Thank TSS Killer for the findings!
I'm just writing stuff!
Gregsynth
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tsskiller
For the record, 0:00-0:38 is Rotterdam 1st night, 0:38-1:08 is Munich PLUS the Rotterdam 1st night (the second "Let Me Entertain You" in that Chorus is patched in). The rest is fine.
So Greg misinterpreted my findings.
So Greg misinterpreted my findings.
The Real Wizard
Sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but that "research" is completely wrong.
I just compared the spots in question, and they are not from Munich, Barcelona, or Rotterdam. I compared mostly vocal lines and guitar licks, and they simply do not match.
For instance, in You're My Best Friend, before "You're my sunshine," on Live Killers it's a snare fill, and in Barcelona it's a tom fill. And in Let Me Entertain You, the notes that feed back on the guitar are not the notes on the Rotterdam recording. Upon careful inspection, none of the vocal lines match at all. It's these kinds of intricacies that make the songs different from night to night. When ten things in a row match, then you've got a winner.
I've spent more hours on this project than I'm willing to admit, and by now I likely know every note of Live Killers more than any other record ever made. And I still love it.
But thanks for trying! It's an ongoing fun project. If we're going to figure out more of the songs, more raw recordings are going to have to come out.
I just compared the spots in question, and they are not from Munich, Barcelona, or Rotterdam. I compared mostly vocal lines and guitar licks, and they simply do not match.
For instance, in You're My Best Friend, before "You're my sunshine," on Live Killers it's a snare fill, and in Barcelona it's a tom fill. And in Let Me Entertain You, the notes that feed back on the guitar are not the notes on the Rotterdam recording. Upon careful inspection, none of the vocal lines match at all. It's these kinds of intricacies that make the songs different from night to night. When ten things in a row match, then you've got a winner.
I've spent more hours on this project than I'm willing to admit, and by now I likely know every note of Live Killers more than any other record ever made. And I still love it.
But thanks for trying! It's an ongoing fun project. If we're going to figure out more of the songs, more raw recordings are going to have to come out.
Vali
Sir GH wrote: Sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but that "research" is completely wrong.
I just compared the spots in question, and they are not from Munich, Barcelona, or Rotterdam. I compared mostly vocal lines and guitar licks, and they simply do not match.
For instance, in You're My Best Friend, before "You're my sunshine," on Live Killers it's a snare fill, and in Barcelona it's a tom fill. And in Let Me Entertain You, the notes that feed back on the guitar are not the notes on the Rotterdam recording. Upon careful inspection, none of the vocal lines match at all. It's these kinds of intricacies that make the songs different from night to night. When ten things in a row match, then you've got a winner.
I've spent more hours on this project than I'm willing to admit, and by now I likely know every note of Live Killers more than any other record ever made. And I still love it.
But thanks for trying! It's an ongoing fun project. If we're going to figure out more of the songs, more raw recordings are going to have to come out.
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... wich makes me remember how much I love your Live Killers analysis everytime I read it (and it´s been more than just one reading!). Many tks for your superb job, Bob !
I just compared the spots in question, and they are not from Munich, Barcelona, or Rotterdam. I compared mostly vocal lines and guitar licks, and they simply do not match.
For instance, in You're My Best Friend, before "You're my sunshine," on Live Killers it's a snare fill, and in Barcelona it's a tom fill. And in Let Me Entertain You, the notes that feed back on the guitar are not the notes on the Rotterdam recording. Upon careful inspection, none of the vocal lines match at all. It's these kinds of intricacies that make the songs different from night to night. When ten things in a row match, then you've got a winner.
I've spent more hours on this project than I'm willing to admit, and by now I likely know every note of Live Killers more than any other record ever made. And I still love it.
But thanks for trying! It's an ongoing fun project. If we're going to figure out more of the songs, more raw recordings are going to have to come out.
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... wich makes me remember how much I love your Live Killers analysis everytime I read it (and it´s been more than just one reading!). Many tks for your superb job, Bob !
Gregsynth
Well, there's studio dubs on LMEY (Freddie sings the high notes)!
The Real Wizard
It's possible, but we can't know that for sure. They're not nearly as obvious as the overdubs in say, We Are The Champions. He could have easily sung those notes in Let Me Entertain You live at some show on the tour if he had a good night.
tsskiller
Looks like I'll have to make another video...
The Barcelona 2nd night bootleg runs fast. I can easily pitch correct it to match Live Killers. Freddie has exactly the same intonation on Barcelona's Best Friend (and I can prove it). The drums and guitar were probably redone in the studio (which wouldn't be surprising).
The Barcelona 2nd night bootleg runs fast. I can easily pitch correct it to match Live Killers. Freddie has exactly the same intonation on Barcelona's Best Friend (and I can prove it). The drums and guitar were probably redone in the studio (which wouldn't be surprising).
Gregsynth
Sir GH wrote: It's possible, but we can't know that for sure. They're not nearly as obvious as the overdubs in say, We Are The Champions. He could have easily sung those notes in Let Me Entertain You live at some show on the tour if he had a good night.
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But that's the thing, those A4s don't even sound like live ones! If Freddie sang A4s on the Live Killers tour, they would've sound forced! The A4s on the Live Killers version sound like freaking Crazy Tour ones/Studio ones.
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But that's the thing, those A4s don't even sound like live ones! If Freddie sang A4s on the Live Killers tour, they would've sound forced! The A4s on the Live Killers version sound like freaking Crazy Tour ones/Studio ones.
jamster1111
I guess you're friend Mr. TSS is wrong about something again :)
Gregsynth
He's never wrong...he just gets the wrong info. :)
marvinp01
come on really? there is CLEARLY a difference to the LMEY on the LK and the one from Munich!!! TSSKILLER needs to chill out. Bob is the man on Live Killers...
Gregsynth
marvinp01 wrote: come on really? there is CLEARLY a difference to the LMEY on the LK and the one from Munich!!! TSSKILLER needs to chill out. Bob is the man on Live Killers...
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TSS didn't say the whole song came from Munich, he thinks parts of Freddie's vocals came from it! Big difference!
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TSS didn't say the whole song came from Munich, he thinks parts of Freddie's vocals came from it! Big difference!
inu-liger
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]marvinp01 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] come on really? there is CLEARLY a difference to the LMEY on the LK and the one from Munich!!! TSSKILLER needs to chill out. Bob is the man on Live Killers... [/QUOTE]
Needs to chill out?? Speaking from five years plus knowing this guy online (as well as having spent some time TWICE with him this past year when I went to visit New York!), he's actually one of the most chillest guys you will ever meet! He RARELY ever gets pissed off about anything so trivial, if ever! I don't know why this website's denizens still need to feel automatically negative or cynical towards new members to this day?! Especially if the new members have something to contribute to the Queen fandom community right off the bat at first, which most of you probably can't even lay claim to!
The Real Wizard
tsskiller wrote:
[QUOTE]Freddie has exactly the same intonation on Barcelona's Best Friend[/QUOTE]
Freddie doesn't hit the high A on "LONG time" as cleanly in Barcelona as he does on the live album, but maybe that one note was patched up? But you're right, the vocal line is otherwise pretty damn close. Even with the speed corrected, it's hard to tell when the audience recording is in such bad quality.
[QUOTE]The drums and guitar were probably redone in the studio (which wouldn't be surprising).[/QUOTE]
Then it really isn't a live version anymore, is it? It's always possible that they used the music from one night and the vocals from another.
[QUOTE]Freddie has exactly the same intonation on Barcelona's Best Friend[/QUOTE]
Freddie doesn't hit the high A on "LONG time" as cleanly in Barcelona as he does on the live album, but maybe that one note was patched up? But you're right, the vocal line is otherwise pretty damn close. Even with the speed corrected, it's hard to tell when the audience recording is in such bad quality.
[QUOTE]The drums and guitar were probably redone in the studio (which wouldn't be surprising).[/QUOTE]
Then it really isn't a live version anymore, is it? It's always possible that they used the music from one night and the vocals from another.
Gregsynth
They should have called the album "Dubbed Killers."