queenzone and uploading them on youtube, taking complete credit for it does not make you a hero.

He did not take complete credit for it, so that statement's absurd to say the least.

Dave did, however:

* Spend countless hours adding the visual aspect (including some amazing photos).
* Spend countless hours uploading those files to YT.
* Spend countless hours getting the data right for the video info.
* Allow thousands of people all over the world (many of which haven't got the time, resources or experience to get hold of those files elsewhere) to enjoy those interviews, songs, etc.
* Do it for free, only out of the generosity of his heart.

So yes, IMO, that DOES make him a hero. Way more than being an official archivist and just going to the QZ board to whine and bully.

It's a real pity that we can't see his videos.
Anyway thank you for your past contributions, DaveRFuller.

Having run the Youtube copyright gauntlet many times myself (I have yet to face the deletion of an account, but realistically it's only a matter of time) I can only say this to people who rely on Youtube for their goodies :

IF YOU LIKE SOMETHING, DOWNLOAD IT.  Go to a site like Keepvid, or whatever one you prefer, that will allow you to download videos from Youtube.  Hell - if you're on a Mac, get SnapzPro and just record the videos you like.  Youtube was a cool place for a few months, let's be fair, but once it got big, and once Google bought it, and once they struck deals with copyright owners, any guarantee of common sense went out the window.  They are in a unique position to influence the way these corporations handle copyright, but I suppose they worry more about being in the unique position to get their arses sued off.

The bottom line is that they don't give a shit about you.  It stopped being 'You'Tube a long time ago.  Case in point; I just had the audio switched off on a video of mine because I used a bunch of copyrighted music.  Fair enough.  But now my video has ads on it to buy the music from iTunes.  My video, crippled as it is, now serves as someone else's billboard.  Keeping in mind that none of the music used in my video cannot be obtained elsewhere on Youtube already.  And that listening to this music on my video is not a viable alternative to buying it because it is hacked up and has people talking over the frigging top of it.  

The 'music industry' (if it has ever really been about music) is not panicking about lost profits.  They are upset that they get less money than they would like to.  'Lost revenue' is a lot of bullshit.  They are still raking it in, although anyone who ever looks at the books knows that the money is not really going where it should.  

We take the Youtube thing for granted, folks, but shit like this happens with appalling regularity.  In Australia a channel that uploaded a lot of ABC stuff was deleted by someone who was pretending to be the ABC.  He may have even used a shitty free e-mail address - Hotmail or some such.  Getting your stuff back, or even getting through to Youtube, is pretty bloody difficult.

In future, if you guys (this goes out to Gregsynth who is still on Youtube, am I right?) want to avoid this kind of problem:  Download the stuff you want to keep, because it might not be there tomorrow. And possibly go to some lengths to not put everything in the one basket.  Maybe start a few channels instead of just the one.    Band together, and make yourselves a real nuisance to the people in charge.  Fuck 'em.

Sebastian wrote:

He did not take complete credit for it, so that statement's absurd to say the least.

Well, I don't think he ever told the loving comment-leaving public where he got his goodies from, did he? But if he did, please tell me and if so, alright, good on him, but it's still misty.

Sebastian wrote:

Dave did, however: * Spend countless hours adding the visual aspect (including some amazing photos).
* Spend countless hours uploading those files to YT.
* Spend countless hours getting the data right for the video info.

* Allow thousands of people all over the world (many of which haven't
got the time, resources or experience to get hold of those files
elsewhere) to enjoy those interviews, songs, etc.
* Do it for free, only out of the generosity of his heart.
So yes, IMO, that DOES make him a hero. Way more than being an official
archivist and just going to the QZ board to whine and bully.

I do agree with you that he's better than the idiot GB. However, still does not make him a hero to me. After all, what he did was collecting things from others and just putting them together nicely. I've never seen a video where he thanked the persons that uploaded the original demo, interview or whatever.

I'm just shocked!

Dave have very good Queen stuff collection.

The copyright issues on YouTube always been ridiculous: for example, Warner Music required deletion of one of Queen's BBC Session (and even "Crysis" gameplay) recording because it allegedly violates THEIR copyright. This is absurd, because dudes from Warner Music themselves violates copyright of real owners: EMI/Universal (and Crytek/Electronic Arts).

I think that idiots that deleted DaveRFuller account are simple assholes and faggots!