Regarding the "Golders Green Hippodrome" concert

I'm pretty sure that this wasn't broadcast by the BBC in quad - not in 1973 anyway. As far as I know, their first quad broadcast was the Deep Purple concert in May 1974 (mixed and broadcast in June).

Tim

This is what Stark said about his original remastered share:

**This recording was restored by Stark in January 2007 using Har-bal equalisation. Levels between L&R channels were corrected, and a Waves L2 Limiter was used to bring levels back up to the top. No dynamic range was lost. Many thanks to the original uploader. **

I don't think editing like this would affect the phasing too badly if at all

therhyeman wrote:

"I'm pretty sure that this wasn't broadcast by the BBC in quad - not in 1973 anyway. As far as I know, their first quad broadcast was the Deep Purple concert in May 1974 (mixed and broadcast in June)."

Then the question is, how many times was this concert broadcast?  It was broadcast on the radio in Cleveland in March 1975... so... at least once more, anyway.

Perhaps it was recorded in quad with America in mind then, as reading that list King Biscuit and the like were already pioneering quad broadcasting over there.

Meanwhile, it does seem like this was an early attempt by the BBC that went wrong :) At least it solves the mystery as to why Freddie is so quiet. For years I've wondered how the BBC mixing guy could have deliberately mixed him down.

But surely they did a stereo mix as well? Both the quad Deep Purple and Barclay James Harvest concerts (at least) from mid 1974 have been released on CD and sound fine, taken from stereo tapes, as far as I know. Did no one listen to this mix before broadcast??!

Soundfreak wrote:   But it didn't help too much to bring Freddie up to the front. Which probably is impossible as there is too much "room" on his voice. It's like an audience recording from the back row. You can add some EQ but you can't get "nearer"...

Thanks for explaining that, soundfreak.  I thought I was going deaf, as while I can hear the differences in the guitar, Freddie sounds exactly the same to me!!

**This recording was restored by Stark in January 2007 using Har-bal equalisation. Levels between L&R channels were corrected, and a Waves L2 Limiter was used to bring levels back up to the top. No dynamic range was lost. Many thanks to the original uploader. **
I don't think editing like this would affect the phasing too badly if at all

It wouldn't affect too much the phase of each channel, but it would definetely affect the outcome of the channel combination and the decoding of the SQ surround information.

[QUOTE] [b]teddi2002 wrote:[/b]
Hello!Recently I read a web page implying that the queen concert in Golders Green in fact was broadcasted in SQ matrixed quadraphonic sound.[/QUOTE]

No matter how hard I try I cannot find any source for the above. Can you post an address for it?

[QUOTE] [b]OwenSmith wrote:[/b]
No matter how hard I try I cannot find any source for the above. Can you post an address for it?[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, it was quite some time ago, and I did not save the link. I think that I was looking through the website http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/ and in a link from there, I found a list over quadraphonic broadcasts, and I surprisingly found this concert in that list. The source we all have is indeed SQ-encoded, or else the decoding would not affect the material in the way it did.

It's just that I found a picture of the BBC Transcription Disc label for this concert and it doesn't say SQ, whereas some other BBC Transcription Discs clearly do. I guess it depends on how consistent they were with the labelling.

I've been looking on the QQ website but thanks for the tip that I'm looking for a list of broadcasts.

Some of the remastering has badly affected the SQ encoding, the sound field jumps at the remastering cuts. I'm working exclusively from the "Pop Spectacular" rip which while cut is direct sourced from the transcription disc and is giving more consistent SQ decode results.

If you look towards the end of this thread on the Quadraphonic Quad forums:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?13234-SQDecode-Freeware-Software/page2

it seems it is unlikely this concert is SQ encoded. I found the original entry on the list of quad radio shows but there are lots of inaccurate lists. The transcription disc label is definitely stereo.

Also the guy that wrote the Adobe Audition scripts did a decode and says that the result doesn't sound intentional, just stuff naturally out of phase (it happens all the time, otherwise Pro Logic II Music wouldn't ever work).

I think that it sounds very strange that the guitar would just naturally be 90 degrees out of phase, and just decode as well as it does through the SQ-decoding methods. Natural phase shifts are as far as I know not that great, rather a couple of degrees, and never this constant. I think it's more likely that there was a mistake done by someone somewhere at the bbc. Although I could be terribly wrong, this is just my thought.

Well there's certainly one mistake somewhere given how quiet Freddie is in the mix. Another mistake is entirely possible (guitar out of phase, or SQ encoded but never marked as such).