Sir GH wrote: Bad Seed makes a very good argument, but TCC has probably just nailed it - Queen had absolutely no creative control over these releases, so it is very unlikely that they were able to get overdubs of Freddie in there. Even if they could have, why was it necessary? Freddie was on the top of his game in 1981 live, and could sing just about anything he wanted to sing.
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The original sound was recorded by Mack, mixed and produced by Mack and Queen. Overdubs (if added) will have been done during the Hot Space session's. I don't think it was nesessary to OD, but maybe Freddie did? I've never been too fond of Freddie's singing on NIH between the Crazy and Hot Space tours, maybe he felt the same? I think Sao Paulo and Hammersmith for eg, are great band performances but the vocal is a bit too 'live'.
Bad Seed · Member since
Sorry, ignore.
KillerQ · Member since
Hey all,
I was 100% percent certain that there were audio dubs in this concert release from the very first moment I set my eyes on it back in the day when it was released on VHS.
I can say this because there are parts of the concert where Roger's drum playing is no consistent with what sound is playing. There are sections where we hear the hi-hat, but he is still playing the riding cymbal, etc....
Oh well....
Later,
Matt!
KillerQ · Member since
Hey all,
I was 100% percent certain that there were audio dubs in this concert release from the very first moment I set my eyes on it back in the day when it was released on VHS.
I can say this because there are parts of the concert where Roger's drum playing is no consistent with what sound is playing. There are sections where we hear the hi-hat, but he is still playing the riding cymbal, etc....
Oh well....
Later,
Matt!
The Real Wizard · Member since
Bad Seed wrote:
[QUOTE]The original sound was recorded by Mack, mixed and produced by Mack and Queen.[/QUOTE]
For the 1984 release, you mean? Does it specifically say that?
Honestly, I can't picture Queen having had creative control here. The audio was out of synch with the video in so many places on every We Will Rock You release, VHS and DVD. Queen always had the highest of standards for their musical output, and there's no way they would have allowed these glaring errors to be released if they could have done anything about it.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Gregsynth wrote:
[QUOTE]1. Does an audience recording of the 2nd concert exist?[/QUOTE]
Anything's possible. New recordings come out all the time.
[QUOTE]How come the first night's audience recording on Bob's site has most of the songs--while the one shared here has over half of them removed?[/QUOTE]
This version probably came from Dime, where no official songs are allowed, even if it's from an audience source. So people are forced to remove those songs, as the watchdogs are watching carefully.
The Real Wizard · Member since
dive2063 wrote:
[QUOTE]Is there any overdubs on Live Magic official release?[/QUOTE]
There are vocal overdubs in the harmonies One Vision. Brian's voice was later added. Perhaps there are more, but that's the only one that stuck out to me.
The Real Wizard · Member since
KillerQ wrote:
[QUOTE]I can say this because there are parts of the concert where Roger's drum playing is no consistent with what sound is playing. There are sections where we hear the hi-hat, but he is still playing the riding cymbal, etc....[/QUOTE]
Indeed, because the audio and video don't always come from the same night - there were two nights of material to pick from. It was edited by people who were filmmakers, not musicians.
Gregsynth · Member since
Is there a way to find the "longer" audience source? Or is it now obsolete?
kohuept · Member since
As has been said before, I think it's very important to not put too much emphasis on audio/video sync with any of the WWRY/Rock Montreal releases.
On Killer Queen, the the line that someone suggested Freddie just didn't sing, "Guaranteed to..." I think, check it again because I believe he begins singing "Recommended..." It's been a while, but it was always obvious to me that the video was off.
As for Queen not having the opportunity, control, or whatever to make overdubs, check Saul's commentary when he says that the recordings "disappeared" right after filming. Queen took them to fix/overdub...I don't remember his wording.
There are a couple of other noticeable dubs in the last WWRY release that stand out when compared to the Rock Montreal release: The end of the BohRhap guitar solo seems to have a few higher notes added to it. John's bass in Dragon Attack sounds looped to me and is much MUCH clearer in the RM release.
Either way, to me, there seem to be no overdubs in the Rock Montreal release. Again, to reiterate what someone else said, when there are overdubs, it is almost always possible to hear, leaked underneath the dub, what was actually performed.
Good chat!
on my way up · Member since
Well, if the discussed lines are indeed overdubbed, then it was a very wrong decision. In my opinion that bit in Now I'm here is exactly the one spot where Freddie's voice sounds less enjoyable.
I always prefer pure live vocals by the way. That's just what makes collecting roio's so fun, the fact you're listening to something that REALLY happened:-)
emrabt · Member since
On Killer Queen, the the line that someone suggested Freddie just didn't sing, "Guaranteed to..." I think, check it again because I believe he begins singing "Recommended..." It's been a while, but it was always obvious to me that the video was off.
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Here's what we've been talking about with this, the "guaranteed to" "sways" in from the other night, in the video Freddie clearly isn't moving his mouth.
Bad seed I think by RAW he meant have queen productions leave the video as it was and use the audio of him not singing rather than reuse that clip.
Correcting the audio to match the footage, and not the footage to match the audio as it were.
Bad Seed · Member since
To reply to the above, I think its more likely Freddie did sing the line but the mistake was made when editing the footage, although I could be wrong of course.
Gregsynth · Member since
Bad Seed wrote: To reply to the above, I think its more likely Freddie did sing the line but the mistake was made when editing the footage, although I could be wrong of course. I think that's right too. They simply put the wrong video on the audio.
