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I agree Brian is technically superior to Page, but it would be surprising if Page is as bad as Funkie says he is, that Brian would consider him one of his early heroes. Same goes with Fred and Robert Plant.

Led Zeppelin made a good noise together. That's basically all I'm interested in.

Well, that and the fact that "heroes" and "herpes" are separated by only one letter in the alphabet.

Ok, I don't know anything about playing guitar.

I really doubt that Brian has stated Page as one of their heroes.. maybe Hendrix, Clapton and firstly Buddy Holly but not Page.. that´s for sure.

Even at one of his soapbox entries he stated that he likes some of Page´s writing but not his playing... Can´t remember the exact words but Brian pointed that Page have turds for fingers..

C´mon, anyone can realize how bad he is... I like some songs (mainly the acoustic ones), but that "drunk-rock-god" and "i-give-a-shit" attitude doesn´t match with the great league of guitarists..

Brian wrote dozens of amazing songs, and he translated that to his producing and his guitar playing beatifully and technically flawless: moods, sound, arrngements, solos... etc etc. He KNOW how to use a guitar and gear.

Page wrote sloppy shit and played sloppy shit. All his life..

If not.. give Page a guitar and make him play the solo from "Flick of the wrist" or "I was born to love you".. and see what happens.

You never hear ANATO being mentioned alongside Dark Side Of The Moon, Led Zep IV etc.  Just because you like Queen more doesn't mean that you can hide the fact that they are not as critically acclaimed as the (other) major bands of the 70s.  funky horsie you are talking out of your funkie holy

I think funky is really Brlan May in disguise.  I really do.......lol.  Brian is one of the best rock guitarists ever, but like the poster above me said, there is a few better.........   sometimes I hear robert plant and he annoy's the hell out of me with that high and winey voice,  but other times he'll impress the hell out of me.     Out of the three bands i mentioned, Zep, the stones and The Who.   I think I like The Who the Best.  Fanastic Band.    The stones were and are overated.

masterstroke_84 wrote: I really doubt that Brian has stated Page as one of their heroes.. maybe Hendrix, Clapton and firstly Buddy Holly but not Page.. that´s for sure.

Even at one of his soapbox entries he stated that he likes some of Page´s writing but not his playing... Can´t remember the exact words but Brian pointed that Page have turds for fingers..

C´mon, anyone can realize how bad he is... I like some songs (mainly the acoustic ones), but that "drunk-rock-god" and "i-give-a-shit" attitude doesn´t match with the great league of guitarists..

Brian wrote dozens of amazing songs, and he translated that to his producing and his guitar playing beatifully and technically flawless: moods, sound, arrngements, solos... etc etc. He KNOW how to use a guitar and gear.

Page wrote sloppy shit and played sloppy shit. All his life..

If not.. give Page a guitar and make him play the solo from "Flick of the wrist" or "I was born to love you".. and see what happens. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Brian May: "I don't think anyone has epitomised riff writing better than Jimmy Page. He's one of the great brains of rock music."
I've read in a few different places how much Brian and Fred were Zeppelin fans. Queen I is basically a Zeppelin clone album.

Being Fred and Brian (and also rog of course) Zep fans doesn´t change the fact that Brian is a way better guitarist... not only because is fingers, he´s also a more intelligent musician. For fucks sake, just take Good Company... Do I need to keep this nonsense argument going??

Maybe Page is a "good" writer of riffs, along with Angus Young or the guys from Metallica (?) but Brian is another world... not only a easy-riff-maker...

Queen (1) a copy of what??. Great king rat, fairy king, liar... hahaha cmon... never can be a copy of Zepp. just because the guitarist in that album knows how to bend notes, and playing the right notes

xD

The obvious influence on queen1 is apparent,  but still sounds nothing like Zep or hendrix.  The Influence is the fact that it's in the same heavy style.    Every band including Zep did that.  Zep took so many idea's from the blues, as did Hendrix.   Not one song from Queen1 sounds like a zep coversong, but you do hear the influence.  Even Innuendo Freddie told Plant  that the song was inspired by Zep.  Even at 45 freddie still looked up to them.  How can we argue with freddie?......i'm not even a big Zep fan,  but i even hear the talent that was in that band.....Overated?....maybe a little, lol.

masterstroke_84 wrote: Being Fred and Brian (and also rog of course) Zep fans doesn´t change the fact that Brian is a way better guitarist... not only because is fingers, he´s also a more intelligent musician. For fucks sake, just take Good Company... Do I need to keep this nonsense argument going??

Maybe Page is a "good" writer of riffs, along with Angus Young or the guys from Metallica (?) but Brian is another world... not only a easy-riff-maker...

Queen (1) a copy of what??. Great king rat, fairy king, liar... hahaha cmon... never can be a copy of Zepp. just because the guitarist in that album knows how to bend notes, and playing the right notes

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Err.. you took issue with my comment that Page was one of Brian's early heroes. You are wrong. Here's another quote from Brian, for you, free of charge: "I'm the world's biggest Led Zeppelin fan. The music, the way they conducted themselves, their whole management structure - they were the blueprint. Queen always used to play "The Immigrant Song" in sound checks just for the glory of the sound."

I have already said I think Brian is a better guitarist than Page. But that doesn't mean there is no merit in Jimmy's playing, as Brian May has acknowledged. Page isn't one of my favourite guitarists: he was so high a lot of the time that he could barely lift his guitar, never mind play it. But when Zeppelin got it right they rocked hard.

Queen 1 is heavily influenced by Led Zep. I thought that was so obvious it didn't need repeating.

paulsmith2001 wrote: You never hear ANATO being mentioned alongside Dark Side Of The Moon, Led Zep IV etc.  Just because you like Queen more doesn't mean that you can hide the fact that they are not as critically acclaimed as the (other) major bands of the 70s.  funky horsie you are talking out of your funkie holy

Well,  Maybe not critically acclaimed like some of these other bands,  but influence they passed a lot of bands of their time, and true music lover's know Queen were right up there with the best.  Maybe we don't see them on the  all time great albums list that often,  but they do appear on best bands of all time lists these days.  The critics would say the top 5 of the beatles, stones, zep, the who, hendrix,  then comes floyd, Queen, the doors, ect, but my own opinion is that  Outside of the beatles (no one beats them) Queen were right up there with anyone, including Zep and the who.  They also kick the stones ass.  Most of these bands were on the same level anyway.

I'm not saying Brian is the best player EVER. Of course there are better guitar players but Brian has a certain quality which is better than being the best: he is very unique.

Arguably the best rock guitar player before Eddie Van Halen, which I do NOT consider better than Brian but you can't stop appreciating how much Eddie Van Halen did for the electric guitar world.


Hendrix kind of represented what an electric guitar player was suppossed to do but he was far from being the best. Not even the best in his own era. Clapton has always had much cleaner and smoother playing, as Jeff Beck also did.

By considering this and how they played the instrument which wasn't really the ultimate guide to electric guitar, I'd say Clapton was arguably the first electric guitar virtuoso. Maybe Gilmour, a few years later.

And I speak in behalf of everyone who knows what a virtuoso is, it has NOOOOTHING to do with playing fast or anything. It means 'someone who masters the technique of his instrument.'

At that time, nobody seemed to do so. Except Eric and some very very few others, which really played some great tunes with great technique. Up to this day, there isn't much you'd change in them, if they had to play them all over again.

And that's something Hendrix never achieved, as he was kind of sloppy.

Steve Howe sure was and still is an amazing guitar player... but he's basically a classical guitar player with an electric guitar. Therefore, NOT THE SAME.
And honestly, when he plays stuff in a more "Van Halen" way, he's not as good as he usually is when he plays his stuff.
I've listened lots of his records and I've seen him live too, I'm not talking out of my ass.


But then Brian showed up and I can assure you, there are some minor flaws in the first records but the overall playing is absolutely brilliant.
He was the real deal back then, absolutely nobody played like that. LET ALONE, mimicking other instruments with the guitar.
To me, if doing so is not "mastering the technique of the instrument", then nothing is.

If he did it, it is possible. If nobody else did or thought about it, then he is an absolute genius because he not only created something new, innovative and interesting, he also perfectly succeeded when he had to perform it.

And there is so much more to his playing than you can imagine, you've GOT to play his licks to understand this. Such attention to detail, control of dynamics, sense of phrasing, lots of variation. He's like the Leonardo da Vinci of the guitar, seriously.
It's not what he plays, it's how he plays it.


He's probably my favourite, the one I enjoy the most listening to but this is not me saying he was the best ever. He sure was one of the very best but there are some other players that are just as incredible as he is, maybe even more or whatever. And all of them in their own way, which makes it much more interesting.


But no, Hendrix wasn't better than him.
Page doesn't even come close.
Seriously.


If you pay just a little attention, you'll see that Page's always attempted to play fast licks and failed at it. Over and over again. For more than 50 years.

Not only Page is an invalid (always behind of such excuses like drinking or drug abuse...)

But also..

Plant ruined Innuendo at the tribute.

DEATH to them!!!!!

hahaha I´m joking..

I am..?

Yea, just like freddie and queen ruined the Immigrant song when they played it in 86......

..we all know if Queen wanted to play that song seriously they´ll do it perfectly.

Brian vs. Page...sure there can be a debate.

But...Roger vs. John Bonham...not a fair fight!

Queen is my favorite band, Zeppelin is 2nd...but Bonham is the greatest rock drummer EVER!