Why I think Montreal is overdubbed

And Wembley... well, I have a CD with the original version. I couldn´t find overdubs, but a lot of mixing that corrects some errors... Are these new softwares (protools, etc) an overdub or not? Mercury was always great, as you can check at Hartford record (1980) and Live Aid (1985). And it is hard to compare his voice during the years - 1979, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986 - once young and then, when he was over 40, years of smoking cigarretes and becoming ill. At Wembley he said in the first night that he has a sore throat or something else between one song and another and it was rainning, fog, cold wind, London wheater, etc.

@ Gus
Freddie says "We're gonna end it" (meaning the song) in Jailhouse Rock.  He clearly wasn't please with the reaction of the crowd or interference from the cameras.

Bad Seed wrote: Thanks to Bob and Greg for your kind comments!

I still think the RM versions of  NIH, JR and BR (rock section only), are overdubbed. However WWRY contains far more overdubs.

For the people mentioning 'bleeding', this would not happen. First of all Freddie has'nt overdubbed to alter lines or fix mistakes. I think he has sang the line/song exactly as the original recording, just with more power and aggression. The bleed would not be noticable. Also the Montreal shows seemed to be recorded very dry, with very little ambience. This would make any sound bleed far more difficult to happen.

Here are another couple of examples, although nothing concrete:

Here is NIH from WWRY, listen from 4:52 'Just a new man'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60UwZopJkGs

I think from 4:52 onwards the song is heavily overdubbed. The word 'eye' at 6:07 is interesting to compare with RM, although I think most people will have already noticed this before.

Here it is from RM, listen from 0:49 'Just a new man'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p723H5f0opc

Here the line 'Just a new man' is left unaltered, and unlike WWRY the overdub starts from 'Yes you made me live again' at 0:52. I think this song is entirely overdubbed until 'eye' at 2:03.

I must stress that this is only my opinion, and that I would love to be proved wrong. But he sings this song, BR, and JR exactly like the overdubbed line in SHA.

Interesting. You definitely have a point here, there's a clear and very noticeable difference in tone (color) between these two excerpts from NIM. It does seem to point out to some kind of overdub, though it's hard to know without listening to the raw recordings of both nights.

Well the video from WWRY is supior than monteral minus Killer Queen
The audio is supior on monteral

In my opinion, i think Swimmer brought back the band (or fred) for overdubs, and because Q were still mad, they put little to no effort in the overdubs.

it is a known fact that Queen (or brian) recorded everyshow since 1973, and the audio for rock monteral would of come from the original audio source

remember in the end, the whole gig was a quick cash in so swimmer wouldnt care much for 5.1 audio, the sterio would do just fine

thou in terms of the arguement of the director and the band

i do believe that members of Queen were harsh towards Swimmer. Cos think of it like this, Queen are like actors. in terms of filmwise, actors are renowned for being real dickheads (pardon my french) they want things to work for them, they say everything evoles around them, and they'll often use the excuse of walking off set as a threat. Personlly i think Queen did this concert for the money and just did not like working under someone else for a change.

as a film maker myself, doing film making at my uni, i relise how much power we have,
being realistic, the people with the least amount of power is the actors (or Queen in this discussion)

yes both strive for perfection and in Swimmers eyes, what was got wasnt perfection. hense why he would of had fred do overdubbs

in the end both Directors and musicians are often renowned for being difficult to work with, thou in terms of a battle, the director always wins

Bad Seed wrote:

[QUOTE]Listen to Freddies vocal from 7:28-7:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klaBcaoZeek

[/QUOTE]

Listen carefully from 7:33 to 7:35.  You can hear the original vocal (the one heard on Rock Montreal) underneath.  It's very faint, but it's there.  It's probably from the drum mics picking up the lead vocal in the monitors, so it couldn't be removed.

So it is now undebatable - there are vocal overdubs on the Montreal releases.  And it seems some of the overdubs - but not all - were removed for Rock Montreal.

Bad Seed, please send me an email.  I'd like to properly credit you on my website for your fine work.

Damn, I gotta get Bad Seed into the Queen live Skype debate! If he can uncover dubs like that--imagine a debate!

Sir GH wrote: Bad Seed wrote:

Listen to Freddies vocal from 7:28-7:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klaBcaoZeek

Listen carefully from 7:33 to 7:35.  You can hear the original vocal (the one heard on Rock Montreal) underneath.  It's very faint, but it's there.  It's probably from the drum mics picking up the lead vocal in the monitors, so it couldn't be removed.

So it is now undebatable - there are vocal overdubs on the Montreal releases.  And it seems some of the overdubs - but not all - were removed for Rock Montreal.

Bad Seed, please send me an email.  I'd like to properly credit you on my website for your fine work.

I've been saying this for ages only I used the eample of Tie Your Mother Down, on which you can quite clearly hear two Freddie vocals -- the main one, which is the studio version, and the real one which can be faintly heard underneath..

Have sent you an email Bob, thanks!

As for Skype? Maybe I'll give it a bash someday?

Yeah! It's Skype!

I got a topic in the personal section concerning the debate!

There's also dubs on "Let Me Entertain You"

Compare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYm4HGYqA-U (We Will Rock You)

5:19

TO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-7lSaaVlUI

0:38

I don't know how much spare time you guys have on your hands, but I'm sure you'll find dozens of examples.

What about "come through"?

I've made a compare.

1st you hear is from 2001 DVD We Will Rock You
2nd is Rock Montreal
3rd is Live At The Bowl

We Will Rock You sounds different from Rock Montreal, that's for sure. I assume Rock Montreal has this overdubbed? If so I assume it comes from Milton Keynes, it sounds almost exactly the same but slightly tweaked - in Rock Montreal Freddie goes something like "trouuuuuugha" but in Milton Keynes he doesn't end with an "a" if that makes sense.

Just to clarify: The track where Freddie's original live vocals can be heard underneath the overdubs on Rock Montreal, comes from the audience mic track :)

[QUOTE] [b]jamster1111 wrote:[/b]

You have this all incorrect. There are absolutely no dubs on Montreal. The reason why he may sound different in parts is because they switched nights. You also got it wrong when saying the recording of BR is from the second night. It is from the first night. The only reason why it sounds like it may be an overdub is because the performance is nearly flawless and so spectacular that it could seem to good to be true. However, this is no shock because it was late 1981 and Freddie's voice was known for being in amazing shape then.

Here's a guide to overdubs on Queen concerts:

Rainbow 1974: Overdubs on background vocals on some songs
Hammersmith 1975: No overdubs
Hyde Park 1976: No overdubs
Earls Court 1977: No overdubs
Houston 1977: No overdubs
Live Killers Album: Tons of overdubs on background vocals and even some lead parts
Paris 1979: No overdubs
Tokyo 1979: No overdubs obviously lol :)
Hammersmith 1979: No overdubs
Buenos Aires 1981: No overdubs
Sao Paulo 1981: No overdubs
Caracas 1981: No overdubs
Montreal 1981: No overdubs 
Milton Keynes 1982: The only overdub is on Fat Bottomed Girls on the "locality" line 
Tokorozawa 1982: No overdubs
Rock in Rio 1985: No overdubs
Tokyo 1985: No overdubs
Live Aid: No overdubs
Live At Wembley (More like "Dubbed at Wembley") 1986: Overdubs all over the place. Lead overdubs on songs such as One Vision, A Kind of Magic, Who Wants to Live Forever, I Want to Break Free, Radio Ga Ga,  Friends will be Friends, We Are the Champions
Budapest 1986: Overdub on under pressure on the line "higher higher and high!" at the end of the second verse/chorus[/QUOTE]



Rainbow overdubbed?
For God's sake! announce the full list of overdubs!!