Live Killers (Possible findings)

Sir GH wrote: marvinp01 wrote:

It is probably the actual performance from yugoslavia.

Yugoslavia?  Who started that fable, anyway?

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Bad Seed wrote:

However I can't understand why Freddie would overdub perfectly good whole song's like on Montreal (I know few agree with that).

I wouldn't doubt it.  Which songs do you think were overdubbed for Montreal?  I haven't really analyzed this one.

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Im certain about Jailhouse Rock, think Bo Rap (rock section), and NIH being the main ones. Compare the audience version of JR, apart from the his ad-libs its completely dubbed. Got some good evidence for NIH today when comparing the old WWRY with RM, but dont have time to tell at the mo.

Well Montreal was filmed over two nights. They most likely switched the audio from night to night. Here's Jailhouse Rock from the audience Recording (11/24/1981)

Bad Seed wrote:

[QUOTE]Im certain about Jailhouse Rock, think Bo Rap (rock section), and NIH being the main ones. Compare the audience version of JR, apart from the his ad-libs its completely dubbed[/QUOTE]

It was done over two nights, so unless an audience recording of the 25th pops up, we can't know for sure.  But you're right, his voice does somehow sound different on these songs.

The Yugoslavia story came from someone claiming to be from Zagreb who said that Freddie said something in the local language during -I think- We are the Champions so that song "had to be" from that gig.

Gregsynth wrote:

Well Montreal was filmed over two nights. They most likely switched the audio from night to night.

Here's Jailhouse Rock from the audience Recording (11/24/1981)

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True, but thats a bit like saying LK was recorded over 27 nights, so most likely the overdubs we're discussing come from a night not bootlegged.

AND Jailhouse Rock was only performed on the first night (apparently)

Sir GH wrote: Bad Seed wrote:

Im certain about Jailhouse Rock, think Bo Rap (rock section), and NIH being the main ones. Compare the audience version of JR, apart from the his ad-libs its completely dubbed

It was done over two nights, so unless an audience recording of the 25th pops up, we can't know for sure.  But you're right, his voice does somehow sound different on these songs. =========

Decided to start a new topic on this

Jailhouse Rock was played on both nights.

How do we know that for sure?  Has anyone stated for certain that it was the same setlist both nights?

Well, someone at the Queen convention (at my table) said they played the same set-list on both nights (she's from Montreal and attended both concerts). Plus on your website, it states that one: JR was played both nights, and two: Freddie wore pants during the encores of the second night. Well on the DVD, we've got Freddie in pants (2nd night's footage--Brian and Roger talk about the editing around then), but the audio matches the audience recording from the 1st night.

Gregsynth wrote:

[QUOTE]Well, someone at the Queen convention (at my table) said they played the same set-list on both nights (she's from Montreal and attended both concerts).[/QUOTE]

Cool, thanks for the info.

I was pretty sure they had played Jailhouse on both nights, but perhaps they played Need Your Loving Tonight or Fat Bottomed Girls on the second night.

Good work, guys.

If they played NYLT at Montreal, Freddie would've nailed it!

Bad Seed wrote: Alhough I'd prefer a nice faultess live performance, I really dont mind the overdubs. I'd rather have an odd overdub than an awful vocal crack, or Brian's STL solo from Sao Paulo.
However I can't understand why Freddie would overdub perfectly good whole song's like on Montreal (I know few agree with that).

Seeing that made me curious, so off to youtube I went, and wowwwwwwwww. That must have been painful for Brian as well.

Gregsynth wrote: UPDATE:

Here's Let Me Entertain You from Live Killers...

0-53 seconds: Rotterdam 1st night

53- 1:08 : Munich

1:09 - 1:30: Rotterdam 1st night

1:31- 1:40 : Unknown

1:41- 1:45: Munich

1:46- 1:53: Rotterdam 1st night (includes studio overdubs)

1:54-2:06: Unknown

2:07-2:48: Rotterdam 1st night Hi,
Sorry Greg but, and stop me if I'm wrong, even the biggest bands  very rarely play a song exactly the same pace and if you listen to loads of Queen recordings of the same song it's certainly true of them. Now, 30 years ago when Killers was recorded studios didn't have the digital technology to speed up and slow down stuff without altering the tone which would have made piecing a song together from loads of different recordings pretty difficult. Couple of performances yes but 4, 5, 6 or 7 - no.
I bought the vinyl in 79 and I've really never stopped to wonder where it was recorded except for knowing it was the european Jazz tour . Have heard that Paris and Frankfurt feature heavily but hey, that's too much information already.

That is completely true. I don't think you'll find any performance from a band that has two identical versions of a song.

My friend TSS Killer was the one that made these findings--I'm just writing them down. I haven't studied Live Killers enough to make calls on gigs or anything like that.

If you check Sir GH's Live Killers analysis you will find that Queen did make a lot of cuts and edits on Live Killers. Songs like Brighton Rock feature bits from 5 or more different gigs.

There is also strong evidence indicating several overdubs, like the vocal intro to "Don't Stop Me Now". Apparently, there is no bootleg with Freddie singing this. NOT ONE. The song's intro was entirely instrumental each night.

There is still a slight chance that Freddie did sing those bits in a concert which was not bootlegged... but it's very slim.